myth-shortage of black men

[Skelly]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..jus know dat me personally nuh see none dat pass fi mi litmus test... </div></div>

dem fole di towel di wrong way? </div></div>eehee an use di wrong fabric sawfener to!

[RichD]

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[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..jus know dat me personally nuh see none dat pass fi mi litmus test... </div></div>

dem fole di towel di wrong way? </div></div>

stappeeth

yu dunn kno skellee ave issues widd blakk men cah shi luv de downgrade </div></div> interestingly enough the downgrade upgraded me </div></div>

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Surveys data from 2000 to 2009 shows that among black women 35 and older, the percentage that have never been married drops to 25 percent</span>
If there is no shortage of men why do 25% of Black women never get married. That is a large number.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Why more and more intelligent women are being forced to 'marry down' and find a less-educated man as females win out at work and school</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Surveys data from 2000 to 2009 shows that among black women 35 and older, the percentage that have never been married drops to 25 percent</span></div></div>

If there is no shortage of men why do 25% of Black women never get married. That is a large number.

Check this out too:

This is a problem for Black and White women but it is much worse for Black women.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Successful women will have to ‘marry down’ by choosing partners less qualified than them – and may increasingly select men based on how supportive they might be to their careers, rather than whether they can support them financially.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">In America, 70 per cent of black women have no husband and there are twice as many black women as black men with university degrees.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Many educated British women believe there is already a dearth of traditional husbands.</span>

Claire Davis, 33, who works in financial services and lives in south London, told The Times: 'I have a good job, my own flat and I can pretty much do what I want, but a lot of the men I meet aren't really of the right calibre.
'If I look at the friends I went to university with, the men don't tend to be doing as well as the women.'
According to the latest figures, 50 per cent of women are graduating from university compared to only 40 per cent of men.
Speaking to Dermot Murnaghan on Sky News, Mr Willetts said the trend may lead to a change in household living.
He said: 'There is now a rather striking gap if we look at the statistics, where it looks as if approximately 50 per cent of women are graduating from university by the time they are 30 and perhaps about 40 per cent of men.
'This is where the sociologists step in and people think through the implications of that but we have got a gap in educational performance here that goes all the way through our schools and universities, and I want to see an improvement in educational opportunities for men and women because it does look as if the challenge we particularly face in our society at the moment is that the boys are lagging behind the girl
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...l#ixzz1uEXRazvg </div></div>

de argument bout de shortage aff blakk men use oyinbo marriage rate as de tandards bye witch dem judginn blakk marriage rate. iff de rate aff blakk marriage iss natt dat much diffarant fram oyinbo den de shortage aff blakk men argument iss flawed. given de averse ann diffarant kultural ann socio -ecyaanyaminn canditions blakk peeps face fe use oyinbo marriage rate as de norm iss bout creatinn disunitee among blakks. dat y yuh ave sum eediats tellinn blakk oomen fe date more men aff addar race dat will lead to even lower marriage rate among blakk oomen.

y yuh tink blakk oomen marryinn wen dem oldar inn comparrassion to oyinbo oomen?

tropi ar yu equatinn intelligence widd more education? cah a latt aff more educated oomen nuh ave common sense cah dem miseducated ann doan know itt, mental slaveree ting. mii wukk widd sum aff dem ann dat y dem cyaan identifii widd blakk yuths cah feel dem superior. yuh reallee nuh tink sinting wrang wen supposedlee successfull oomen seyinn dem waan a man fe financiallee support dem. y wood a equallee successful intelligent educated man waan successful oomen wey dem affii support. iff dem soo successfull, y dem cyaan mind demselves? imagine fram 2000 to 2009 wen eecaanyamee gitt badd de percentage aff never been married blakk oomen drap. wat caused dem so called successful independent blakk oomen fe lower dem xxpectation. bet yuh dem needed a man fe share de xxpense.

tropi cansidar diss blakk oomen ave more education dan blakk men yet de average salary aff blakk men iigha dan de average salary aff blakk oomen. educated blakk oomen ave more debt even iff dem mekkinn more money soo oww dem marryinn dunn iff dem salary iss x ann dem xxpense iss y butt dem need less-educated man fe mekk ends meet. wat a ting dat educated blakk oomen wey &quot;marry dunn&quot; usuallee ave more disposable income, everee m...... mekk a m.... common sense ting dat. lang thyme mii doan doo wan aff dem blakk oomen outta cantrol spendinn tredd

de 70 parcent aff blakk oomen nuh ave husband include widow, divorcees, teenagers, single oomen widd four ar more yuths fe four diffarant men, mzungu playtings, lesbians, nuns, etc soo dat figure misleadinn

twice as manee blakk oomen widd degrees meen blakk oomen ave a latt more debt. de sexist miseducation system iss geared more toward miseducatinn more blakk oomen dan blakk men cah oomen easier fe deal widd.

