Amen...are Christians worshipping a hiddden God ?

[jah_yout]

Re: Amen...are Christians worshipping a hiddden God ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unbeknown-ed to them!!
Nearly all Christian prayers are ended with the word Amen, most of their songs and hymns are also....it is almost like an address but to whom or what?
What really does the word Amen means?
What is the history of this word?

Whats in a word, many it is said are saved just by the name Jesus Christ, when you call out a name, you are addressing your attention and intention to the owner of that name. </div></div>


yea &quot;Amen&quot; is from the egyptian god Amen-Ra...
a lot of the pharaohss had 'amen'[ in their name- like tut-ank-<span style="font-weight: bold">amen</span>

also &quot;moses&quot; was also a title meaning &quot;son of&quot;...a lot of pharaohs also had 'moses' in their names... like ra-<span style="font-weight: bold">meses</span>...

[franksterr]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr Witchy can't find what he wants on th 'Net (proof) - but he points out that any good scholar knows that because the word &quot;amen&quot;/&quot;amin&quot;/&quot;omin&quot; is the same in Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, and Syriac, it obviously predates the break of these languages from the older mother language.</div></div>

Could that mother language be Egyptian??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hebrew - amen (ah-men)
Arabic - amin (ah-meen)
Syriac - amin (ah-meen)
Aramaic - omin (oh-meen)

Find the definition of the word &quot;amen&quot; here .

Scroll down to &quot;Etymology&quot; on this page for some substantiation of the above info. on the etymology of th word being Hebrew in origin.

I don't know where to find info on the other languages that is in English for you. You don't read Arabic or Syriac, do you? I know you don't read Hebrew or Aramaic.

The root word (in Hebrew letters) is aleph-mem-nun.


It is entirely possible - we shall never know - that the words &quot;amen&quot; and &quot;Amon&quot; (as in Amon-Ra) were homonyms. We do not know because the languages were written without vowels. &quot;Amen' was written as alph-nun-mem in Hebrew. &quot;Amon&quot; was written beginning with the Arabic letter yodh (also the same Hebrew letter yud). This proves that they were two different words. You can find this onthis page, under &quot;Etymology&quot;... the second to last and the last sentences of that paragraph. After all, &quot;pair&quot; and &quot;pare&quot; and &quot;pear&quot; all sound the same - they are homonyms - but they each have entirely different meanings from the other words. </div></div>




I do not normally use Wiki, but since you seem to accept its info here I go.
The name <span style="color: #FF0000">aleph</span> is derived from the West Semitic word for &quot;ox&quot;, and the shape of the letter derives from a <span style="font-weight: bold">Proto-Sinaitic glyph based on a hieroglyph</span> depicting an ox's head,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph

<span style="color: #FF0000">Nun</span> (Hebrew: &amp;#1504 is thought to have come from a pictogram of a snake (the Hebrew word for snake, nachash begins with a Nun and snake in Aramaic is nun) or eel. Some have hypothesized a hieroglyph of a fish in water for its origin (in Arabic, n&amp;#363;n means large fish or whale). <span style="font-weight: bold">The Phoenician letter was named n&amp;#363;n &quot;fish&quot;, but the glyph has been suggested to descend from a hypothetical Proto-Canaanite na&amp;#7717;š &quot;snake&quot;, based on the name in Ethiopic, ultimately from a hieroglyph representing a snake,</span>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nun_(letter)

The above is to show that word origin is Egyptian wether it be Aleph or yodh.

Very intriguing please view

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_khX6-iQieQ

Press for time will respond again with more info and responses to your above post by the wk end......thanks for the pleasure you are giving me, I do hope you are experiencing the same

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr Witchy can't find what he wants on th 'Net (proof) - but he points out that any good scholar knows that because the word &quot;amen&quot;/&quot;amin&quot;/&quot;omin&quot; is the same in Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, and Syriac, it obviously predates the break of these languages from the older mother language.</div></div>

Could that mother language be Egyptian??

</div></div> [/quote]
No. The older Semitic mother language Mr Witchy is referring to predates Egyptian, as well.

You're almost putting the cart ahead of the horse, franksterr. lol

Spoken Egyptian is close enough to modern Arabic that they are fairly mutually understandable... much like Portuguese and Spanish. It's just that the Egyptians use their pictures (hieroglyphics) rather than Arabic letters... but the sounds were - for the most part - the same.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I do not normally use Wiki, but since you seem to accept its info here I go.</div></div>
I too usually avoid Wiki... as it's so often wrong. but sometimes it's got correct info. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I just scour any Wiki page carefully before using it or linking to it as &quot;proof&quot;.

