selassie natt blakk enuff

**jah_yout** · 09-26-2007, 01:02 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jesus chrise, what an addiction! a juss always a wonder why dem rasta never find an african role model more close to dem nature or even one weh come from weh dem come from, like kwaku or one codjoe. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70392-silly.gif[/img]

Jahyout, me find it degrading dat rastas a big up people who look down pan dem. de ethiopians me met - some a dem respect rasta cause dem big dem up but de most a dem look down pan other africans an call dem n's. took me a while fe understand dat dem think dat white people just anti-semitist gainst dem. dem na see it as racism fe de most part. down wid de worship of man.

Obama fe president [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] </div></div>

being african is not an addiction...it is who we are...
rasta doesn't need 'to find an african role model' as we have plenty, including kwaku & cudjoe...rasta don't big up 'ethiopians' the way you picture...but 'ethiopians' means burnt face or black people...ethiopia was a lot bigger than what it is today & selassie i who we big up never looked down on us but actually gave us gold medals & praises & set aside land for us...
haile selassie i was not a 'choice' but rather the fulfillment of prophecy...
ethiopia is large & diverse...some amharas & tigrayans have bought into the white man's propoganda that they are not black but that is really a minority of the ethiopian population...and let's be honest there are a lot of brown/red jamaicans who look down on black jamaicans...also, i suppose you are saying that we should only deal with west africans, but didn't some west africans sell us into slavery? all africans have fallen short of the glory...
actually i find many ethiopians to actually be more racially conscious than many jamaicans & they are very proud of the battle of adwa when they became the first african/black nation to defeat a european power on the african continent...
if you say down with 'worship' of a man then you must also not accept the divinity of jesus christ, but that's ok neither do jews or muslims or many others...
obviously there is a lot of bias among jamaicans toward rasta...although we helped free their minds from the colonial yoke...bet yu seh yu woman relatives still a creme dem hair...

rastafari liveth...

more fire pon obama

**jah_yout** · 09-26-2007, 01:24 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

ETHIOPIA TIMES
Issue #15
April 21st 2006.

Celebrating the 40th Anniversary of Grounation Day

Below we present a copy of HIM Emperor Haile Selassie I speech to the Jamaican Parliament during his visit in 1966.

EMPEROR HAILE SELASSIE I ADDRESSES THE JAMAICA HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT APRIL 22, 1966.

Distinguished members of the Jamaican Parliament, I am glad today to get this opportunity of conveying some thoughts to the Jamaican Parliament and people. The people of Jamaica have a long glorious history. The Jamaican people have struggled to attain their independence and since independence the Jamaican people in an exemplary national unity have gone on to bring further abundance and progress to themselves. Because I know of the history of these wonderful people and because I know of the sentiments the people of Jamaica entertain for the Ethiopian people, I have always wished to come and visit Jamaica. Now, thank God, this wish of mine has been fulfilled.

Upon arrival in Jamaica I have seen more than I have expected. I have seen the progress of the people and I have seen their determination to march forward in unity towards greater progress. I have also witnessed personally the extent of the feeling of the Jamaican people for the Ethiopian people. Again I wish to take this opportunity of expressing my thanks to the Government and people of Jamaica for the wonderful reception that was accorded to me.

Our relations with the Jamaican people, as I have said already, is not of present origin. At a time when the Ethiopian people bore aggression, harsh aggression, the people of Jamaica showed their concern and sympathy to the Ethiopian people and have in this way provided us with encouragement regarding which the Ethiopian people shall be forever grateful.

Since I arrived in Jamaica, I was able to witness myself that these feelings of sympathy that had existed then have continued, and even now there is a greater desire to establish a closer relation with the people of Ethiopia.

The relations, in a broader sense, between the people of Jamaica and the people of Ethiopia and Africa are deep and abiding. We have all struggled for independence and have achieved it now. Because we are people dedicated to the achievement of our independence. We have attained an objective that is the basis for continued mutual cooperation and goodwill.

