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Originally posted by Tropicana View Post
Quadrille and Maypole are English/ European dances...
I never liked a lot of that ossified fossilised irrelevant sanitised projection of what once was....
Best tradtion dances are ones that evolve....like the Irish and scottish have done preserve and evolve so there is little disconnect between the traditional and the modern....at a local dance cahlid ormatn a wedding in Scotland they will turn off the pop and put on the gay Gordon's. And the DJ will give instructions... Thus preserving ..thendj will ask ifntherenis a dancer and usually in there is a who will do the swords dance .or ..Mari wedding .something that the Scots clans influenced the French in the four corners dance of the quadrille...horse drill
the same thing happens in Spain...at lease in Galicia that i am familiarnwith......
mento was sexually laden the dances were provocative...ask Colin Powell...or read his biographey
Maypole evolved out of a prechristian Saxon/ Germanic / Nordic courting/ harvest ritual, with the centre pole as a phallic symbolism.. So it where blond maidens got the Thoric Hammer or equivalent at midsummers.....of a post rubadub session....and the Christians at one time outlawed it.....
.Quadrille French military drill that the slaves copied ironically....it came to Ja from Hayti....or French islands at the end of the 18th century with refugees
That Rukumbine tune is reminiscent of the soldering and later Dagaring.....look how many dances have evolved in our lives yet seem to have gone and insteadmof incorporating they dismiss the Bogle and the Gully Creeper .. And present the maypole and Quadrille as jamaican tradtion......ut the sans cullotes are the drivers of culture they will always evolve......
That is the blessing of the funeral in Jamaica it combines the past traditions with dance hall and evolves a spontaneous explosions of beautiful art.....kumina meets dance hall...or the Rukumbine rhythm meets Christianity.....fueled by rum, weed and a genetic echo....there culture and art is made.....Last edited by Wahalla; 07-23-2014, 05:12 PM.
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Found this Is it an accurate translation?
What the heck is a san tom pee and for that matter what does Rukumbine mean. I thought it was just some made up word.
Rukumbine
Good morning Mother Cuba
'Ow do you do?
Me ear seh you buy one new pair o' shoes
Me ear seh you buy one new brand hat
Mother Cuba tell me how much you pay for that hat?
Then a Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
I seh Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
Me seh the higher the hill
The greener the grass
The younger the gal
Is the sweeter she kiss
Then a Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
I seh Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
I said, engine a run
With fire and coal,
Look 'pon the gal
With the big nose hole
Then a Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
I seh Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
Girl in a tree
Pick her ackee
Boy underneath
A wash in khaki pants?
Then a Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
I seh Rukumbine in a me san tom pee
Rukumbine
Are these the same words as for the folk melody that sounds so pretty or is it different?
I will have to try and make it out.Last edited by Tropicana; 07-23-2014, 07:54 PM.
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For those in Toronto and area...or planning to attend the festivities this coming LONG weekend...Think SKARIBANA. That's Saturday [Aug 2], 5:00 pm, Harbourfront Centre Studio Theatre. York Quay Centre, 236 Queen's Quay West, Toronto
Prince Buster, Derrick Morgan, Alton Ellis, Stranger Cole, Patsy Todd, Lord Creator, Justin Hinds, Dorreen Shaffer, Roy Wilson, Derrick Harriott, Rico Rodriguez...and...of course...The Skatalites
Direct from the Trinidad and Tobago Film Festival where it was a 2014 Official Selection...also awarded that same Official Selection status at the 2014 On Location: Memphis International Film and Music Fest...it's..."LEGENDS OF SKA"
Q and A to follow with 'The City Slicker'-Herman Sang and the Legendary Jo Jo Bennett among others...
PS...
There will also be a FRIDAY [Aug 1] HAPPY HOUR 'do' at The Pacific Junction Hotel between 5:00 and 8:00pm. That's at 234 King Street EAST. They'll be showing extra 'Legends of Ska' concert footage plus extra scenes not included in the finished movie.
My friend General Moses produced and directed this feature documentation of the Jamaican art form which we all know Grandfathered Reggae Music. Ska Ska Ska.
I remember sitting in the late Karl Mullings' Brampton basement when most of these performers [including Eric 'Monty' Morris] were all over visiting with him during the time-frame when some of the filming was being done behind the scenes and at a live performance up in Toronto. Much of the documented work was done in Jamaica of course...but Karl [who was basically the first manager of the Skatalites and their previous incarnations from different directions] was very instrumental in putting this idea together, gathering the key players, inspiring the investors and making sure that a documents much like the Buena Vista Social Club [Cuban Music and its history] was made for Jamaica's own musical Legends and pioneers. EVERYBODY of note in the Jamaican Music business right up to these days knew and loved Karl. That's why it all came together so seemlessly.
The time has come for YOU to come celebrate some of the greatest music ever made and witness those who made it happen...captured for all time in "LEGENDS OF SKA".