ow sum blakk oomen mistaken beeleefs affect dem chance aff gittinn married? iff a latt blakk oomen beeleeved dat more dan likelee dem will neva marry dat wood xxplain y sum aff dem ave yuths widd men woo ave trailor load aff gals ann yuths. oww cood blakk oomen chatt bout traditional blakk husband wen de traditional blakk husband iss a myth. oww blakk oomen tink affect oww dem behave ann de myth aff de shortage aff blakk men beecum a self fulfillinn profeecees dat ave negative consequences

[blugiant]

Re: myth-shortage of black men

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..jus know dat me personally nuh see none dat pass fi mi litmus test... </div></div>

dem fole di towel di wrong way? </div></div>

stappeeth

yu dunn kno skellee ave issues widd blakk men cah shi luv de downgrade </div></div> interestingly enough the downgrade upgraded me </div></div>

wat a ting

soo yu mekk more widd less dat y mii respekk blakk oomen

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he ratio of Black men to women is somewhere around 87 to 100 black women. Subtract the high school dropouts, gay Black men, Black men that date White women exclusively, guys under around 5’8, and who do you have to compete with? Maybe 30, 40 other guys per every 100 Black women. Those odds are about as sweet as Carl Winslow.</div></div> this makes me laff

so dem have all kinda category to disqualify di man dem but all 100% of the woman fully &quot;qualified&quot;? </div></div>

diss mekk mii laff

yuh miss de joke. de rumour iss dat actor wey played carl winslow funnee

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yuh reallee nuh tink sinting wrang wen supposedlee successfull oomen seyinn dem waan a man fe financiallee support dem. </div></div>

Why not? If blondes can sit at home sip tea and play tennis at the club when they're board, why shouldn't we be able to do the same thing.

Some financial support would set me up nicely right about now. I am EXHAUSTED from years of hard work.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> iff dem soo successfull, y dem cyaan mind demselves? imagine fram 2000 to 2009 wen eecaanyamee gitt badd de percentage aff never been married blakk oomen drap. wat caused dem so called successful independent blakk oomen fe lower dem xxpectation. bet yuh dem needed a man fe share de xxpense.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">de 70 parcent aff blakk oomen nuh ave husband include widow, divorcees, teenagers, single oomen widd four ar more yuths fe four diffarant men, mzungu playtings, lesbians, <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">nuns</span></span>, etc soo dat figure misleadinn

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The nuns are qualfied and should not be removed from the list. If the lap dancers and table dancers weren't removed from the list, the nuns should not be reomved either.

Hey the divorcees should not be removed from the list.

Glad de pawt bout 100% a de ooman dem being fully qualified did sweet you.

[Tropicana]

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Surprised the Economist would tackle this.



<span style="font-weight: bold">A black male professor kicks up a storm about black women and marriage</span>

Oct 15th 2011


The collapse of marriage among blacks is well documented (see chart), but not the sexual, psychological, emotional and social toll this has taken on black women. Seven out of ten are single. Of the others, many are forced into “man-sharing”.

This crisis in the black “relationship market”, as Mr Banks calls it, starts with a “man shortage”. About one in ten black men in their early thirties are in prison. As a group, black men have also fallen behind in education and income, just as black women have surged ahead. Two black women graduate from college for every black man. As these women rise into the middle class,<span style="color: #000099"> the men stay in the lower class</span>, becoming less compatible.

<span style="font-weight: bold">A<span style="color: #000099"> tad harsh here.</span></span>


Many black women respond by “marrying down, but not out,” as Mr Banks puts it. But that makes bad marriages. Two out of every three black marriages fail, about twice the rate of white marriages.

The real problem is the behaviour of those few black men who are considered good catches. They often stay unmarried for the opposite reason: they have too many options. As one man told Mr Banks: “If you have four quality women you’re dating and they’re in a rotation, who’s going to rush into a marriage?” Even black men who nominally commit to one woman are five times as likely as their white counterparts to have others on the side.

One way or another, many black women thus become, or stay, single (as two of Mr Banks’s three sisters are). As one woman tells him: “We focus on our careers, our friends, go back to school, whatever. We fill our lives with other things.” But in the hundreds of interviews Mr Banks conducted, he found pervasive sadness.