In addition to this there is a bond of gratitude, a bond of brotherhood. The people of Jamaica, by and large, have originated in Africa. This again gives us another basis upon which we can contract a healthy relation, a relation that is not only going to be useful to our respective peoples but a relation, because of the fundamental similarity between us, that will in the long run contribute to a better maintenance of international peace and security.

In addition to this both the people of Jamaica and the people of Ethiopia are dedicated to another cause, that is the cause of progress and prosperity. Here again the struggle we have to undergo, the difficulties we must all overcome, and the programmer we must adopt have much similarity. Thus I say the people of Jamaica and Ethiopia have much in common and these common factors can be used as the basis for even stronger relations between our two peoples

The people of African origin have immigrated to many parts of the world. Some of them have come to Jamaica; others to other parts of the world. But wherever they may be they have similar historical experiences and the problems that await them depend on sympathy, and this can be used by all of us as the basis for the establishment of greater cooperation which will be for our mutual benefit.
In addition to this I also believe that the peoples of Jamaica and Ethiopia have another important cause in common, that is the cause of international peace. For much more than means of warfare, the violation of peace somewhere, must be discouraged to prevent the utter devastation of the human race. We have as an important concern that there should not be a violation of international peace and security.

However, if small countries do not combine all their energies, if small countries do not put all their weight in one direction towards the maintenance of international peace, then their individual voices in today's world would not matter much. This is precisely why the smaller states, lilte Jamaica and Ethiopia, have the supreme interest that international peace and security be preserved. And to this end we have to continue to collaborate so that our voice on the international scene would be augmented.

In addition to this it is quite true that a country can achieve material progress alone. However, we know from the experiences of the past that international co-operation tends to quicken the pace for progress of individual countries. This is again another area for us to think about and see in what way we can further expand the relations between the peoples of Jamaica and Ethiopia. From another fundamental point of view this is why the organization of African Unity has been established. It is because the African continent, which comprises more than 250 milion people, were it to remain divided among more than 30 states, their individual voices would not carry weight. It is precisely why, since there is an identity of interest, we have attempted to include Jamaica also, so that we can carry this weight in the councils of nations, and also through the process of co-operation and expanded economic relations we might be in a position to quicken the pace of development of the individual member countries of the Organization of African Unity.

Because the African people are dedicated to the cause of the maintenance of peace, because the African people are determined that there should be that material progress for their people, and because the African people believe in the essential precepts of democracy, these are the foundations of the Organization of African Unity. An organization that is based on such a solid foundation can only bring success to all its endeavours which will be for the interest and benefit of the African people, and perhaps also the interest of other peoples.

From the same point of view l say the similarity of fundamental national interest between our two peoples, that is our good friendship that has always existed, must be allowed to deepen, must expand the areas of material and full cooperation in all ways possible.

We must remember that many states that today represent the major powers of the world were once weak, were once prey to other major forces. But, however, through the process of assimilation, through the process of the realization of fundamental national interests, and through the process of combination that they have achieved, they have become the major powers, the powers that are all-embracing. From the same point of view the people of Africa in Jamaica who have identical interests should be able to augment their energies for good by the process of the establishment of greater collaboration.

I would broadly say wherever there is African blood there is a basis for greater unity. We must also help each other in our endeavours to expand education, to raise the standard of living of our respective peoples. To this end we wish to signify the appreciation of the sentiments held by the Jamaican people for the Ethiopian people and as a manifestation of our sincere friendship, within our very limited means, we have made an agreement with the Jamaican Govermnent to establish a school for Jamaicans here. I am confident that all the preliminary procedures will be concluded so that the construction of the school will commence within the near future.

Lastly, may God give wisdom and His blessings to the people of Jamaica. Thank you.``

**blugiant** · 09-26-2007, 07:10 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
mi haffi laugh sometime...
o.k. so we know you don't like selassie...granted; so selassie is a fraud because garvey spoke out against him?...
was the k.k.k. good because garvey met with them & gave them some praise?

was garvey a fraud because the great scholar w.e.b dubois (soul of black folk) spoke out against him?
was garvey a fraud because j.a. rogers spoke about his shortcomings?

was garvey a loser because blacks in liberia refused his request to set up shop there? was garvey a fraud because he was convicted & served jail time?
was garvey a fraud because he died in england (exile?)as opposed to jamaica or africa?

