Is there racism in the caribbean?

[rufian]

Re: Is there racism in the caribbean?

[qb]Before the Europeans, heriditary slavery extending over several generations was rare. I do not remember the exact phrase but it was a taboo to talk about heritage of some slaves who were integrate in some nations in Nigeria.
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That is Nigeria. How many places are you taking into consideration here? I can put my neck on the block to say that in Niger it is not so, in Senegal it is definitely not so. Heriditary slavery is the same as a slavery caste and in West Africa slave castes do exist. Whole tribes who lost become slave castes even. It's about time we started doing some citing [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[qb]And does subsuming the African slavery into a more universial definition of slavery serves a particular function?
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Yes because it shows why we accept superiority-inferiority relationships without much questioning. If you readily accept it on one level, you will have tolerance for it on another.

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Chattel slavery is that a person is owned as a piece of property. Chattel slave has no legal rights and can be punished by the owner at will. African slaves had some individual rights and their were some restrictions to limit abuses. Does you definition of free and freedom apply to African's society cultural definition?
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You say African slaves, please to bring some reference because this is not what I hear. All to hand being hacked off and punishment for disobedience. The African definition is one none other than it is in the West. All people belong to the government, in this case they belong to the tribe and on lower levels to the hands that feed them. The Kings had a general ownership of the young women. Hecould collect them in a place and collect the dowry from those who wanted them - on a lower level, this ownership is to the fathers.

[qb]You are right about that but do not forget that many Africans also lost their lives when they oppose slavery.
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Which Africans? If is those in Nigeria you are refering too. Look at them good. These are the Northeners, the Fulani and Hausa. These are not our everyday brothers. These people felt above slavery and were themselves enslavers.

[qb]Some Africans apoligized for their part in our enslavement.[/qb]
That means absolutely nothing, them more sorry that them can't sell more [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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I am glad you recognized that African slavery dispropotionately impacted women but that is another issue. [/qb]
I was not saying this out of today's feministic philosophies, but I would doubt that the Africans would say you can't sleep with your slave woman [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] afterall this prohibition could only come up out of racism.

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Please post the topic of how Caribbean parent are willing to make their children go through hell for their good. But is that the result of their African origin or the imposition of European chattel slavery?
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No, it is not as a result of European slavery, but their African ways. They were doing this amongst each other before the Europeans came. When I sell my own child to slavery and collect money for it, is it different than putting a child through other hells for my profit?

I can draw reference to something which was happening in Africa before the white man and is still happening in the Caribbean. When someone helped you out of distress, he becomes the owner of your life, because you want your freedom, you give a child to him. This child will take care of that person and be at his bidding till death. What you call this?

[blugiant]

Re: Is there racism in the caribbean?

yard still bad

[tonic]

Re: Is there racism in the caribbean?

Sukuna do not put your neck on the block because you might lose it. What you said about Niger is somewhat correct but it depend on the group. Get the books " The Ideology of Slavery in Africa" and "Slavery by Mier and Kopytoff." I found those book somewhat racist but the provided useful info. On you question about chattel slavery get some of the books by Molefi Assante.

And does subsuming the African slavery into a more universal definition serves a particular function?
Sukuna said " yes because it shows why we accept superiority-inferiority relationship without much questioning. If you readily accept it on one level , you will have tolerance for it on another. This is an interesting response because it implies that Africans are equally involved in the enslavement of Africans by the European. How can we end superiority-inferiority relationship by understanding our differences and attitudes toward another? Differences, in the enslavement of Africans by the Europeans apply, to all groups that were a part of the enslavement of Africans. As a result, even the reactions of Africans and people of African descent become a part of the problem because it take the focus away from the real problem. Sukuna did you see how some people responded to you when you raised some problem associated with inter-racial dating. You became a part of the problem by raising the issue. Why? Because anyone who honestly addresses the issue by honestly focusing whites behaviors as pathological get called racist. Superiority-inferiority relationship get its meaning from a cultural context and by subsuming it meaning within a universal definition denies the differences in other cultures.

When someone helped you out of distress he become owner of your life, because you want your freedom, you give a child to him. This child will take care of that person and be at his bidding till death. What do you called this?
A loan! I am joking. Seriously, this is called pawnship. Pawning was basically the act of offering a person as security for money borrowed. The pawn work for the person until the debt was repaid. This sometime led to slavery. There is a book on this called "Pawnship in African society."
You raised an interesting point that this might be one of the reason Caribbean parents are willing to make there children go through hell.

[born_jamaican]

Re: Is there racism in the caribbean?

Bwoy so di a forem long but as to reply to your question there is racism everywhere you go.

Eg. Some Jamaican men don't like there woman bonny while other like dem bonny.

And in some people eyes that is racism...

It all depends on how you look at it.

But we still got love for al though and that's what is important