Sexual Sin vs Other Sin

[Tropicana]

The Bible doesn't distinguish. God sees sin as sin.

As a human being though, I must confess I find sexual sin particularly disgusting. When I hear of situations like:

- men getting under age girls pregnant
- men getting girlfriends daughter pregnant
- married men rooksing the maid, nanny, housekeeper or washerwoman right in their own house and getting them pregnant

I am totally disgusted.

When a man has no self-control, to me, he has not moved beyond the level of a dog in heat. A man who walks around permanently horny, drooling, and sniffing at every woman who passes by is disgusting to me.

Women who just are NO bettah!!



So, what say you. Do you see sin as sin or do you see sexual sin as being one of the worst kinds of sin? In some ways, I see it as worse than murder. What about you?

[franksterr]

Technically ( and [old testament] Biblically) Men Cannot sin sexually..... irresponsible.

I really only have a problem with men forcing themselves on women regardless of age, which includes men misusing their authority (which can be ambiguous) and men who seduce underage girls.
What age is underage???? differ from country to country for me 18yrs old
All else is between consenting adults.

[Tropicana]

Technically ( and [old testament] Biblically) Men Cannot sin sexually..... irresponsible.

Chapter and verse.

I really only have a problem with men forcing themselves on women regardless of age, which includes men misusing their authority (which can be ambiguous) and men who seduce underage girls.

What age is underage???? differ from country to country for me 18yrs old
All else is between consenting adults.

I would say anything up to 21 is underage if there is a big gap in age between the man and the woman.

[franksterr]

Chapter and verse.

Too many to quote.....lets Just say that all the Patriarchs and Kings of the bible who represented God's righteousness had many wives and concubines.
Concubines are the old word for mistress, ones unmarried sex partner - sex slave.

I would say anything up to 21 is underage if there is a big gap in age between the man and the woman.

Well bear in Mind that God gave Mary a Child when she was younger than 14yrs of age, outside of wedlock, whilst she was betroth (engage) to another.
That's 2yrs beyond the traditional requirement of Jewish law.....which is the culture Mary belong to.

[Tropicana]

The fact that some of the Patriach's engaged in sexual sin does not make it right. The Bible is VERY clear.

"Thou shalt not commit adultery", one of the Ten Commandments, is found at Exodus 20:14 of the Tanach

Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 184 helpful votes

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 ESV

For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 ESV

Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

1 Corinthians 7:2 ESV

But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:8-9 ESV / 77 helpful votes

To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Matthew 5:28 ESV / 65 helpful votes

But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Colossians 3:5 ESV / 47 helpful votes

Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

1 Corinthians 6:13 ESV / 39 helpful votes

“Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

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1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV / 32 helpful votes

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 7:1-5 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 6:18 ESV / 21 helpful votes

Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 21 helpful votes

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Jude 1:7 ESV / 20 helpful votes

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Mark 7:20-23 ESV / 20 helpful votes

And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Galatians 5:19 ESV / 16 helpful votes

Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,

1 Corinthians 6:15-17 ESV

Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.

Acts 15:20 ESV

But should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Mary's age was never stated in the Bible. God did not have sex with Mary.

[Tropicana]

Proverbs has too man verses against sexual immorality to post:

http://stronginfaith.org/proverbs.php?tag=76

[franksterr]

The fact that some of the Patriach's engaged in sexual sin does not make it right. The Bible is VERY clear.

Hence the reason why I said it was not a sin.......Technically.
Whether right or wrong it is common and accepted practice to which God it would seemed turned a blind eye.
Most of these actions were done with the tacit approval of God and the implicit approval of their Mates. Almost half of the 12 tribes of Israel are offspring of such unions. Both the children and their fathers where blessed before and after these acts where committed.
Secondly my reactions are strictly limited to the old testament...at this time.

Mary's age was never stated in the Bible. God did not have sex with Mary.