As to the rest of what you said... like I just said above - no. You haven't got the right language to start off with.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
thanks for the pleasure you are giving me, I do hope you are experiencing the same
</div></div>
Not really. I don't take pleasure in teaching people what I already know to be right. I'm no teacher; I'm a piddle-poor educator. dwl I never understand why others fail to grasp what I know is fact. If I think it's simple to 'get', I think everybody should easily 'get' it. I'm a rotten proselytizer, aren't I?

See me knocking at your door... &quot;Hello, Mister Franksterr? Are you churched, sir? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST?!! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT HE IS THE ONLY PATH TO SALVATION?! HOW CAN YOU NOT BELIEVE??? A LITTLE CHILD ... &quot;
Nah. I'm not cut out for that kind of work. That sort of thing isn't among my gifts. dwl

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen...are Christians worshipping a hiddden God ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If &quot;Amen&quot; means &quot;so be it&quot; in Hebrew what then is &quot;&quot;She'y'h'ye &quot;&quot;? </div></div>

That ^ isn't a word as you transliterated it. You aren't using standard transliteration, and I don't recognize what you wrote as a word.

Drop the transliteration - you don't possess the skills for it, apparently.
Drop using the vowels - you may not be using the correct vowels anyhow. Post just the consonants of the word.
Just spell out the individual Hebrew letters (consonants only).
And remember to read the Hebrew word &quot;backwards&quot;. (ie - from right to left, not from left to right)

I'm not coming up with a word shin-yud-hay-yud... did you mean shin-hay-yud (meaning &quot;so it is&quot?

[jah_yout]

Re: Amen...are Christians worshipping a hiddden God ?

hebrew predates the ancient kemetic (egyptian) language?

i don't think so...
ancient kemetic language is not related to modern day arabic...arabs are later arrivals to the area and the arabic culture &amp; language is not a descendant of ancient kemet...

the hebrews are only recorded in the bible as being 70 in number to enter egypt...yet hundreds of thousands to leave egypt; they basically became a coherent people in egypt and it could be expected that they adapted to the culture that was already there- including terms &amp; language

in any case ancient nile valley civilization- nubia, egypt, etc civilization predates hebrew civilization and the god amen is more ancient than hebrew scriptures

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen...are Christians worshipping a hiddden God ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
hebrew predates the ancient kemetic (egyptian) language?</div></div>
No. Ancient Egyptian is older than Hebrew. But both are semitic languages.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ancient kemetic language is not related to modern day arabic...arabs are later arrivals to the area and the arabic culture &amp; language is not a descendant of ancient kemet...</div></div>
That's correct.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the hebrews are only recorded in the bible as being 70 in number to enter egypt...yet hundreds of thousands to leave egypt; they basically became a coherent people in egypt and it could be expected that they adapted to the culture that was already there- including terms &amp; language </div></div>
You're confusing several things as related which are not related.

First - the seventy people you're referring to who, in the bible, entered Egypt aren't all of the Hebrews of that time; they are only one family that a story is being told about. The bible does not mention anything about other Hebrews who may have entered Egypt around the same time. It is reasonable to expect that, given the events of that time ('the day'), more Hebrews besides that one family entered Egypt. The bible does not tell us that all of the Hebrews who left Egypt at the Exodus were Joseph's descendants... if they had been, the bible would have said so, to make the point, it being germane to the story.

The Hebrews already were &quot;a coherent people&quot; when they entered Egypt. And they left Egypt te same way. The biblical proof is that the Hebrews <span style="font-weight: bold">did not</span>, in fact, assimilate into Egyptian culture: <span style="font-weight: bold">Psalm 114:1</span>, which reads &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">When Israel came out of Egypt, Jacob from a people of foreign tongue,</span>&quot; Egypt was a place of &quot;people of a foreign tongue&quot;; <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">the Hebrews still spoke Hebrew, they didn't speak Egyptian</span></span>. And Jewish liturgy (prayers), which dates to the Exodus and the period of time immediately after, all make reference to 'God having delivered [us, the Jews] from a nation of foreigners' and 'from bondage to people of a foreign tongue'.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
in any case ancient nile valley civilization- nubia, egypt, etc civilization predates hebrew civilization and the god amen is more ancient than hebrew scriptures </div></div>
The god Amun predates the written scriptures, but not the Hebrews' culture. The culture of the Jews was old, their history long, before anybody bothered to write anything down. Furthermore, the Jews came from a different part of the world than Egypt and their god Amun; the Hebrew culture was already fully in existence before they came in contact with the Egyptians and heard of the god named Amun.

