Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comforting

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comforting

If people cannot afford steel they won't use it irrpespective of the social and other factors.
the reason why the buildings crumpled to that extent is the quality of the structures.
That Is caused by poverty. Poverty is caused by the actions of developed countries, in keeping thes countries so poor that they can't afford proper structures. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Haiti had such devastation because it has been kept too poor to build proper housing for it's people. </div></div>

agree. it was a strong earthquake, but the extent of the devastation had to do with the quality of buildings, density, the social more than the scientific factors, imo. similar situation with the last earthquake in china, where so many kids were killed while they were in shoddily built school buildings.
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[rudemonk]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Why would anyone think this info is hidden?
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<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Serial liars</span> will write and say anything ....you just never know.
I thought they needed volunteer Doctors in Haiti, especially ones with Haitian experience? </div></div>


OUCH...that left a mark.

[rudemonk]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">almost makes sense to keep a few large ships well equipped to handle disaster relief</div></div>

Two days ago James Moss Solomon was on Nationwide Radio. He sounded mad as hell as he recounted how he had proposed just a solution to regional Governments based upon the Western Caribbean Nations ever looming threat of catastrophic destruction from natural disasters.

Of course <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">reason</span> and <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">science</span> faces an uphill struggle when dealing with bible thumpers and inept leaders. </div></div>

well if there is anything that is clear, people will resort to superstition and gentle brainwashing and cultural indoctrinations.

some pathetic segment of the population can not come to grips with the fact of evolution and literally believe their bible. ironically benefitting from advances in science strictly attributable to that which they choose not to believe in.

but anyway to each their own, it just sucks when those people shrouded in ignorance have an effect that is felt beyond their personal sphere.

a couple of these, maintained in a fleet...seems like sound policy to adopt. an ounce of prevention.

[sistactry]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BiziBubbla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyway, jamaica had its earthquake back in 16 sitten or nedda...mi sure smaddy else will come chat bout Port Royal.

When a jamaica time, is jamaica time... </div></div>nuh jus 1908 dem did have the earthquake? </div></div>

1692:Earthquake of Port Royal
'There never happens an earthquake, but God speaks to men on Earth.'
Boston Puritan Cotton Mather, 1706

ON JUNE 7, 1692, after winding up his morning prayer service, Dr. Emmanuel Heath, the Anglican rector in Port Royal, left St. Paul's Church and walked to a nearby tavern. There he met his friend John White, who was president of the island's Council, and the two men got to chatting. Soon goblets of wormwood wine were brought out and White lit his customary pipe of tobacco. Before it was outed and the wine drunk, the floor suddenly began to rumble and shake. &quot;Lord, Sir,&quot; the Rev. Heath asked his friend, &quot;what's this?&quot; (Gragg, 2000).
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Three hundred and nine years ago on this day, somewhere between 11:15 a.m. and noon (reports differ as to the actual time, although in the 1950s, in an archaeological first, divers are said to have found a watch which X-ray photography revealed to have stopped at 11.43 a.m.), the ground opened up in different places simultaneously, swallowing bodies and buildings alike.

Dead bodies and bones from uprooted graves covered the harbour replacing ships tossed by the mammoth waves into the town's destroyed buildings and onto the shells of its once bustling streets. In total, between 1,500 and 2,000 people lost their lives.

Naval, merchant and fishing fleets were wrecked and the former jewel in England's 17th century colonies brought to its knees. The duration of the quake is unclear, many Port Royal residents are documented as saying that it lasted at least 15 minutes, but most reports indicated that the catastrophe took no more than two to three minutes. That was all it took to wipe out almost one-third of Port Royal's population, as in addition to those who died, up to 3,000 were reported to have sustained serious injuries.

Remarkably, both Heath and White survived this utter devastation. Rev. Heath is even believed to have reached his house and found everything in the same order in which he had left them. Many, including Rev. Heath, felt the quake to be a sign of divine retribution for Port Royal's reputation as the 'wickedest city in the world.'

Founded in 1650, Port Royal was first captured by the English in 1655 and turned into a strategic military and naval base. Initially intended as a heavily fortified garrison by the late 17th century, the town had developed into the most important commercial centre in the English colonies. Port Royal's location in the middle of the Caribbean made it ideal for trade. Its location was also strategic for pillage and plunder as the many pirates who desired to launch attacks on the Spanish main flocked to it. From 1660 to 1692, Port Royal therefore became a haven for rogues such as the Welshman, Henry Morgan and 'three-fingered' Jack Rackham.

According to a September 2000 &quot;History Today&quot; article by Larry Gragg, Port Royal was densely populated, covering little more than 50 acres. It was filled with close to 6,500 people of various professions -- &quot;Smiths, Carpenters, Bricklayers, Joyners, Turners, Cabinet Makers, Tanners, Curriors, Shoemakers, Taylors, Hatters, Upholsters, Ropemakers, Glasiers, Painters, Carvers, Armourers, and Combmakers.&quot; They lived in nearly 2,000 multi-story, often brick buildings that miraculously managed to stand upon a foundation of sand. There were as many if not more gambling and drinking dens and brothels as places of worship for Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, Baptists, Quakers and Jews.

Historical accounts reveal that close on the heels of the earthquakes and during its many aftershocks, looters broke into homes and warehouses taking every thing of value. The dead were said to have been robbed of all they had on them, and on the very night of the quake, many in the destroyed town were even said to have been back at their &quot;old trade of drinking, swearing and whoring&quot;.