The most obvious solution, he discovered, also runs into the greatest taboo: intermarriage. This is ironic, because black men are statistically very open to marrying outside their race—more than one in five does. But fewer than one in ten black women intermarries.

[RichD]

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i copy this from GD:
Man shortage leads less attractive women to career success: study
By NADINE WILSON All Woman writer [email protected]





GONE are the days when women saw their primary function as staying home taking care of babies and playing maid to their men. More and more women are becoming the movers and shakers of society as they climb the ladders of academic and career success.
But one study, in its efforts to determine the reason for this phenomenon, is suggesting that women are seeking briefcases over babies simply because of the scarcity of men. And, the study said, there is one type of woman doing that: the less physically attractive woman.


The study, Sex Ratio and Women's Career Choice: Does a Scarcity of Men Lead Women to Choose Briefcase Over Baby? published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, hinted that the women who were more career minded took that path because of their inability to snag long-term mates based on their looks.
The study found that sex ratio affects women's family planning and career choices and that a scarcity of men led women to seek high-paying careers and to delay starting a family.
&quot;Sex ratios involving a scarcity of men led women to seek lucrative careers because of the difficulty women have in finding an investing, long-term mate under such circumstances,&quot; the study read.
&quot;Accordingly, this low-male sex ratio produced the strongest desire for lucrative careers in women who are least able to secure a mate — a person's ability to attract mates is directly related to their 'mate value'. Higher mate-value women [eg women who are more physically attractive] have more mating opportunities and are better at securing desirable mates. When men are scarce, only the most desirable women are able to secure long-term, investing male partners. Because women who are less desirable to men are less likely to secure a long-term mate when men are scarce, such women must independently support themselves.&quot;
It said &quot;a scarcity of men leads low mate-value women to seek careers, and specifically, to seek careers that offer higher pay&quot;.
&quot;Because such women should have a more difficult time attracting a desirable mate, they should be more likely to pursue lucrative careers as a way to independently secure material resources that can then be invested in themselves and their family,&quot; the study said.
The fact that women make up the bulk of Jamaica's tertiary institutions has long been a concern for policy makers. According to counselling psychologist and founder of The Job Bank, Dr Leahcim Semaj, it becomes difficult for some of these women to find men who match their qualifications when it comes time to start a family.
&quot;As she gets older, the issue of devoting more of her time to work sometimes leads to not being able to find a man and not being able to find a man that meets her approved frame of reference,&quot; he said.
&quot;So rather than being involved with persons below what you are comfortable with, you'll put more of your effort into your career and into your job, so there is evidence of that,&quot; he noted.
But financial analyst Karen Fitz-Ritson believes women are becoming more career-focused simply because more opportunities are being opened up to them that did not exist in the past. She pointed to pioneers such as Gloria Steinem, whose iconic gesture of the burning of the bra in the 1960s encouraged more women to pursue their desired career choices.
&quot;I cannot speak to the fact that pursuing higher learning or professional training is the substitute for engaging in a relationship because I have no empirical evidence to this. But I can speak to the fact that in order to stay in the game, regardless of gender, one has to continuously qualify themselves and upgrade their skill sets if they are going to survive in this volatile and complex global environment,&quot; she said.
Although she noted that more females were found in tertiary institutions, Fitz-Ritson does not believe this necessarily presented a challenge to women finding suitable mates.
&quot;There are many other modes of professional training where men participate — the world has expanded beyond the traditional modalities of education. And universities may not offer the career paths they want to pursue,&quot; she pointed out.
Fitz-Ritson believes that career-oriented women were also now delaying having families because of the change in perception of success. Whereas before, success was considered being married with children, it now includes being independent and stable.
Added to this too, she believes, is the fact that the value system has changed over the years, resulting in the development of the &quot;instant gratification&quot; generation. Women are no longer content to sit at home and wait for a man to bring home the bacon. Over time they have to become more career driven and independent so they can finance themselves.
&quot;I often have to deal with female students in my institution who have this mental checklist in their heads of what they should achieve by certain ages and it is driving them crazy when they have not met the targets at the specific period,&quot; she said.
Dr Semaj was, however, in agreement with the study that women who were more physically attractive were oftentimes the ones who had the least interest in going after careers.
&quot;The more attractive the woman is, she is going to feel that she has more currency on the mating game, so that she can now stake more of her claim,&quot; he said.
&quot;She is going to use her looks, her beauty, to get ahead in life. If you notice there is a correlation where achieving men marry attractive women,&quot; he said.
It was Fitz-Ritson's view that desirability is not determined by a woman's physical attributes only. It was upon this basis that she disagreed with the study.
&quot;If you look at the cross section of the 'Generation Y' professionals of both sexes, they are quite pretty and spend a lot of time and care on their physical attributes. I am very impressed about that aspect — but of course what is between the ears is of importance,&quot; she said.