you endlessy focus on one episode of when a bitter garvey lashed out against emperor selassie mistakenly accusing him of being a slave-owner who owned black slaves hated & ignored blacks...(despite the fact that his cousin dr. malaku bayen started the ethiopian world federation in the 1930's as an organization for africans throughout the entire world who wanted to support ethiopia during the fascist invasion)...
did you mention that a lot of garvey's black friends turned against him when he decided to go with this approach?
some even thought it was out of jealousy that selassie's popularity was now eclipsing garvey's...
wi nuh bizniz...we still love garvey...
selassie came to jamaica & laid a wreath at garvey's tomb...he then met with rastas and gave them gold medals while refusing to extend the same honor to government officials...
rasta knows who is for africa...

ok, i get it- you like garvey & don't like selassie...

overstood...moving on

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natt a matta aff likinn ar natt likinn selassie.

mii agree widd selassie wen imm sey dat imm natt god. mii agree widd awl dose blakk peeps woo cheered ann danced inn da street wen dem remove selassie fram affice cah imm wass inncampetent ann imm wass natt blakk enuff. say iff yu look closelee yu wood see earlier on garvey use fii bigg upp selassie until imm sey dat selassie wass a coward

garvey mett widd da kkk soo wat sum thyme yu wurst enemy iss yu bess friend. dat y manee blakk bunn fiyah pon imm

w.eb. dubois wass wan blakk-white dat sellout blakk peeps. wan day mii will doo wan tredd ann show watt mii meen dat earlier inn imm careers imm misleed blakks. web knew wat side imm bread didd butter on

ja roger iss intarestinn. wat garvey cawl dem blakk-white

liberia more camplexx dan oww yu simpleefii itt. memba mzungu prevented garvey fram goinn too afrikka. doan figitt oww dem teff imm belonginn illegalee dunn a yaawd ann wat dem didd too garvey inn ja

fii sey garvey wass bitter iss fii trii fii dismiss dat a latt aff blakk afrikkans did natt respekk selassie. bout selassie neva own slaves mii doubt dat. oww cum yu neva chatt sey da reason y selassie abolished slaveree inn ethiopia iss cah imm wanted fii joined leauge aff nations ann mzungu add fii bunn fiyah pon imm ova slaveree. can yu imagine imm tried fii join babylon ting fii protectshan butt mzungu add fii tell imm dat slaveree inn imm countree noh rite. cho blakk redeemer indeed

selassie even cansidered rastas crazee fanatikks

**blugiant** · 09-27-2007, 01:11 AM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
blu i know you respect garvey & to the brethren of rastafari garvey is a much esteemed prophet & elder...but he was wrong on this one...we wouldn't judge the emperor by garvey's hurt harsh &

bitter words any more than we would judge garvey by the harshly critical words of a w.e.b. dubois or the u.s. government which said he was a criminal or the jamaican gov't which hounded him or the jamaican people who sold him out...
if you want to highlight garvey's criticism of the emperor during the fascist italian attack (which they succeeded in occupying a part of the country by using poison gas)...then you must also highlight the fact that liberians did not allow garvey to build a base in liberia...
garvey failed to get a foothold in africa & was bitter that ethiopia, his last hope was now occupied...
but in the long run garvey was a success & this is how we judge him...he inspired africa's independence movements...in the long run selassie was a success as he inspired the great african awakening in the west & on the continent...
we the brethren of rastafari will continue to honor our great prophets rather than find things with which to break them down like the misguided jamaican people continue to do...they of the high murder rate who refuse to love their brothers & sisters...rasta nah join dem game...

