marley wass natt blakk

[turtledude]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Milo Man*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never thought I'd say this but I agree with Blu on this one.

To the SOME whites man Bob was black as black could be and they thought of him as someone who had a voice for all those who were suffering injustice. To other whites he just wrote catchy tunes (One Heart, One Love... Don't Worry About a Thing etc... etc...) [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif[/img] as many could not tell what in the world he was singing about, only that the tune sounded nice. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/desdentado.gif[/img]

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70384-praying.gif[/img] I pray to all that is Holy that Bob never did a cover of "Don't Worry be Happy". Maybe that song came out after his death. (I hope).

Don't want to diss "the prophet" but it does seem that Bob needed to sell himself as a "wanna be" to at least some extent in order to move the records out of the warehouse.

How bob felt about his "blackness" will never be known fully.

Whatever the truth is, the man was a genius. He was responsible for building more bridges than walls. Was that his intent? I'm not sure.
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bob marley a 'wanna be'... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] he can't win either way...'3 little birds' &amp; he's soft, 'i shot the sherrif' &amp; he's militant...
where do they find you guys?
'don't worry be happy' came out way after bob's passing' &amp; you are at best ignorant for insinuating bob would cover a tune like that and at worse extremely ignorant by stating that no one knows where bob stood on his blackness after songs like 'black survivors', 'war', 'zimbabwe', 'africa unite', burnin' &amp; lootin', etc.
his library is there for all to see...
you make statements that i as a jamaican who has parents who knew marley personally find beyond ridiculous...

read my lips;
bob marley is a legend, a black freedom fighter, &amp; a rasta prophet...
go to africa and ask them and you will see if they considered bob marley a 'wannabe'...
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Bummer, man...two sides of the same coin not agreeing with each other....see what "marketing" can do? ...achieving what would be otherwise be impossible. ahhh. ...the difference between prophet and profit.

[jah_yout]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kingston20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My opinion is that Bob was a man at the end of the day with strenghts and flaws. His music conveyed messages that we in Jamaica are already familiar with through folk songs, proverbs, ratafari, Garvey etc, so we <u>get</u> the play on words and metaphors. One love might have more context in a Jamaica garrison at war in the 1970s but equally lends itself to this belief that we are all one despite color of skin.

Now was he a prophet, I dont know never met a prophet to speak of, but he was very insightful and had business acumen. What we should not do is build him into some deity, supreme being or spiritual messiah. Bob himself would have lashed out against that as he saw how the politicians used that same tactics against the people of Jamaica, I would like to think that Bob was a messenger, who message he was spreading well obviously him born and grow in Jamaica plus he was his own man so it was a combination of both. Bob is not beyound reproach so if Blu want to question whether Bob was blk so be it, no need to try to shut him down or get emotional, no sacred cows in Jamaica, if a man want reason let him reason, mouth mek fi chat. </div></div>


yes king20;
i say prophet because prophets are men, not some mysterious ghost-like humanoid figures who lived thousands of years ago &amp; are written of in scriptures...
but to question whether bob marley was black i find preposterous &amp; revisionist history...

[halfwaytree]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Milo Man*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never thought I'd say this but I agree with Blu on this one.

To the SOME whites man Bob was black as black could be and they thought of him as someone who had a voice for all those who were suffering injustice. To other whites he just wrote catchy tunes (One Heart, One Love... Don't Worry About a Thing etc... etc...) [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif[/img] as many could not tell what in the world he was singing about, only that the tune sounded nice. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/desdentado.gif[/img]

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70384-praying.gif[/img] I pray to all that is Holy that Bob never did a cover of "Don't Worry be Happy". Maybe that song came out after his death. (I hope).

Don't want to diss "the prophet" but it does seem that Bob needed to sell himself as a "wanna be" to at least some extent in order to move the records out of the warehouse.

How bob felt about his "blackness" will never be known fully.

Whatever the truth is, the man was a genius. He was responsible for building more bridges than walls. Was that his intent? I'm not sure.
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bob marley a 'wanna be'... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] he can't win either way...'3 little birds' &amp; he's soft, 'i shot the sherrif' &amp; he's militant...
where do they find you guys?
'don't worry be happy' came out way after bob's passing' &amp; you are at best ignorant for insinuating bob would cover a tune like that and at worse extremely ignorant by stating that no one knows where bob stood on his blackness after songs like 'black survivors', 'war', 'zimbabwe', 'africa unite', burnin' &amp; lootin', etc.
his library is there for all to see...
you make statements that i as a jamaican who has parents who knew marley personally find beyond ridiculous...

read my lips;
bob marley is a legend, a black freedom fighter, &amp; a rasta prophet...
go to africa and ask them and you will see if they considered bob marley a 'wannabe'...
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All true!

But he was also a bizniz man who no doubt wanted to maximize profits. Or is that just another ignorant view of mine. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Milo Man*</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Milo Man*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never thought I'd say this but I agree with Blu on this one.