[jah_yout]

Re: Amen...are Christians worshipping a hiddden God ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hebrews already were &quot;a coherent people&quot; when they entered Egypt. And they left Egypt te same way. The biblical proof is that the Hebrews <span style="font-weight: bold">did not</span>, in fact, assimilate into Egyptian culture: <span style="font-weight: bold">Psalm 114:1</span>, which reads &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">When Israel came out of Egypt, Jacob from a people of foreign tongue,</span>&quot; Egypt was a place of &quot;people of a foreign tongue&quot;; <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">the Hebrews still spoke Hebrew, they didn't speak Egyptian</span></span>. And Jewish liturgy (prayers), which dates to the Exodus and the period of time immediately after, all make reference to 'God having delivered [us, the Jews] from a nation of foreigners' and 'from bondage to people of a foreign tongue'.

</div></div>


so in the setting of the book of exodus,, were the hebrews bi-lingual?
because moses obviously passed as an egyptian but later communicated with the hebrews...and obviously egypt &amp; israel are neighboring lands

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen...are Christians worshipping a hiddden God ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
so in the setting of the book of exodus,, were the hebrews bi-lingual?
because moses obviously passed as an egyptian but later communicated with the hebrews...and obviously egypt &amp; israel are neighboring lands </div></div>
Most of the Jews (the average John or Jane Doe Hebrew) were not bilingual; they spoke Hebrew. Some of them probably learned Egyptian as a second language and were bilingual. Moses was raised in the Pharaoh's Court, so yes, he was definitely bilingual. Virtually none of the Egyptians spoke Hebrew; they had no reason to learn it.

[franksterr]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr Witchy can't find what he wants on th 'Net (proof) - but he points out that any good scholar knows that because the word &quot;amen&quot;/&quot;amin&quot;/&quot;omin&quot; is the same in Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, and Syriac, it obviously predates the break of these languages from the older mother language.</div></div>

Could that mother language be Egyptian??

</div></div> </div></div>
No. The older Semitic mother language Mr Witchy is referring to predates Egyptian, as well.[/quote]

What language is this????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're almost putting the cart ahead of the horse, franksterr. lol</div></div>

How so??

I have used wiki to show that both words are derived from ancient Egyptian.

Spoken Egyptian is close enough to modern Arabic that they are fairly mutually understandable... much like Portuguese and Spanish. It's just that the Egyptians use their pictures (hieroglyphics) rather than Arabic letters... but the sounds were - for the most part - the same. [/quote]

I do not believe that modern Arabic is close to ancient Egyptian

The rabbinic sites below alludes to the fact that Amen - means GOD is a faithful king....To me that lends support to the idea that the word is coming from the Egyptian word Amun who is a God.

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=12774&amp;pgnum=359

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pagefeed/hebrewbooks_org_12774_359.pdf

http://www.chesedclub.com/Tora-Study/Print-List.php?postID=743

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

Those aren't &quot;rabbinical&quot; sites. Just as in Protestant Christianity, where just anybody can get an online bogus degree and set himself or herself up as a &quot;pastor&quot; (and sometimes this happens), it happens occasionally in Reform and in Reconstructionist Judaism, too. If you want to know something in general about Judaism, use an Orthodox Jewish source.

&quot;Amen&quot; does not mean anything about &quot;God&quot; nor about &quot;king&quot;. The Jews use the letters YHWH for writing &quot;God&quot; and do not speak it at all, and the Hebrew word for &quot;king&quot; is &quot;melech&quot;. I already told you - repeatedly, now - what &quot;amen&quot; means.


Since you, franksterr, refuse to listen to what I tell you <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> you refuse to gain formal education in this, and since, as I told you already, I am no teacher and lack the patience to teach stubborn people... try reading these to in-depth articles for yourself.

I keep referring to &quot;an earlier Semitic language that predates all of the Semitic languages that you would know about, including ancient Egyptian&quot;. You and jah yout keep asking for the name of said language. If said proto-Semitic language had a name, I'd've used it's name. It's simply called <span style="font-weight: bold">Proto-Semitic</span>. You two are going to have to content yourselves with that because that is what it's called. Period. End of discussion. It's <span style="font-weight: bold">Proto-Semitic</span>. It predates ancient Egyptian, and by quite a lot of time too. Just accept it. Unnu <span style="font-style: italic">do not know</span> more than all of the world's linguistics experts.

This page is a short article discussing Bronze Age origin of the Semitic languages.

This page is a slightly longer article discussing Proto-Semitic language and has an actual Semitic Languages Family Tree that proves the veracity of my statements regarding Semitic languages within this thread.