The Rev. Heath hoped that this terrible judgment would stand as a warning and that God would make these people of ill repute reform their lives. Some, like Boston-based Puritan minister, Cotton Mather, believed God intended it as a warning to Christians everywhere.

If it was such, it went unheeded. All that was left of Port Royal was about 25 acres, a substantially depleted population and a skeleton of a town. Yet, five years later a visitor to Jamaica described Port Royal as a place where the residents &quot;regard nothing but money, and value not how they get it&quot;.

Although it continued to serve as a British naval base throughout the 18th century, Port Royal yielded its commercial role to its neighbour across the harbour, Kingston. A fire in 1703 and a devastating hurricane in 1722 hastened the Port Royal's full decline. By 1774, there were scarcely a hundred houses in Port Royal.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

It doesn't take much to leave a mark on <span style="font-weight: bold">impressionable </span> minds.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Why would anyone think this info is hidden?
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<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Serial liars</span> will write and say anything ....you just never know.
I thought they needed volunteer Doctors in Haiti, especially ones with Haitian experience? </div></div>


OUCH...that left a mark.
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[RichD]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

<span style="font-weight: bold">At 3.32pm on January 14th 1907 a major earthquake lasting approximately 40 seconds, heavily damaged the city of Kingston and Port Royal, Jamaica.</span> Accounts of this catastrophe by Sir Frederick Treves and W. Ralph Hall Caine, both published in 1908, report solid brick walls bulging and collapsing, carriages being lifted and flung through the air, telegraph poles swaying like leaves in the wind, and great structures whether made of iron, wood or stone, crumbling. People were simply picked up and tossed while struggling to maintain their balance. Those individuals who managed to escape out onto the streets were quickly enveloped in a thick yellow fog punctuated by the sound of crackling and tumbling walls.

[H_O]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

Dr. Dudd. if you look at some of the photos of collapsed buildings, a big part of the problem in Haiti is some serious factors in the concrete alone
using impure/contaminated water affects the setting or causes premature failure.

Remember, companies that operate in North America or Europe Like lefarge or St.Marys put alot of requirements and technology and pressure testing into there pre mix product.
the more water in concrete, creates more what is known as &quot;slump&quot;.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

When all the cockroaches comes out the wood work,it usually mean some real cleaning is taking place.
i hope the effects is evident after.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dr. Dudd. if you look at some of the photos of collapsed buildings, a big part of the problem in Haiti is some serious factors in the concrete alone
using impure/contaminated water affects the setting or causes premature failure.

Remember, companies that operate in North America or Europe Like lefarge or St.Marys put alot of requirements and technology and pressure testing into there pre mix product.
the more water in concrete, creates more what is known as &quot;slump&quot;.


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The earthquake in Haiti was no more that six miles below the surface. Jamaica and Haiti has been loosing tonnes of top soil yearly from decades. Materially strong houses on poor foundation cannot withstand such compound problems.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When all the cockroaches comes out the wood work,it usually mean some real cleaning is taking place.
i hope the effects is evident after. </div></div>

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">LOL </span>looks like the wrong forum. Are you sure this was not meant for the Hints from Heloise Forum?

Home Improvement, Interior Decorating &amp; Gardening

[remo]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

There are plenty people to blame for the disaster
look here

[Dr.Dudd]

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And that is just what was done recently to.
Haiti was first occupied by the US in the early 1800's, In has been invaded and occupied many times before they eventually put Papa Doc in power,as president for life.

And then have his son Jean claude succeeding him in the e7o's. He was deposed inthe80's only to be replaced by US appointed dictators after dictators.
the first freely elected president was deposed by US supported criminals again He was finally deposed and removed by the US again.
So it is not about help why the US is ther It is all about control and suppression of the majority.
They are only seen as expendable. It is a shame though, because teh majority of Americans would not have agreed to the truth if they knew it.
It is a shame what is done inthe name of the American people, to other innocent people.
All for no permanent benefit to nine involved.
Since all the benefits are transient. Look at what happen ion the wall street crash.
A lot of what is lost, had value, but wher is ti now?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are plenty people to blame for the disaster
look here </div></div>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are plenty people to blame for the disaster
look here </div></div>

Meaningless we have grown up an seen for ourselves the corrupt Haitian Governments that have bled Haiti of its resources. No use sitting down taking comfort in some century year old tale.

[Dr.Dudd]

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That was 1970's,
what you talking about century old??<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are plenty people to blame for the disaster
look here </div></div>

Meaningless we have grown up an seen for ourselves the corrupt Haitian Governments that have bled Haiti of its resources. No use sitting down taking comfort in some century year old tale. </div></div>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Earthquake - Image of the fault line image..not comfort

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a couple of these, maintained in a fleet...seems like sound policy to adopt. an ounce of prevention.


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Coupled with a suggestion that I have made before on the Labourite YouTube Channel before I was thrown off.
We should take two years out of the lives of all Jamaicans, starting in the Grade Schools and train them for search and rescue operation. This will create a trained cadre of Citizens who can take charge of SR block to block in case of a catastrophic disaster.
So if we had a disaster in say Haiti and we have these ships we could easily gather up 1000 citizens who are familiar with the EMT, S&amp;R functions and logistics of these vessels and could provide the bulk lower order staffing for any operation.

The recent crash of the AA Flight331 shows us that the man/ooman on the scene is generally forced into action where he or she likes it or not.