Do not say the "O" word in my class..

[ILP]

Re: Do not say the "O" word in my class..

basically,

While her speech was idiotic, very insensitive as it probably hurt the kid's feelings (who was just trying to share his civic escapades with his friend). Her speech is not illegal and is therefore protected under the 1st Amendment (by way of the 14th Amendment). As long as she did not add, "vote for Sarah Palin, she is better!" to what she said and her outbursts are not a regular occurrence then the principal is better telling her to watch it and leave it at that.

Now he can ask her to apologize for hurting the kid's feelings, but all he can do is ask. She can refuse if she wishes and if her refusal isnt accepted and anything happens as a result of that (ie. she is further reprimanded or she is fired) then she has the right to seek legal recourse.

Before you ask: ILP aren't those Amendments you quoted about religion? Yes, but test cases as it relates to gov'ts (schools and its employees fall in this category) as it relates to religion and politrixx are covered under the same amendments.

<span style="font-size: 8pt">now mi mad cah mi coulda get .5 pts on mi exam last week if mi did juss write dis. </span>

[kia027]

Re: Do not say the &quot;O&quot; word in my class..

I don't think the kids feelings were hurt or a matter but it was the fact that she clearly made an overt statement of her political views to intimidate the class.

Given the teachers speech is protected via the constitution, would this same protection also extend to the students?

[ILP]

Re: Do not say the &quot;O&quot; word in my class..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think the kids feelings were hurt or a matter but it was the fact that she clearly made an overt statement of her political views to intimidate the class.

Given the teachers speech is protected via the constitution, would this same protection also extend to the students? </div></div>

Her statement is being received that way from someone who wasn't in the class. She could argue her statement was an off handed way of saying no political discussions period in my classroom. She could say the kid misinterpreted her statements. Her speech may be offensive to some on the other hand be applauded by others, which is why govn'ts (schools) are just told to say nothing period...what she said isn't prohibited, but the hassle isn't worth it.

Now as far as the students are concerned, while they do have the same constitutional freedoms as the teacher. Govnt (in this case the school) can do more to prohibit student speech.

Govn'ts (schools and its employes) are held to the Sherbert or Lemon Tests. Students are held to Tinker, Massey and Hazlewood cases. School are closed non-public forums and therefore can prohibit student expression (dress, speech, religion, etc.) in non-instructional times (as in recess, lunch).

Currently schools are encroaching on the &quot;non instructional time&quot; thingy because they are now citing pressures about zero-tolerance and security as the reason. The day is coming when these &quot;new&quot; policies get challenged in the Supreme Court, but it hasn't yet, so the prohibition continues.

[kia027]

Re: Do not say the &quot;O&quot; word in my class..

so far .......

Parent spoke to principal on the phone
The principal was very upset at hearing the comment the teacher made. Principal stated the teacher's comment is like saying the word 'Obama' is a profanity!

Principal thanked the parent for sharing the info and will have a talk with the teacher

[Nunya]

Re: Do not say the &quot;O&quot; word in my class..

So we know what, if anything, will come of this, I guess...

[kia027]

Re: Do not say the &quot;O&quot; word in my class..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So we know what, if anything, will come of this, I guess... </div></div>

So far no differential treatment in the classroom yesterday so either she was not yet spoken to by the principal or figured it was a silly thing to say and has moved on...

Will wait and see...

The school budget is being cut significantly and affects the subject this teacher teaches so who knows

[ILP]

Re: Do not say the &quot;O&quot; word in my class..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So we know what, if anything, will come of this, I guess... </div></div>

So far no <span style="font-weight: bold">differential treatment in the classroom yesterday</span> so either she was not yet spoken to by the principal or figured it was a silly thing to say and has moved on...

Will wait and see...

The school budget is being cut significantly and affects the subject this teacher teaches so who knows </div></div>

it would be unprofessional of the teacher to come in to the class and act as if she had been &quot;spoken to&quot;...unless her behavior was more than what was originally stated. also, the principal can no longer speak about the teacher to the &quot;public&quot; (as in the parent(s) that brought the issue to his attention), it would be a violation of her privacy. Employers are not allowed to discuss an employee's personnel issues with the persons other than the employee with out prior consent.

hopefully, everyone has just moved on...well until the budget axe falls. i'm sure the school would have to get her employment elsewhere? maybe not in the building, but at another location?

[kia027]

Re: Do not say the &quot;O&quot; word in my class..

I am pretty sure everyone has moved on from the incident.


the budget cuts are statewide and school district wide

So far anyone with less than 3 yrs in the school district has received notices, which sadly includes good teachers who brought a breath of fresh air into the school system.