Zoroastrianism influence on Judaism, Christianity and Islam

**freedom-man** · 11-09-2013, 04:12 PM

There is no devil in Judaism and never was. The term "devil" doesn't exist in the Old Testament. The term Satan appears 13 times in the Old Testament mainly in Job and in every case as a servant of God. But the late post-exile Zechariah 3:2 says, "And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?" This is as close to conflict as they come. The term Lucifer1 (light bearer?) occurs only in Isaiah 14:12, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" and I see nothing confrontational in this.

The New Testament is another matter. Satan appears 34 times while devil appears 57 times both used in the same context. No doubt Christianity is dualistic just like Zoroastrianism. Judaism did produce two dualistic cults: the apocalyptic sect that gave us the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Gnostics that gave us many of the Nag Hammadi Gospels. Gnosticism was brooding, angry belief system that saw the world and flesh as evil and sought to destroy it to bring on some Kingdom of God in one form or another. Christianity for the most part evolved from these, in particular Apostles John and Paul.

It is also said John the Baptist (a cousin of Jesus?) was influenced by these Zoroastrian influenced end-times cults such as those that left writings such as the Dead Sea Scrolls. John was an enormous influence on Jesus.

The devil (Ahriman) was an evil spirit in Zoroastrianism and some claim that by the third century B.C., Zoroaster's monotheism was replaced with dualism in some areas. Manicheans developed from the Gnostic teachings of Mani, who taught that the flesh is evil and the spirit is good. He advocated denying the flesh to free the spirit and had an influence on early Christian saints in particular St. Augustine. Augustine was the father of Protestantism.

**Tropicana** · 11-09-2013, 04:18 PM

Oh no not you too.

**freedom-man** · 11-09-2013, 04:49 PM

more bad news for Father Richard Ho and the Jamaican Churches. Jamaicans reading this will be curious to do more research on the origins of Christianity. Richard and company are powerless to stop the natural curiosity of young people

Who Was Abraham?

http://www.hermetics.org/Abraham2.html

Abraham, Kashmir, India, Judaism, Islam, Bible, religion, Surya, Sarai, Brahman, Hinduism, Chaldean

In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)

Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim.They traced their religious books to Abraham, who was believed to have brought them from heaven." (p. 16.)

There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect.

In Hindu mythology, Sarai-Svati is Brahm's sister. The bible gives two stories of Abraham. In this first version, Abraham told Pharaoh that he was lying when he introduced Sarai as his sister. In the second version, he also told the king of Gerar that Sarai was really his sister. However, when the king scolded him for lying, Abraham said that Sarai was in reality both his wife and his sister! "...and yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." (Genesis 20:12.)

But the anomalies don't end here. In India, a tributary of the river Saraisvati is Ghaggar. Another tributary of the same river is Hakra. According to Jewish traditions, Hagar was Sarai's maidservant; the Moslems say she was an Egyptian princess. Notice the similarities of Ghaggar, Hakra and Hagar.

The bible also states that Ishmael, son of Hagar, and his descendants lived in India. "...Ishmael breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kin... They dwelt from Havilah (India), by Shur, which is close to Egypt, all the way to Asshur." (Genesis 25:17-18.) It is an interesting fact that the names of Isaac and Ishmael are derive from Sanskrit: (Hebrew) Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew) Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."

A third mini-version of the Abraham story turns him into another "Noah." We know that a flood drove Abraham out of India. "...Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor; and they served other gods. And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan." (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Genesis 25 mentions some descendants of his concubine Ketura (Note: The Moslems claim that Ketura is another name of Hagar.): Jokshan; Sheba; Dedan; Epher. Some descendants of Noah were Joktan, Sheba, Dedan, and Ophir. These varying versions have caused me to suspect that the writers of the bible were trying to unite several different branches of Judaism.

About 1900 BC, the cult of Brahm was carried to the Middle and Near East by several different Indian groups after a severe rainfall and earthquake tore Northern India apart, even changing the courses of the Indus and Saraisvati rivers. The classical geographer Strabo tells us just how nearly complete the abandonment of Northwestern India was. "Aristobolus says that when he was sent upon a certain mission in India, he saw a country of more than a thousand cities, together with villages, that had been deserted because the Indus had abandoned its proper bed." (Strabo's Geography, XV.I.19.)

"The drying up of the Sarasvati around 1900 BCE, which led to a major relocation of the population centered around in the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys, could have been the event that caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece." (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p.14)

Indian historian Kuttikhat Purushothama Chon believes that Abraham was driven out of India. He states that the Aryans, unable to defeat the Asuras (The mercantile caste that once ruled in the Indus Valley or Harappans) spent so many years fighting covertly against the Asuras, such as destroying their huge system of irrigation lakes, causing destructive flooding, that Abraham and his kindred just gave up and marched to West Asia. (See Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism.) Therefore, besides being driven out of Northern India by floods, the Aryans also forced Indian merchants, artisans, and educated classes to flee to West Asia.

