Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

[ladytiger031]

alot of people are confused! hip hop and rap are two different thins! 2pac and Big is rap [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] ! Mariah Carey and Alicia Keys are hip hop dont get them twisted there is a difference! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[NapiHead327]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

Hip Hop is an art. Rap is a gimmick.

[NapiHead327]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

Are you serious? Do some research.

Mariah and Alicia Keys ARE NOT Hip Hop. That's like saying Britany Spears is rock.

Hip Hop involves rhyme, not singing! Mariah and Alicia are pop.

Big and 2pac are Hip Hop.

Nelly and the Yin Yang Twins are pop/rap.

[ladytiger031]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

no you need to research pac and big are hard care and street RAP! pop is brittney, jessica and all those other none talent hoes! IM IN THE MUSIC BIZ MY SELF AND I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!keys is more R&B then pop! pop is for people who cant deal with the reality of the real world and that is rap!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ladytiger031]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

and there is singing in hip hop

[ladytiger031]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

and where do u get it that nelly and ying yang are more rap then 2pac at all !dont get it twisted!

[NapiHead327]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

First off, calm down.

Second, you're not the only person who knows about the biz. Ask any TRU HEAD, any BACKPACKER, and breaker, DJ, MC, or tagger, and they will tell you that Mariah Carey IS NOT Hip Hop.

Do you know the basic principles of Hip Hop? Do you know about the Zulu Nation? You cannot tell me that you honestly believe that Nelly and the Yin Yang Twins represent the principles of Hip Hop and its culture.

Raw Hip Hip is rhyming to a break beat. Get hip on the culture.

[NapiHead327]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

Hip Hop 101 Droppin' Knowledge, Preserving The Culture

Junious R. Stanton
February 25, 2003

Attorney, community activist, WHAT 1340 AM talk show host and lover of Hip Hop, Michael Coard is moving full blast with this semester's Hip Hop 101 course in Temple University's Pan-African Studies Community Education Program (PASCEP) on Thursday evenings in the Anderson Hall auditorium. The first session started off with a lecture and rap (pardon the pun) session by a local MC The Last Emperor who regaled the full house with his experiences as part of a eleven man crew who where thick as thieves who supported each other and helped facilitate his development as a writer/MC. But more on The Last Emperor later. Coard originally conceived of the idea of having a course to explain and teach the core principles and elements of Hip Hop when he noticed there were few people of African descent at the local venues featuring Hip Hop artists. Not wanting Hip Hop to go the way of other genres of African-American music, Jazz, Blues, Rhythm and Blues co-opted and corrupted by Euro-American capitalism and benightedness, Coard decided to offer a course about Hip Hop. Over the last few years his course has developed as a venue for aspiring MC's to come and try out their material in front of a aesthetically and culturally critical audience, learn about artistic integrity from people like former Philly radio DJ Lady B, Public Enemy's Chuck D, Poor Righteous Poets and The Last Emperor. Not only is Coard's grass roots class free and open to the public, it remains true to African culture and the spirit of creativity. In fact at one point the banner on the promotional material about the course read, "If you're rhyming for the loot, you are a prostitute." Coard is of the opinion that Hip Hop is a continuation of an eons old tradition dating back into African antiquity as manifested in the Hieroglyphics (Graffiti) Egyptian martial arts and movements which were transplanted to this hemisphere as Capoeria (break dancing), the ancient oral and written traditions of Africa, the Egyptian Scribe and West African Griot (MC and rapper) and of course the drum (the beat).