'bwoy if yu dis marcus den you must bite the dust
equal rights & justice that's what he taught us
and if you dis selassie i bwoy yu gweyn die
emperor selassie i a guide i and i
dis emmanuel, gone dung a hell
every knee shall bow and every tongue shall tell' </div></div>

natt da liberians dat neva gave garvey dat foothold butt da mzungu woo wass scared aff garvey. deer iss a reason y wood neva give garvey dat rite fii visit afrikka.

sah selassie run like wan coward wile imm peeps kept bunninn fiyah till dem mzungu add fii leeve. den selassie tunn pon dem wen bunn fiyah pon mzungu innvadas

even selssie own yuth trii fii ovathrow imm. selassie murdered a latt aff blakk peeps,millions?, soo yu argument weak wen yu use fii fii chatt bout luvinn imm brothers ann sisters

yu knoo iff mii waan fii bunn selassie badlee mii caan reallee blaze imm upp

**blugiant** · 09-27-2007, 01:20 AM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mountaingal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i don't know what the phrase "black enuff" means...
</div></div>doo yu tink sumbadee like selassie cumminn fram hiss bakkground ovatand da rasta struggle inn ja ann watt rasta wass reallee bout. yu see att itt roots rasta iss bout reasoninn fii arrive att da blakk trooth.

**Wahalla** · 09-27-2007, 06:33 AM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jesus chrise, what an addiction! a juss always a wonder why dem rasta never find an african role model more close to dem nature or even one weh come from weh dem come from, like kwaku or one codjoe. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70392-silly.gif[/img]

Jahyout, me find it degrading dat rastas a big up people who look down pan dem. de ethiopians me met - some a dem respect rasta cause dem big dem up but de most a dem look down pan other africans an call dem n's. took me a while fe understand dat dem think dat white people just anti-semitist gainst dem. dem na see it as racism fe de most part. down wid de worship of man.

Obama fe president [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] </div></div>

Interesting comment.... But the fact ofthe matter no matter how hard people try Rasta is but anotehr derivation of Chrisitanity with a amorphis of working class Jamaican overlay. Re-invented christianity much as the Niecean conference did..

Given that both Kwawku, Cudjoe., Tacky, Boukman rejected christianity out right... And worshiped a more militantAfrocentric Amimistic paganistic form of releligion... ie they prefered to confront rather than see them selves as victiom waiting for a messiah to lead to zion.... R

**jah_yout** · 09-27-2007, 05:24 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mountaingal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i don't know what the phrase "black enuff" means...
</div></div>doo yu tink sumbadee like selassie cumminn fram hiss bakkground ovatand da rasta struggle inn ja ann watt rasta wass reallee bout. yu see att itt roots rasta iss bout reasoninn fii arrive att da blakk trooth. </div></div>

like i said selassie met with the rasta brethren several times on his visit to jamaica & witnessing the hate some j'cans (like yourself) have for rastafari...set aside a land grant for rasta who wished to repatriate to africa (after honoring them with gold medals)...
so selassie overstand the rasta struggle but ironically you don't...garvey didn't like howell the rasta pioneer either & probably hated rasta...so ironically selassie had more love for rasta than garvey did...no matter...we adopted him as a prophet..
your main drive is from racism & hate but the king never preach that...
it's not as simple as you try to make it...garvey good guy selassie bad guy...
so stop call up rasta name because it is you who don't overstand rasta...

**jah_yout** · 09-27-2007, 05:34 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jesus chrise, what an addiction! a juss always a wonder why dem rasta never find an african role model more close to dem nature or even one weh come from weh dem come from, like kwaku or one codjoe. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70392-silly.gif[/img]

Jahyout, me find it degrading dat rastas a big up people who look down pan dem. de ethiopians me met - some a dem respect rasta cause dem big dem up but de most a dem look down pan other africans an call dem n's. took me a while fe understand dat dem think dat white people just anti-semitist gainst dem. dem na see it as racism fe de most part. down wid de worship of man.

Obama fe president [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] </div></div>

Interesting comment.... But the fact ofthe matter no matter how hard people try Rasta is but anotehr derivation of Chrisitanity with a amorphis of working class Jamaican overlay. Re-invented christianity much as the Niecean conference did..

Given that both Kwawku, Cudjoe., Tacky, Boukman rejected christianity out right... And worshiped a more militantAfrocentric Amimistic paganistic form of releligion... ie they prefered to confront rather than see them selves as victiom waiting for a messiah to lead to zion.... R </div></div>

this is so way off it's comical...
but don't feel bad, most non-africans usually have a hard time fathoming rasta...
no christianity is pie in the sky after u die...rasta is on this earth in this time...christian still waiting for jesus...rasta messiah done come already...this is heaven & this is hell, right here right now...
'more militant' 'pagan' religions?
i guess the christian (& some muslim) ethiopians who defeated italy at adwa were less militant?

seh wha?