Educate yourselves, because the both of you are getting on my last nerve... and for no good reason. I already know the truth about the language issues within this thread. I don't know why I'm subjecting myself to this much aggravation. I get nothing out of this but a lot of aggravation! I sincerely hope that you two at least learn something for all of my distress. I'd really hate to suffer for naught!



I need to go calm down with a cup of something soothing. Some herbal flowers from my garden, maybe. Chamomile. Lemon verbena. Mints. Or do I need something a little stronger? whew

[franksterr]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those aren't &quot;rabbinical&quot; sites. Just as in Protestant Christianity, where just anybody can get an online bogus degree and set himself or herself up as a &quot;pastor&quot; (and sometimes this happens), it happens occasionally in Reform and in Reconstructionist Judaism, too. If you want to know something in general about Judaism, use an Orthodox Jewish source.</div></div>

Yet you are the one who quote wiki??
So you are saying, that those protestants Christians are fakes with bogus degrees?

http://www.jewishpathways.com/files/Answering_Amen.pdf

http://www.mizrachi.org/elearning/kitzur.asp?id=729

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0006_0_05892.html

Are those sites any better?

If not here is your site - wiki has to say..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">The Talmudic Sages therefore mandated that one must answer amen at the completion of a blessing outside of the Temple, comparable to the barukh shem that was used in the Holy Temple.[8] However, while &quot;barukh shem is an expression of praise and honour, amen is an affirmation of belief.&quot;[9]<span style="color: #FF0000"> The Talmud teaches that the word Amen is an acronym for &amp;#1488;&amp;#1500; &amp;#1502;&amp;#1500;&amp;#1498; &amp;#1504;&amp;#1488;&amp;#1502;&amp;#1503; (’El melekh ne’eman, &quot;God, trustworthy King.&quot;</span>)[10] The word amen itself is etymologically related to the Hebrew word emunah (&amp;#1488;&amp;#1502;&amp;#1493;&amp;#1504;&amp; #1492;, &quot;faith&quot asserting that one is affirming the fundamental beliefs of Judaism.[11]</span></div></div>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berakhah

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;Amen&quot; does not mean anything about &quot;God&quot; nor about &quot;king&quot;. The Jews use the letters YHWH for writing &quot;God&quot; and do not speak it at all, and the Hebrew word for &quot;king&quot; is &quot;melech&quot;. I already told you - repeatedly, now - what &quot;amen&quot; means.</div></div>

Is there only one word for God in Hebrew??
If you had read my posts you would have seen wherein &quot;melech&quot; is stated as meaning king. It is part of the acrostic AMN.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since you, franksterr, refuse to listen to what I tell you <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> you refuse to gain formal education in this, and since, as I told you already, I am no teacher and lack the patience to teach stubborn people... try reading these to in-depth articles for yourself.</div></div>

Far from it I am no expert, never pretended to be such, all I am doing is questioning the prevailing conventional ideas propagated by experts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I keep referring to &quot;an earlier Semitic language that predates all of the Semitic languages that you would know about, including ancient Egyptian&quot;. You and jah yout keep asking for the name of said language. If said proto-Semitic language had a name, I'd've used it's name. It's simply called <span style="font-weight: bold">Proto-Semitic</span>. You two are going to have to content yourselves with that because that is what it's called. Period. End of discussion. It's <span style="font-weight: bold">Proto-Semitic</span>. It predates ancient Egyptian, and by quite a lot of time too. Just accept it. Unnu <span style="font-style: italic">do not know</span> more than all of the world's linguistics experts.
</div></div>

Could it be Afroasiatic??
Here it states from your source that all Semitic languages are derived from afroasiatic.
I wonder if ancient Egyptian is also Afroasiatic?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-size: 14pt">Lacking closely related non-Semitic languages to serve as out-groups in our phylogeny, we cannot estimate when or where<span style="font-weight: bold"> the ancestor </span>of all Semitic languages diverged from<span style="font-weight: bold"> Afroasiatic</span></span>.</span></div></div>
This page is a short article discussing Bronze Age origin of the Semitic languages.