In his opening remarks The Last Emperor also made the connection between the Egyptian and Olmec First World cultures, today's African and Latino Hip Hop artists and culture. Divulging his given name was the only thing he didn't do. He shared his beginnings in West Philadelphia around 60th and Market St. how he honed his skills to the point he sent a demo tape to Dr Dre on the West Coast and was invited out to meet with him. He shared some of the inner working of the recording business how once he was signed by Dr. Dre and Interscope he languished in the background with several other well known and skilled artists as the label worked to aggressively groom and promote Eminem the Caucasian rapper who has since blown up and taken the industry by storm ala Benny Goodman, Elvis Presley and the Beatles in past generations. The Last Emperor was philosophical about the situation, acknowledging Eminem did have skills and that a person like Eminem was tailor made for this race and color obsessed capitalistic system. Unlike many of the artists promoted by and in the corporate media The Last Emperor is not only a conscious artist/MC with his finger on the pulse of the community whose rhymes reflect his consciousness, he is also articulate, well read, well traveled with an enormous store of information with an astute grasp of the geo-political, psychological and socio-economic dynamics that shape the music industry in general and the Hip Hop community in particular. "I don't think I'd be where I am at right now, even though I'm not where I want to be if it hadn't been for reading and love of learning. Out of all my crew I talked about in my lecture, there are only two of us left. One is in the Army I'm here all the rest are in the penitentiary, deceased or nobody knows where they are. So if it weren't for studying and taking education seriously no matter what I did out in the streets, I wouldn't be here right now." He shared his experiences good and bad with the audience who seemed genuinely in awe of him not because he had a million dollar record deal which he doesn't, but because he is a down to earth, socially conscious brother with integrity and principles. His collaborations with the Literary Lounge, KRS-One and numerous other cutting edge artists has garnered him an avid following. While he doesn't have a record deal he is working on a project that he anticipates will come out in the next few months. "I want to make something clear, a lot of these individuals that place themselves as the faces of these large corporations aren't even the people who are actually pulling the strings many of the times. They are in many instances front men for something larger and in some instances much more sinister. I had a couple of experiences with major labels that didn't work out like Interscope and Rawkus and once I got out of those deals I'm pretty much a free agent now. I guess you could say I support and promote myself." He explained. When asked if he was he planning to work on his own, do his own thing he replied, "Obviously you need the capital to get your own thing off the ground and that's what the larger corporate entity provides. I don't have that sum to do it like I would like to so I'm looking at other options. Some smaller independent labels who allow me the same artistic freedom that I would really like to have without the larger headaches." He shared he wasn't bitter about Eminem's success and didn't think about it until a lot of other people started telling him he got a raw deal. "Me being aware of how capitalism works, I didn't see it in terms of black and white, like they just wanted to take a white rapper and put him over the black rappers and the black rapper had to go to the back of label and so forth and so on. First of all Eminem has skills which is something no other rapper of his hue prior to that had. I never saw it as a black white thing, I saw it as a capitalism thing. What's going to make more capital? We all know black dudes can rap all day and night and are good at it but this is the first time a Caucasian rapper came out that had skills and this took Carte Blanche." He told the audience Dr. Dre told him he would have to wait for a few years while he (Dr Dre) worked on other projects like Eminem. "Some of the other artists felt they got dissed. I wasn't willing to allow my artistic vision to be stifled so we (he and Dr. Dre) parted ways and it was amicable." His free flowing presentation lasted about an hour and fifteen minutes and the ensuing question and answer period pushed the class over its allotted time. University Security had to remind them to clear the room so they could close the building. Even with that folks followed The Last Emperor into the hallway and out of the building seeking autographs, interviews and networking opportunities.


Michael Coard was ecstatic about this semester's first session and the turn out. Coard like all the instructors in PASCEP does it for free. In addition to teaching the course, Coard who is a successful criminal attorney in Philadelphia, goes into his own pocket to cover the expenses to bring in artists and people in the business like Lady B, Poor Righteous Poets, Chuck D and The Last Emperor to speak to and interact with his class. "The goal of this course is to get our people to embrace our own culture." Stated Coard. "The Last Emperor is the greatest ambassador for Hip Hop because not only does he have lyrical skills, he can rhyme. So folks who don't have consciousness hear this guy rhymin' and spittin' and they are attracted to him. But then when they hear it, it's like the worm on the hook, he brings them in with his skills and then he starts talking about Ivan Van Sertima, the Olmec heads and ancient Egypt. it was great.". The class is held Thursdays from 7-9 PM in the Anderson Hall Auditorium on the campus of Temple University in North Philadelphia.

For more information about The Last Emperor visit: www.TheLastEmperor.com

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[NapiHead327]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

Some educational websites:

National Hip Hop Convention Webpage

Mesh Magazine

B-Boys.com

BBoy.com

Zulu Nation

Da Underground

Peace, Sista

[dahjah]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

WOoooo
Naps I see you have tings covered roun here [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[ladytiger031]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

well i put it lik dis! im from the streets and i was raised around rap my holl life!~ and that thing about carey can be droped cuz that aint even all that deepp! but rap deals with tellin how life is on the streets and if u havent lived the streets u wouldnt understand! and dont try to make it seem lik u edacated and i aint cuz that aint even that deep! im smart maybe more street smarts but i now mine! and imma let you think wut u want cuz if u think nelly and ying yang are more rap then 2pac and Biggie then u need some help 4 real!and dont take dis **** to da head!

[NapiHead327]

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Actually, you're right sweetie. Rap deals w/tellin how life is on the streets. HIP HOP involves telling your story w/the purpose of bringing about social change! Rap leaves out the social change element altogether.

And sweetie, I'm not 'trying' to be deep. I'm just saying what I know.

And lastly , sweetie, you're right. I'm gonna continue to believe what I believe and you do the same. And don't worry, I won't be taking any "**** to da head" (in your own words).

Peace and Jah bless!

[ladytiger031]

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alright shorty i'll alwayz have mad luv aiight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HELPHitMi]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

This was a good debate/discussion :-)
I think from what I know, I would have to side with ladytiger.

[elnino]

Re: Wut is da difference between hip hop and rap!!!!!!!!!

my 2 cent:

"hip hop" is a culture & a way of life including turntablism, break dancing, rapping, graffiti, and alot more.

"rap" is a vocal style - rhyming over beats - which is part of hip hop. but it gets confused because not all rap is founded in hip hop. and not all hip hop MUSIC involves rapping.

i've heard this debate a bazillion times & everyone's got a different take... especially nowadays that mainstream radio & television culture has appropriated the term "hip hop" to mean any black pop music and there is a whole new generation growing up without a clue about the roots of hip hop culture.