It is accepted that she was not yet 14 yrs of age..anyway 12 yrs is the customary accept minimum age of marriage.
In those days and still to this day (excluding romantic so called love)most men marry so as to insure their wife's offspring is of their seed.....If it is of another that is adultery.....the vessel (woman's womb) has been adulterated - corrupted.
The reason why adultery is a sin was to preserve paternity....line of succession, carry on the seed or name.


They following story should be informative, particular verse 9 - 10 in which god Slew Onan not for having sex with Tamar but for withdrawing his seed (sperm) - coitus interruptus.
In verse 24 - 26, Tamar was about to be burned for adultery having been found pregnant without a husband, neither did God condemn Judah for impregnating her whilst not being married to her - she was found to be righteous.....WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ADULTERY?


Genesis 38.

38 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.
2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.
4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan.
5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him.
6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.
11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.
12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite.
13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep.
14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.
15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.
16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it?
18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him.
19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.
20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not.
21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place.
22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place.
23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.
24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.
26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.
28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.
29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.
30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.

[franksterr]

Proverbs has too man verses against sexual immorality to post:

http://stronginfaith.org/proverbs.php?tag=76

Thus saith the man who has a 1000 concubines and wives.

[SKYJUICE221]

Genesis 38.

38 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.
2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.

So him just took d people dem daughter.
Kidnapping and sexual battery pon d people dem
daughter.

[franksterr]

Genesis 38.

38 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.
2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.

So him just took d people dem daughter.
Kidnapping and sexual battery pon d people dem
daughter.

It was the Law of God that a maiden who is neither married or betroth is fair game for sex so longs as you are willing to marry her, especially if she becomes pregnant.....hence Solomon's many wives.
Failing that you are both likely to be stoned or burnt

[Tropicana]

The Bible is very open and honest about sin. It discusses sin and its consequences very plainly so that we can ALL learn lessons from the mistakes of others. That in no way shape or form is condoning sin.

Whether right or wrong it is common and accepted practice to which God it would seemed turned a blind eye.

Absolutely not. It was NOT condoned. Sin was a common then as it is now I guess. People experienced consequences for their sin over and over again. Seems some are deliberately ignoring the lessons and using the fact that others sinned to justify their own shortcomings.

What did they teach you guys in Bible Knowledge class anyway? The basics seem to be REALLY missing.

[Tropicana]

This is well worth reading the WHOLE thing. Seems the basics are no longer covered.

- 4 Sexual Sins Every Christian Should AvoidExcessive sexual sin and nakedness is one of the marks of our Western culture and much of the world today. Everything is sensual. Everything must be sexy. We live in a sex-crazed world, and nakedness jumps out at us from everywhere. It is becoming more and more difficult for men and women to keep themselves in a state of moral purity.
Sexual sin and neglecting the laws of purity in the body of Christ is one of the elements that can potentially bring weakness, sickness, and even premature death to many in the Church. It is one forgotten aspect of not discerning the Lord's body (1 Cor. 11:29-31).
Those last statements sound so primitive in today's contemporary church. There is a lack of ministry from pastors in this area because of the fear of forthcoming accusations of being unloving, judgmental, legalistic, and ministering guilt and condemnation. Frankly, we've lost our way in this regard. Correction, rebuke and reproof are clearly missing from our counsel in these new crooked days of false comfort and unscriptural mercy.
Today, as I said, we are considered condemning and judgmental if we minister in such a manner. Yet it is common for many to get in a healing line and seek deliverance, or submit prayer requests while living in gross immorality without any earnest desire for genuine repentance. Those who practice sexual sin, or any other sin for that matter, and profess Christ, are partaking of the body of the Lord unworthily; and in doing so they are receiving a curse rather than a blessing.
"For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep" (1 Cor. 11:29-31).
I realize that sexual temptations are great, no one is exempt from them, and none should boast of their self-righteousness. I'm also aware that in seeking to turn someone from the error of their ways we must do so in gentleness and humility (Gal. 6:1; 2 Tim. 2:25). But if there is to be victory in this area, it must begin with a reverent understanding and a scriptural estimation of the defiling and degrading nature of sexual sin and its terrible dangers. Before people obey God, they must be thoroughly awakened. Only then will they overcome counteracting forces.
Carefully read these words of one of America's greatest evangelists, Charles G. Finney:
"Worldly desires, appetites, and feelings prevent true Christianity—the human will is, in a sense, enslaved by fleshly and worldly desires. It is therefore necessary for God to awaken people to a sense of guilt and danger and thus produce an opposite excitement or feeling and desire. This counter-feeling breaks the power of worldly desire and leaves the will free to obey God."
That ideology, my friends, is clearly absent from the mainstream of contemporary Christianity, yet it is so sorely needed.
As in modern-day America, sexual sin and nakedness were celebrated in the city of Corinth too and was infiltrating into the church there. Thus Paul had to remind the Corinthian saints that their bodies were now the temples of God and not their own. Their bodies, as ours, are now members of Christ, so a sin against our bodies is a sin against Christ.
"Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's" (1 Cor. 6:15, 19-20).