To the SOME whites man Bob was black as black could be and they thought of him as someone who had a voice for all those who were suffering injustice. To other whites he just wrote catchy tunes (One Heart, One Love... Don't Worry About a Thing etc... etc...) [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif[/img] as many could not tell what in the world he was singing about, only that the tune sounded nice. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/desdentado.gif[/img]

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70384-praying.gif[/img] I pray to all that is Holy that Bob never did a cover of "Don't Worry be Happy". Maybe that song came out after his death. (I hope).

Don't want to diss "the prophet" but it does seem that Bob needed to sell himself as a "wanna be" to at least some extent in order to move the records out of the warehouse.

How bob felt about his "blackness" will never be known fully.

Whatever the truth is, the man was a genius. He was responsible for building more bridges than walls. Was that his intent? I'm not sure.
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bob marley a 'wanna be'... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] he can't win either way...'3 little birds' &amp; he's soft, 'i shot the sherrif' &amp; he's militant...
where do they find you guys?
'don't worry be happy' came out way after bob's passing' &amp; you are at best ignorant for insinuating bob would cover a tune like that and at worse extremely ignorant by stating that no one knows where bob stood on his blackness after songs like 'black survivors', 'war', 'zimbabwe', 'africa unite', burnin' &amp; lootin', etc.
his library is there for all to see...
you make statements that i as a jamaican who has parents who knew marley personally find beyond ridiculous...

read my lips;
bob marley is a legend, a black freedom fighter, &amp; a rasta prophet...
go to africa and ask them and you will see if they considered bob marley a 'wannabe'...
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All true!

But he was also a bizniz man who no doubt wanted to maximize profits. Or is that just another ignorant view of mine. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif[/img] </div></div>


yes he was a good businessman who wanted to expose his music to as many people as possible because he had a message to spread...
&amp; his money helped a lot of poor people in jamaica...don't know if this makes him a 'wannabeeee'...

[Hopyoneson]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kingston20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My opinion is that Bob was a man at the end of the day with strenghts and flaws. His music conveyed messages that we in Jamaica are already familiar with through folk songs, proverbs, ratafari, Garvey etc, so we <u>get</u> the play on words and metaphors. One love might have more context in a Jamaica garrison at war in the 1970s but equally lends itself to this belief that we are all one despite color of skin.

Now was he a prophet, I dont know never met a prophet to speak of, but he was very insightful and had business acumen. What we should not do is build him into some deity, supreme being or spiritual messiah. Bob himself would have lashed out against that as he saw how the politicians used that same tactics against the people of Jamaica, I would like to think that Bob was a messenger, who message he was spreading well obviously him born and grow in Jamaica plus he was his own man so it was a combination of both. Bob is not beyound reproach so if Blu want to question whether Bob was blk so be it, no need to try to shut him down or get emotional, no sacred cows in Jamaica, if a man want reason let him reason, mouth mek fi chat. </div></div>


yes king20;
i say prophet because prophets are men, not some mysterious ghost-like humanoid figures who lived thousands of years ago &amp; are written of in scriptures...
but to question whether bob marley was black i find preposterous &amp; revisionist history... </div></div>

I am not sure in what context Blu was asking the question I have to go back and read it, but I too did stop and think when I was in college and someone on the radio claimed he was not blk, when Bob himself did not want anything to do with his father side when he became rich and famous and visited the UK.

If Blu is implying that Marley is not blk because he slept with some yt women [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70392-silly.gif[/img] I agree that is absurd or even if his father was passing for yt, the man had no choice in that matter. No one can deny that his expience in JA was that of the majority blk during that post colonial time..i.e we belly full but we hungry...now thats a gem when you think about it.

[Hopyoneson]

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yes he was a good businessman who wanted to expose his music to as many people as possible because he had a message to spread...
&amp; his money helped a lot of poor people in jamaica...don't know if this makes him a 'wannabeeee'...
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wannabee how I hear it used is a man pretending to be yt to get over, a selling of the soul so to speak at the expense of his pride and heritage, I dont think that describes Bob Marley at all. No man who was feeding hundreds of people from Hope Road, tried to unite Jamaica and get shot in the process and continue to present blk Jamaicans in a positive light can be accused of this. So far every country I have visited once I say Jamaica there is an instant recognition and smile mostly associated with Bob's music and the message he sent out.