Who Was Abraham?

http://www.hermetics.org/Abraham2.html

Abraham, Kashmir, India, Judaism, Islam, Bible, religion, Surya, Sarai, Brahman, Hinduism, Chaldean

**Tropicana** · 11-09-2013, 05:23 PM

It is fascinating how easily Jamaican men who have drunk the Koolaid will believe unsubstantiated urban legends, myths and fables yet reject the truth of the Bible.

**freedom-man** · 11-09-2013, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Tropicana View Post

It is fascinating how easily Jamaican men who have drunk the Koolaid will believe unsubstantiated urban legends, myths and fables yet reject the truth of the Bible.

what is stopping you from doing research on comparative religions?

**Tropicana** · 11-09-2013, 08:52 PM

I did that YEARS ago nothing is stopping me. I thoroughly researched the Bible and other faiths. What White people have done to Black people is not consistent with Biblical teachings so I wish you and others on here would stop misleading people. The people who committed these atrocities were not Christians. Even today the majority of Europeans are not Christians.

**freedom-man** · 11-09-2013, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Tropicana View Post

I did that YEARS ago nothing is stopping me. I thoroughly researched the Bible and other faiths. What White people have done to Black people is not consistent with Biblical teachings so I wish you and others on here would stop misleading people. The people who committed these atrocities were not Christians. Even today the majority of Europeans are not Christians.

yes you only read Christian apologist websites. that's not researching that's confirmation bias

saying they are not christians is cop out and a logical fallacy (no true scotsman) they all believe in the same God, bible and Jesus just like you.

what white people did to blacks is consistent with biblical teachings

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

me misleading people? so telling people especially children they are born sinful and deserved eternal torture due the actions of a couple in a garden. telling people they need to give up their free will and personal responsibilities to accept the death of an innocent preacher which NOBODY asked for in order to be "saved" from eternal torture is not?. and if they don't believe they will suffer eternal torture is not misleading people?

but telling history and the origins of Christianity and pointing out the beliefs which are similar to ancient Egyptian, Babylonian,Persian and Indian religions is misleading logic and Christianity(and religion in gerneral) is like oil and water.

"The idea of a complete and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the beginning, that is from Apostolic times, has no foundation in history. The Canon of the New Testament, like that of the Old, is the result of a development, of a process at once stimulated by disputes with doubters, both within and without the Church, and retarded by certain obscurities and natural hesitations, and which did not reach its final term until the dogmatic definition of the Tridentine Council."

- Catholic Encyclopedia

Horus was called "Iusa/Iao/Iesu/Iusha" the "KRST," with Iusha even contributing to the name of Jesus which in Hebrew of course is Yeshua (Iusha). In the Old Testament, it is Joshua (Iusha) son of Jacob.

Horus became born of the virgin Isis-Meri (Mary) on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

He was of royal descent.

At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.

He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

Horus walked on water.

His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

He came to fulfill the Law.

Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."

Horus's principal enemy was "Set" (biblical Seth) or "Sata" (Satan) Set represents the Serpent of the Night. Horus is the Golden Sun (Son) it becomes the struggle between day and night for supremacy.

Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."

**Emperah** · 11-10-2013, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Tropicana View Post

It is fascinating how easily Jamaican men who have drunk the Koolaid will believe unsubstantiated urban legends, myths and fables yet reject the truth of the Bible.

we all drank the same koolaid in the beginning. Some still drink it and run for more, others choose to grow and use the mind God has given us instead of the mind given to us by the oppressor.
You've been hearing the same message all your life. If your child kept hearing the same message in school every year, all when him inna grade 10 they still feeding him a grade 4 program you would be pist, yet you accept from the church who treat the ppl like fools.

**Tropicana** · 11-10-2013, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Emperah View Post

we all drank the same koolaid in the beginning. Some still drink it and run for more, others choose to grow and use the mind God has given us instead of the mind given to us by the oppressor.

You've been hearing the same message all your life. If your child kept hearing the same message in school every year, all when him inna grade 10 they still feeding him a grade 4 program you would be pist, yet you accept from the church who treat the ppl like fools.

Not accurate at all but we have debated this so many times. The only thing I would like to know is why so many Jamaican men and men of Jamaican heritage seem to have drunk the same Koolaid. It couldn't be what you are taught a boys schools as you went to school in Canada. There must be an explanation other than onoo desired lifestyle noh fit the teachings of the church....or maybe that's it.

Would love to have Diplomat weigh in on this.

**Tropicana** · 11-10-2013, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by freedom-man View Post

first you need to check a dictionary before using a word you clearly don't know the meaning of

brain·wash·ing noun \ˈbrān-ˌwȯ-shiŋ, -ˌwä-\

Definition of BRAINWASHING
1
: a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2
: persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship

religion thrives on forced indoctrination of Children into your religion called Christianity

this is why they burn libraries and books when they take over the Roman Empire and the European Continent.