**jah_yout** · 09-27-2007, 05:55 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
mi haffi laugh sometime...
o.k. so we know you don't like selassie...granted; so selassie is a fraud because garvey spoke out against him?...
was the k.k.k. good because garvey met with them & gave them some praise?

was garvey a fraud because the great scholar w.e.b dubois (soul of black folk) spoke out against him?
was garvey a fraud because j.a. rogers spoke about his shortcomings?

was garvey a loser because blacks in liberia refused his request to set up shop there? was garvey a fraud because he was convicted & served jail time?
was garvey a fraud because he died in england (exile?)as opposed to jamaica or africa?

you endlessy focus on one episode of when a bitter garvey lashed out against emperor selassie mistakenly accusing him of being a slave-owner who owned black slaves hated & ignored blacks...(despite the fact that his cousin dr. malaku bayen started the ethiopian world federation in the 1930's as an organization for africans throughout the entire world who wanted to support ethiopia during the fascist invasion)...
did you mention that a lot of garvey's black friends turned against him when he decided to go with this approach?
some even thought it was out of jealousy that selassie's popularity was now eclipsing garvey's...
wi nuh bizniz...we still love garvey...
selassie came to jamaica & laid a wreath at garvey's tomb...he then met with rastas and gave them gold medals while refusing to extend the same honor to government officials...
rasta knows who is for africa...

ok, i get it- you like garvey & don't like selassie...

overstood...moving on

</div></div>

natt a matta aff likinn ar natt likinn selassie.

mii agree widd selassie wen imm sey dat imm natt god. mii agree widd awl dose blakk peeps woo cheered ann danced inn da street wen dem remove selassie fram affice cah imm wass inncampetent ann imm wass natt blakk enuff. say iff yu look closelee yu wood see earlier on garvey use fii bigg upp selassie until imm sey dat selassie wass a coward

garvey mett widd da kkk soo wat sum thyme yu wurst enemy iss yu bess friend. dat y manee blakk bunn fiyah pon imm

w.eb. dubois wass wan blakk-white dat sellout blakk peeps. wan day mii will doo wan tredd ann show watt mii meen dat earlier inn imm careers imm misleed blakks. web knew wat side imm bread didd butter on

ja roger iss intarestinn. wat garvey cawl dem blakk-white

liberia more camplexx dan oww yu simpleefii itt. memba mzungu prevented garvey fram goinn too afrikka. doan figitt oww dem teff imm belonginn illegalee dunn a yaawd ann wat dem didd too garvey inn ja

fii sey garvey wass bitter iss fii trii fii dismiss dat a latt aff blakk afrikkans did natt respekk selassie. bout selassie neva own slaves mii doubt dat. oww cum yu neva chatt sey da reason y selassie abolished slaveree inn ethiopia iss cah imm wanted fii joined leauge aff nations ann mzungu add fii bunn fiyah pon imm ova slaveree. can yu imagine imm tried fii join babylon ting fii protectshan butt mzungu add fii tell imm dat slaveree inn imm countree noh rite. cho blakk redeemer indeed

selassie even cansidered rastas crazee fanatikks </div></div>

stop spread propoganda bout what selassie considered rasta...look how much tome mi show yu seh selassie was the first person ever to have rasta enter jamaica's king's house in official regalia as dignitaries...your hate is blinding, isn't it...it is actually you who consider rasta crazy fanatics...
i give you a bly on the dubois ting but j.a. rogers was a great man...
like i said you are entitled to hate selassie, but not entitled to spread lies...
j.a. rogers a black-white? maybe but he wrote some great books about the black man...
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Rogers had known Marcus Garvey from their youth in Jamaica and in 1923, he covered the Marcus Garvey trial. Although never a member of the Universal Negro Improvement Association, of which Garvey was founder and President-General, Rogers wrote regularly for the UNIA's weekly newspaper, the Negro World, and lectured to local UNIA chapters.