[Bandana]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kingston20</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
yes he was a good businessman who wanted to expose his music to as many people as possible because he had a message to spread...
&amp; his money helped a lot of poor people in jamaica...don't know if this makes him a 'wannabeeee'...
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wannabee how I hear it used is a man pretending to be yt to get over, a selling of the soul so to speak at the expense of his pride and heritage, I dont think that describes Bob Marley at all. No man who was feeding hundreds of people from Hope Road, tried to unite Jamaica and get shot in the process and continue to present blk Jamaicans in a positive light can be accused of this. So far every country I have visited once I say Jamaica there is an instant recognition and smile mostly associated with Bob's music and the message he sent out. </div></div>


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[evanovitch]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quote:

"I don't stand for the black man's side, I don' t stand for the
white man's side. I stand for God's side"


oww marley chat bout imm worship selassie, a blakk god, den chatt nunsense bout imm doan stand fii da blakk side. diss show dat marley did natt knoo immself ann wass raciallee canfused. since marley sey imm doan tand for da blakk man side den dat meen dat imm wass wan miseducated wanneebee mzungu

mii qwestian fii oonnoo was marley blakk? </div></div>

Blu, u eva feel sometimes dat u questions and di discussions u looking fah too esoteric [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img]...but gwane tru... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

[blugiant]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quote:

"I don't stand for the black man's side, I don' t stand for the
white man's side. I stand for God's side"


oww marley chat bout imm worship selassie, a blakk god, den chatt nunsense bout imm doan stand fii da blakk side. diss show dat marley did natt knoo immself ann wass raciallee canfused. since marley sey imm doan tand for da blakk man side den dat meen dat imm wass wan miseducated wanneebee mzungu

mii qwestian fii oonnoo was marley blakk? </div></div>

Blu, u eva feel sometimes dat u questions and di discussions u looking fah too esoteric [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img]...but gwane tru... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] </div></div>

seeeeth deh. peeps luv fii gawn like mii mekk ting upp soo dat y dem cyaan see wat inna dem face. mental slaveree ting

[tsophra]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arjen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blu..so you saying a person's "blackness" is defined by dem political/philosophical beliefs?? </div></div>

blackness iss defined by kulcha ann da social realitee. a latt aff marley philosopical beliefs imm tekk fram garvey butt marley tried fii applii itt inn nan-racial way. garvey chatt bout da secand emacipation da wan aff da mind. marley sing dat wii affii emancipated owa mind fram mental slaveree. tink pon itt diss way da wailer add wan mzungu as dem lead singer singinn marley tune cah dem marketted marley as nan racial </div></div>

kulcha an social reality..? please explain

[blugiant]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turtledude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arjen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blu..so you saying a person's "blackness" is defined by dem political/philosophical beliefs?? </div></div>

blackness iss defined by kulcha ann da <span style="color: #3366FF">social realitee. </span> a latt aff marley philosopical beliefs imm tekk fram garvey butt marley tried fii applii itt inn nan-racial way. garvey chatt bout da secand emacipation da wan aff da mind. marley sing dat wii affii emancipated owa mind fram mental slaveree. tink pon itt diss way da wailer add wan mzungu as dem lead singer singinn marley tune cah dem <span style="color: #3366FF"> marketted</span> marley as nan racial </div></div>

...so his blackness was diluted for money or what? (p.s. some mzungus like revolution music...you wouldn't know it tho, cuz their politics won't kick in until the point where martial law is declared...if u get my drift, an it has nothin to do with race) Vietnam -era "Credence" stuff wasn't supporting any status quo.... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img] </div></div>

yu knoo td mii manee mzungu identifiii widd marley more cah aff ganja smokinn dan di lyric

marley didd sellout fii appeal to mzungu

[blugiant]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arjen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arjen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blu..so you saying a person's "blackness" is defined by dem political/philosophical beliefs?? </div></div>

blackness iss defined by kulcha ann da social realitee. a latt aff marley philosopical beliefs imm tekk fram garvey butt marley tried fii applii itt inn nan-racial way. garvey chatt bout da secand emacipation da wan aff da mind. marley sing dat wii affii emancipated owa mind fram mental slaveree. tink pon itt diss way da wailer add wan mzungu as dem lead singer singinn marley tune cah dem marketted marley as nan racial </div></div>

kulcha an social reality..? please explain </div></div>

look pon race as biologeekal ting. mzungu kulcha use dem societee fii finance ann push racial science fii defend dem racist societee. wen marley chatt bout rasta natt a racial ting imm pushinn da kulcha value aff jamaican society dat chatt bout out maff manee one peeps widd blakks natt runninn ting inn ja. marley wass supportinn ja society based pon nan racial kulcha dat denied da blakk realitee aff da racial arigin aff rasta. still peeps like fii ignore da roots ann realitee aff rasta

[Magician]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

Nice going blue.

I just see you put down Black women in another thread. And here you badmouth Rastas and diss Marley. Making friends all over Boardlane.

I just hope that in your interactions with people in person, you don't repeat any of this online foolishness you promote here. Saka all your friend leff yuh.

[Bandana]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Blu, u eva feel sometimes dat u questions and di discussions u looking fah too esoteric [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img]...but gwane tru... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] </div></div>

esoteric = understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest


Yes, I agree 100% evan, Blu's questions should be only for the select few who have special knowledge or interest in spreading racism [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70456-eyebrows.gif[/img]

Maybe we should get him his own forum for black supremacist posting [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70394-bawlout.gif[/img]

[mountaingal]

Re: marley wass natt blakk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bandanna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[aybe we should get him his own forum for black supremacist posting [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70394-bawlout.gif[/img]

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in what way is this post black supremacist? what does black supremacist mean?