LEGENDSOFSKA.COMLast edited by Reggae plus; 07-24-2014, 12:02 AM.
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Originally posted by Reggae plus View PostFor those in Toronto and area...or planning to attend the festivities this coming LONG weekend...Think SKARIBANA. That's Saturday [Aug 2], 5:00 pm, Harbourfront Centre Studio Theatre. York Quay Centre, 236 Queen's Quay West, Toronto
Prince Buster, Derrick Morgan, Alton Ellis, Stranger Cole, Patsy Todd, Lord Creator, Justin Hinds, Dorreen Shaffer, Roy Wilson, Derrick Harriott, Rico Rodriguez...and...of course...The Skatalites
Direct from the Trinidad and Tobago Film Festival where it was a 2014 Official Selection...also awarded that same Official Selection status at the 2014 On Location: Memphis International Film and Music Fest...it's..."LEGENDS OF SKA"
Q and A to follow with 'The City Slicker'-Herman Sang and the Legendary Jo Jo Bennett among others...
PS...
There will also be a FRIDAY [Aug 1] HAPPY HOUR 'do' at The Pacific Junction Hotel between 5:00 and 8:00pm. That's at 234 King Street EAST. They'll be showing extra 'Legends of Ska' concert footage plus extra scenes not included in the finished movie.
My friend General Moses produced and directed this feature documentation of the Jamaican art form which we all know Grandfathered Reggae Music. Ska Ska Ska.
I remember sitting in the late Karl Mullings' Brampton basement when most of these performers [including Eric 'Monty' Morris] were all over visiting with him during the time-frame when some of the filming was being done behind the scenes and at a live performance up in Toronto. Much of the documented work was done in Jamaica of course...but Karl [who was basically the first manager of the Skatalites and their previous incarnations from different directions] was very instrumental in putting this idea together, gathering the key players, inspiring the investors and making sure that a documents much like the Buena Vista Social Club [Cuban Music and its history] was made for Jamaica's own musical Legends and pioneers. EVERYBODY of note in the Jamaican Music business right up to these days knew and loved Karl. That's why it all came together so seemlessly.
The time has come for YOU to come celebrate some of the greatest music ever made and witness those who made it happen...captured for all time in "LEGENDS OF SKA".
LEGENDSOFSKA.COM
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It's a movie Wahalla. They started filming new material, including a huge concert at The Palais Royale Ballroom in Toronto a dozen years ago. Loads of behind the scenes material...interviews and historic footage as well. It's taken this long to be completed for a variety of valid reasons. The point is...it IS done and is finally being seen and enjoyed. The visual musical history of Jamaica's Jazz soloists and specialists is now officially secured. Thankfully Karl Mullings saw fit to get this project ignited while most of the key people were still alive and performing.
In addition to Rico [and Karl]...several of the main components have long since stepped away... ... ...
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On another note...Don Drummond, Rolando Alphonso, Ernest Ranglin...and maybe Tommy McCook too??? I think so...were considered top 10 Jazz greats around the globe and in important Jazz polls year after year after year. Reggae's 'grandfather' knew what 'he' was doing. [And, in that regard, so too did the Alpha Boys School] Jamaican Ska has a VERY solid and respectable heritage, deserves to be honoured and, at long last, it has actually occured.Last edited by Reggae plus; 07-24-2014, 07:53 AM.
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Bruckins in Jamaica
In Jamaica, Brukins has become associated with celebrations to mark Emancipation, granted to enslaved Africans on the 1st August 1834. The dance is a complex series of movements and sections which is staged begins late at night. The dancers move gradually through a community, adorned in elaborate costumes representing the characters of the British royal court, until morning. There are two groups involved in the Brukins “party” one in red and the other in blue. The dancers represent Kings, Queens, Princes, Captains, Soldiers, Trainbearers and others. There is a contest between the groups and various movements are employed as one side seeks to perform much more elaborate movements or ‘out dance’ the other.
The dance is very long and is punctuated by a series of songs and a Tea-Time, which allows the dancers sufficient time to rest. Usually the songs do not make much sense, but are part of the gimmickry and revelry associated with the contest. During the Tea-Time, ‘bidding’ takes place to raise money for the community. Here, a member of the audience is paid to perform and if it is deemed to be satisfactory then the audience would have to bid for a repeat performance. There is also bidding done for the naming of the ‘Bread’ and the Queen.
The dance movements are derived from the Pavanne, a European court dance of the 15th and 16th centuries which the Europeans adopted from the Italians. This was taken to the Caribbean and observed by the enslaved Africans. True to the notion of creolization, the Africans, added a pronounced slanting of the body, instead of the upright stance as performed by the Europeans.
Today Bruckins can only be found in Portland. The Bruckins dance is no longer performed during Emancipation, but is a staple at Festival competitions and at social events.
Symbols Props includes Crowns and swords The colours used are red and blue Representing the royal court Drums Razzling drum and bass drum
Then how do the vulgar moves that were in the video come into it.
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