“<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Semites emigrated from the Africa side off the Red Sea anyway and exported year African language to Asia where they puts Asians</span> (...). This is only logical way to account for the presence off year African branch in A places where it is surrounded by unrelated languages. (...) It would make direction to changes the name off the [afroasiatic] group to something like Ethiopic gold Ethio-Chadic.[8] </span>

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/frwiki/en/Langues_afro-asiatiques#cite_note-4

Biblical Hebrew was not used until after the Exodus.....from henceforth they were called Israelites after their Hebrew patriarch Jacob/Israel.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hebrew belongs to the Canaanite group of the Northwestern Semitic or Afro–Asiatic family of languages. During its long history (which follows the historical course of the Jewish people), it has undergone diverse changes and has developed several different layers, from biblical Hebrew to modern Israeli Hebrew.
Biblical Hebrew (BH) is believed to have crystallized over 3,000 years ago, when the Israelite tribes coalesced into a homogeneous political unit under the monarchy in Jerusalem (eleventh–tenth centuries b.c.e.). It emerged as a fully formed literary language whose poetic grandeur is attested by the oldest portions of the Bible, written about that time.</div></div>

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hebrew_language.aspx

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This page is a slightly longer article discussing Proto-Semitic language and has an actual Semitic Languages Family Tree that proves the veracity of my statements regarding Semitic languages within this thread.

Educate yourselves, because the both of you are getting on my last nerve... and for no good reason. I already know the truth about the language issues within this thread. I don't know why I'm subjecting myself to this much aggravation. I get nothing out of this but a lot of aggravation! I sincerely hope that you two at least learn something for all of my distress. I'd really hate to suffer for naught!</div></div>

I have learned......proto-Semitic has been long considered to have originated in Africa but is just now being challenged, what is not in question is the shared ancestry of ancient Egyptian and proto-Semitic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need to go calm down with a cup of something soothing. Some herbal flowers from my garden, maybe. Chamomile. Lemon verbena. Mints. Or do I need something a little stronger? whew </div></div>

Sounds like the thing to do after a fun time researching....for something a would suggest some mild indica

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is there only one word for God in Hebrew??</div></div>
No. There are several... Adonai, Elohim, El Shaddai, El - come to mind.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Could it be Afroasiatic??</div></div>
Nope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here it states from your source that all Semitic languages are derived from afroasiatic.
I wonder if ancient Egyptian is also Afroasiatic?</div></div>
Ancient Egyptian <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a Semitic language.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I have learned......proto-Semitic has been long considered to have originated in Africa but is just now being challenged, what is not in question is the shared ancestry of ancient Egyptian and proto-Semitic.</div></div>
No. Once again, you've got it backwards.

A <span style="font-style: italic">shared ancestry</span> means, by definition, that both languages <span style="font-style: italic">share a common ancestor</span>, not that one is the ancestor of the other,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds like the thing to do after a fun time researching....for something a would suggest some mild indica </div></div>
I'm too strait-laced for that ^. My homemade vodka, straight out of the freezer, will relax me. It's 151-proof, wheat-free, and smoooooooooooth.

I'd offer you some, but my experience is that only Russians (and other Eastern Europeans) can drink it. Other people crawl up in a fetal ball underneath the table. dwl We Russians drink it while philosophizing... usually all night long.

[franksterr]

Re: Amen - a Hebrew word

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is there only one word for God in Hebrew??</div></div>
No. There are several... Adonai, Elohim, El Shaddai, El - come to mind.[/quote]

Good that is as I thought and AMEN is also one.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Could it be Afroasiatic??
Nope.</div></div>

Quoting wiki
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Semitic family is a member of the larger Afroasiatic family, all of whose other five or more branches are based in Africa. <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">Largely for this reason, the ancestors of Proto-Semitic speakers are believed by many to have first arrived in the Middle East from Africa,</span></span> possibly as part of the operation of the Saharan pump, around the late Neolithic</div></div>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here it states from your source that all Semitic languages are derived from afroasiatic.
I wonder if ancient Egyptian is also Afroasiatic?
Ancient Egyptian <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a Semitic language.</div></div>

No it is not, it is a member of the Afroasiatic family of languages from which the proto-Semitic languages sprang.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I have learned......proto-Semitic has been long considered to have originated in Africa but is just now being challenged, what is not in question is the shared ancestry of ancient Egyptian and proto-Semitic
No. Once again, you've got it backwards.</div></div>

How so?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A <span style="font-style: italic">shared ancestry</span> means, by definition, that both languages <span style="font-style: italic">share a common ancestor</span>, not that one is the ancestor of the other,</div></div>

Yes with ancient Egyptian being a member of the parent or ancestral stock whilst Semitc being a descendant or offshoot.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds like the thing to do after a fun time researching....for something a would suggest some mild indica
I'm too strait-laced for that ^. My homemade vodka, straight out of the freezer, will relax me. It's 151-proof, wheat-free, and smoooooooooooth.

I'd offer you some, but my experience is that only Russians (and other Eastern Europeans) can drink it. Other people crawl up in a fetal ball underneath the table. dwl We Russians drink it while philosophizing... usually all night long. </div></div>

Yeah I will stick to the Good ole High Grade.