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...#ixzz1uSVrCDKV

[Suesumba]

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there's a weird silent war between black men and women. black men (not all - most) have forgone black women for women of other races, yet when they see a black woman (me) with a ___ man (mr. sue) dem get vex.

weh dem want? for all black woman fi goh siddung eena carner or tun lesbian?

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there's a weird silent war between black men and women. black men (not all - most) have forgone black women for women of other races, yet when they see a black woman (me) with a ___ man (mr. sue) dem get vex.

weh dem want? for all black woman fi goh siddung eena carner or tun lesbian? </div></div>

@ siddung inna cawnah

Except that, from what my experience is, I disagree with &quot;most&quot; black men have forgone etc. That is not what I see where I have lived for the past 25 years. 99% of the black men and women I know - those that are in relationships - are in relationships with other blacks. Well, that's how it looks for the over-30 crowd anyway here in Washington, DC.

For the Gen-X crowd, I see a lot of inter-racial and inter-cultural relationships and it is hard to find a definitive pattern. The only conclusion I can draw is that everybody just hookin up

[Skelly]

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Funny yu seh dat PZly..yessideh the lil one had sitten at her school and I observed that the minority parents were ALL into interracial marriages/relationships


And I guess I kinda fall into di sed category to....waddup wid dat doah?

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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stapp eeth kia

yu kno miseree luv de downgrade, a companee mii meen, nuh troo

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there's a weird silent war between black men and women. black men (not all - most) have forgone black women for women of other races, yet when they see a black woman (me) with a ___ man (mr. sue) dem get vex.

weh dem want? for all black woman fi goh siddung eena carner or tun lesbian? </div></div>nuh troo sue ann yuh kno itt a lie

moas blakk men marry blakk oomen soo fii gawn like moas blakk men prefer oomen aff addar race iss weak.

wat diss tredd reallee bout iss da effart fe create disunitee among blakk men ann blakk oomen ann dat y yuh ear nunsense bout de shortage aff blakk men. even tropi saw de weakness widd de shortage aff blakk men argument dat blakk oomen cumplaininn bout dat y shi ann skellee tart fe chatt bout unqualified blakk men. itt bout ann elitist arguments by sum blakk oomen fe mekk xxcuse y dem bow

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yuh reallee nuh tink sinting wrang wen supposedlee successfull oomen seyinn dem waan a man fe financiallee support dem. </div></div>

Why not? If blondes can sit at home sip tea and play tennis at the club when they're board, why shouldn't we be able to do the same thing.

Some financial support would set me up nicely right about now. I am EXHAUSTED from years of hard work.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> iff dem soo successfull, y dem cyaan mind demselves? imagine fram 2000 to 2009 wen eecaanyamee gitt badd de percentage aff never been married blakk oomen drap. wat caused dem so called successful independent blakk oomen fe lower dem xxpectation. bet yuh dem needed a man fe share de xxpense.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">de 70 parcent aff blakk oomen nuh ave husband include widow, divorcees, teenagers, single oomen widd four ar more yuths fe four diffarant men, mzungu playtings, lesbians, <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">nuns</span></span>, etc soo dat figure misleadinn

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The nuns are qualfied and should not be removed from the list. If the lap dancers and table dancers weren't removed from the list, the nuns should not be reomved either.

Hey the divorcees should not be removed from the list.

Glad de pawt bout 100% a de ooman dem being fully qualified did sweet you. </div></div>

topi wan aff mii oldar relative wey didd ar nursinn inn england use fe tell bout oww mii wood be surprise att de mount aff nuns wey use fe ave abartions an wey use fe putt upp dem yuths fe adoption.

blakk divorcee pon de list iss problematrikk cah de hiyah rate aff blakk divorce mean more single blakk oomen ann dat skew de result bout de mount aff single blakk oomen widd noo man.

de financial support argument iss intarestinn cah wen oomen gitt oldah dem lowa dem tandards ann beecum material oomen. wen mii chatt bout blakk oomen ottah cantrol spendinn mii irk de blakk oomen pon yah even dough moas aff de studee pint to a latt oldar blakk oomen livinn inn pavertee ann affii depend pon dem yuths ann dat lead to a cycle aff generational povertee. realitee iss dat blakk oomen wey deh widd blakk men ave lowa povertee rate dan single blakk oomen