Force takes many shapes and forms. Clearly that is what has gone on or so many Jamaican men wouldn't be quick to believe every urban myth, legend and fable out there and reject the truth of the gospel.

I am definitely going to dig into this deeper.

**freedom-man** · 11-10-2013, 05:33 PM

[Force takes many shapes and forms. Clearly that is what has gone on or so many Jamaican men wouldn't be quick to believe every urban myth, legend and fable out there and reject the truth of the gospel.]

an example of force is telling children they are worthless, sinful and immoral without a man called jesus, an example of force is schools voilating the Jamaican Constitution Chapter 21 by forcing school children to have mandatory devotions and worship sermons:

(1) Except with his own consent, no person shall be hindered in the enjoyment of his freedom of conscience, and for the purposes of this section the said freedom includes freedom of thought and of religion, freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others, and both in public and in private, to manifest and propagate his religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

(2) Except with his own consent (or, if he is a minor, the consent of his parent or guardian), no person attending any place of education shall be required to receive religious instruction or to take part in or attend any religious ceremony or observance if that instruction, ceremony or observance relates to a religion or a religious body or denomination other than his own.

comparative religion research is historical and archaeological facts unlike your gospel truth which are written at least 40 years after the event of Jesus, not written by eyewitnesses, by unknown authors and have names like Matthew, Mark Luke and John added to the Later. speaking of the Gospel of Mark do you know that Mark 16:9-20 was not in the Original Manuscripts. in large think NIV bibles it has a foot note sayng the exact same thing. why is the gospel truth as you called it have verses and stuff NOT in the original versions. the gospels are nothing more than copies of copies and copies and translations of translations. when translating stuff over and over the original meaning is lost.

don't take my word for it Read Books by New Testament scholar Bart Erhman. read another book called "Who Wrote the New Testament" copies are available in the Toronto Public Library System. if they don't have a particular book you can do an inter library loan.

[I am definitely going to dig into this deeper.]

yes continue in your confirmation bias by only reading Christian apologetics i I am sure many Jamaicans ike myself would like to know more instead of allowing Richard Ho and company tell them what to think, what to believe, what to read using threats of eternal punishment

Jamaican churches will not the tell the people that many of the Books in the New Testament are forgeries or pseudepigraphs which are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is represented by a separate author; or a work, "whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.

and read Forgery in Christianity: A Documented Record of the Foundations of the Christian Religion by Joseph Wheless

**Emperah** · 11-10-2013, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Tropicana View Post

Force takes many shapes and forms. Clearly that is what has gone on or so many Jamaican men wouldn't be quick to believe every urban myth, legend and fable out there and reject the truth of the gospel.

I am definitely going to dig into this deeper.

out of anyone mi kno (and I thought a few a mi chuch anties were bad) you have de tickest blinders on anywhere JAH kno.

You have nvr reseached anyting pan James Stewart de chi chi man
Nvr done research on de council of Nicea, council of Ephesus, council of Chalcedon, council of Trent, council of Constantinople or probably any of the Ecumenical councils yet you bleev u have the full hundred an a chat foolishness bout odda ppl who have drank koolaid or bleev inna some urban myth. And mi nuh get de Jamaican men ting, it is more den Jamaican men, blk men are waking up all ova de place and getting their own mind back which was stolen from the oppressor.
It is you who a hold on pan de urban myth.

How de devil can you call on diplomat to splain what a gwaan with those who have left what unno believe in when it is not his paradigm?

**Emperah** · 11-10-2013, 10:24 PM

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**Tropicana** · 11-10-2013, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Emperah View Post

out of anyone mi kno (and I thought a few a mi chuch anties were bad) you have de tickest blinders on anywhere JAH kno.

You have nvr reseached anyting pan James Stewart de chi chi man
Nvr done research on de council of Nicea, council of Ephesus, council of Chalcedon, council of Trent, council of Constantinople or probably any of the Ecumenical councils yet you bleev u have the full hundred an a chat foolishness bout odda ppl who have drank koolaid or bleev inna some urban myth. And mi nuh get de Jamaican men ting, it is more den Jamaican men, blk men are waking up all ova de place and getting their own mind back which was stolen from the oppressor.
It is you who a hold on pan de urban myth.

How de devil can you call on diplomat to splain what a gwaan with those who have left what unno believe in when it is not his paradigm?

No you are willing to believe any myth or fable but reject the truth of the gose.

I have researched everything fully and have never had a drop of Koolaid.

You don't get the Jamaican man ting.

This is a Jamaican site isn't it? The men on here who are rejecting Christ and embracing urban legends are Jamaican or are you now saying that you aren't Jamaican. After all you were born and raised in Canada.

That's cool I covered you with men of Jamaican heritage.

Are there even any African American men on this site...African American men vs men of Jamaican heritage? I don't think there is even one so why would I address them? There used to be a couple of African men on here but I have not seen them in years so again why would I address them? Would that make sense?

Zoroastrianism influence on Judaism, Christianity and Islam

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