Nakedness
As far back as the Mosaic books we find some interesting references to sexual immorality and nakedness.

• The first recorded human curse was over nakedness (Gen 9:20-23).
• Nearly two entire chapters along with many other references were a code of ethics on nakedness and sexual immorality (See Lev. 18 and 20).
• Exposed genitalia or nakedness were common in Canaanite demonic worship. Instructions and prohibitions to Moses were so Israel's altars would not be like the Canaanites' (Ex. 28:41-43; 20:26).
• When Moses returned from the mountain, Aaron had lost control of the people as they worshiped a golden calf, "unrestrained" (Ex. 32:25), as the New King James says it. The Old King James says "naked," and the Living Bible says "committing adultery." And all this happened shortly after a move of God.

One of the keys to overcoming sexual sin lies in the meditation of the Word of God concerning it. This will nurture the fear of the Lord in you. For example, in Gal. 5:19-21 the works of the flesh are divided into four basic categories

• 1) sexual sins,
• 2) sins connected with pagan religion and the occult,
  
• 3) sins of the temper,
  
• 4) sins of drunkenness.
  

It is interesting that sexual sin is listed first, not only here, but also in several other scriptural references in the New Testament.

• Romans 1:24, 6:19 – Uncleanness is singled out.
• 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 – Sexual sins listed first.
• Galatians 5:19-21 – Sexual sins listed first.
• Ephesians 4:19 – Lewdness and uncleanness singled out.
• Ephesians 5:3 – Fornication and uncleanness singled out; let it not once be named among you.
• Colossians 3:5 – Fornication and uncleanness listed first.
• 1 Thessalonians 4:3 – Sexual immorality singled out in our walk of sanctification.
• 1 Peter 4:3 – Lewdness listed first from our past life.
  

More to come..

[Tropicana]

There are at least four primary sexual sins the Word of God speaks of: adultery, fornication, uncleanness and lewdness.
Here are the definitions of these four sexual sins:

• 1. Adultery: Unlawful sexual intercourse involving at least one married person. Adultery is incompatible with the harmonious laws of family life in God's kingdom, and is under God's judgment since it violates God's original purpose.
• 2. Fornication: Pornography, illicit sexual intercourse including prostitution, whoredom, incest, pre-marital sex, licentiousness (lack of moral restraint), and habitual immorality (would include sexual fantasies that lead to masturbation).
• 3. Uncleanness: Often refers to homosexuality and lesbianism
• 4. Lewdness: unashamed indecency, unbridled lust, unrestrained depravity (a disposition or settled tendency to evil, the innate corruption of unregenerate man), the person with this characteristic has an insolent defiance of public opinion, sinning in broad daylight with arrogance and contempt. Again, this often refers to sexual sin.

Here's where many people err in their understanding of their sexuality. Notice the following verses.


"Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power" (1 Cor. 6:13-14).
Paul is correcting the dangerous misconception among the Corinthians who believed, "as the stomach is designed for food, the genitals are created for sexual experience." This mind-set is not only common among unregenerate human beings but also among Christians who justify sexual immorality. Paul shows how this analogy is false because your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost and belongs to Christ.
Eating food is a secondary and temporal arrangement, but sexuality reaches into the eternal and metaphysical depths of one's being. An essential identity exists between the present physical body and the future glorified body (v 14). Sexual intercourse is more than a biological experience; it involves a communion of life. Since Jesus is one with the born-again believer's spirit, it is unthinkable to involve Him with immorality; thus the strong admonition not to let the sin of fornication and all uncleanness "even be named among you" (Eph. 5:3; emphasis added).
Sexuality is a uniquely profound aspect of the personality involving one's entire being. Sexual immorality has far-reaching effects, with great spiritual significance and social implications (v18). Such immorality is not only a sin against the body but against the Holy Spirit, who dwells in the body. It is one of the ways we are to discern the Lord's body, which when consistently neglected, as I stated earlier, often brings weakness, sickness, and even premature death.
Regardless of how satisfying and fulfilling sex is in its rightful place within the marriage, it is still a temporal arrangement and not a part of our eternal existence. And yet by it we procreate and give birth to eternal spirits. Sexual immorality messes with the power of procreation with someone to whom you are not married. The sexual drive is not sinful, but it is hurtful if not kept in its proper place. Scripture forbids sexual immorality in order to protect you.
Politicians, businesses, schools and our public institutions are not qualified to handle the subject of sexual immorality and deviate sex problems we have in our culture. They are a part of the problem, not the solution. Sadly though, the church has fallen so short of addressing this problem from a strong scriptural perspective. Some churches no longer even believe what the Bible says about sexual immorality is pertinent. One high-ranking church official said that the church is going to have to come to an understanding of homosexuality according to the changing culture. That is one of the biggest problems in the church today. Many of us are conforming to the standards of the culture around us.
Another well-known charismatic television preacher told his audience that homosexuality is not sin but brokenness. "What do you think David and Jonathan were doing? What do you think Ruth and Naomi were doing?" implying that they were involved in homosexual and lesbian relationships. I had to shake my head at that one. And yet this preacher is considered one of the greatest preachers in America with a very large following. It turns out that one of his own children is a homosexual. Although this is a very crushing trial for any godly parent to have to face, one cannot be loyal to his family at the expense of betraying God's holy Word.
When influential preachers say erroneous things like that, it opens the door for deception and compromise among masses of people who respect these preachers. This will lead to a flood of evil, immorality, and all kinds of perversion among the hearers of such.
It is sad to see the dilution of sound doctrine in much of the church today. It is grievous to the Holy Spirit to see such cowardice and compromise among preachers who have either departed from the true faith or who are afraid to teach sound doctrine in the area of sexual morality. As a result, our children and young people are getting educated by the reprobate minds of the world.

Let the preachers of righteousness speak up with strength and conviction, for the time is here when many are not enduring sound doctrine, but with itching ears are heaping up teachers unto themselves.

Source: http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/...n-should-avoid

[franksterr]

The Bible is very open and honest about sin. It discusses sin and its consequences very plainly so that we can ALL learn lessons from the mistakes of others. That in no way shape or form is condoning sin.

Yeah but you have not answered why Judah and Tamar was not punished for adultery yet Onan was slain by God for spilling his seed?
Why God commands thou shall not kill yet.... God and his people kill often?
Why God or His Angel(Gabriel) impregnated (had sexual intercourse with) Mary?
Why Jesus CONDONE the woman Caught in Adultery?
Why many of the Patriarchs had concubines to whom they were not married?

I would say someone does not comprehend the scriptures.

Absolutely not. It was NOT condoned. Sin was a common then as it is now I guess. People experienced consequences for their sin over and over again. Seems some are deliberately ignoring the lessons and using the fact that others sinned to justify their own shortcomings.

What did they teach you guys in Bible Knowledge class anyway? The basics seem to be REALLY missing.

I is Rasta, and Overstand what you Understand.......Comprehend

[Tropicana]

They were punished...read your bible. The dysfunction in David's family was due to his own sexual sin.