In 1935, dissatisfied with the mainstream reporting of the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, Rogers became the first black war correspondent when he reported on Mussolini's campaign for the Pittsburgh Courier newspaper. After returning to the United States in 1936 he published a highly popular, illustrated pamphlet entitled The Real Facts About Ethiopia.

He was a contemporary and acquaintance of the leading black, intellectual and political figures of the age, from Garvey and W E Dubois to Malcolm X. He was honoured on a number of occasions by Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia and then witnessed the rise of the Nation of Islam under the leadership of Elijah Muhammad.

He was as tenacious as he was prolific: when publishing houses refused to publish his works, Rogers simply published them himself. In his lifetime he published over 16 books and pamphlets on top of his countless articles.

He died in 1966 at the advent of black power. His was a seminal contribution in the establishment of black history as an academic subject and, so, to the political movements it spawned.

**Wahalla** · 09-29-2007, 07:38 AM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

West African religion were considered Pagan... With a animistic over tone.... Pagan should be veiwed not as bad or good merely another religion.. The roots of the world actually mean "from the country".. Rasta with it many iterations uses a post neicene text as its foundation.. course you are going to tell me that they dont use the bible... has many rictuals which are simply made "jamaican" use the rictual cup, see selassie as fulfilment of a profesy based on the biblical presidence.. No its salvataion through selassie....

Cudjoe, Boukman, Tacky Kwaku all rejected any forms of black christianity.. And saw the need to re enter tthe African spirutuality... And used their religion as a justification of the use of violemnce to overcome the oprerssuion.. Rasta merely subveteted christianity re invented it myths moving zion from palistine to Ethopia.. Me I ratehr drink the blood, gunpowder and rum cocktail that Boukman and Tacky advocated.. then go bloody rahter than use experience the calming halucinogenic effect of marijuana.... Not waiting for zion rather building a zion by the washing of spears seems a more aproriate methodology than all the double talk...

**rufian** · 10-04-2007, 01:18 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

de addiction statement was referring to 3 other things.
however it is worth considering as an addiction. just like how me grow up and not call meself african, africans na see themselves as africans. hmm

you too emotional man.

**blugiant** · 10-04-2007, 11:43 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">since selassie caan trace imm roots directlee bakk too solomon itt gave imm more credibilitee. mii wanda iff peeps wood embrace iff imm trace imm maddar lineage bakk too egypt </div></div>

but can he really? i've heard otherwise [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> selassie:
We ourselves, by virtue of our descent from the Queen of Sheba and King Solomon, ever since we accepted in trust, in 1916, first the regency of the Ethiopian realm and later, the Imperial Dignity, right up to the present, we have set out to the best of our ability, to improve, gradually, internal administration by introducing into the country western modes of civilization through which our people may attain a higher level.
</div></div>

**Morpheous** · 10-08-2007, 05:48 AM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lot of people have a lot of ill feeling toward the emperor & don't know why...funny thing is most of them don't know any ethiopians...</div></div>
I have never met the Emperor but I met two his great great grand sons right here in the UK. One I used to work with, he was my manager, the other I later met when I was at university doing my computing degree.

I have also worked/hung out with Ethiopians and Eritreans and I can tell you both camps hate Selassie. They reckon he treated his people really badly.

Now I have no ill feeling against Selassie because I never met him and growing up in Jamaica I heard a different story about him as a child. Somalians and Sudanese also have their story to tell re: refugees flooding into their country.

I didn't ask either sons about their great great grand father regarding why some hate him so much, however I did ask about the "god" issue as portrayed by Rastafarians and they admit they are miffed as to why Rastafarians see him as a god much less to worship, If memory serves me right, when Selassie visited Jamaica he was also shocked about the status he held among Rastafarians, however he showed appreciation and allocated the Rastafarians land back in his country. Some locals were not pleased with this as they saw it as strangers getting preferential treatment above them in their own country.

Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalians have asked me why Jamaicans revere the Emperor and my honest answer was only some Jamaicans revere him as a God like figure and that is more so among Rastafarians as part of their religious beliefs.

They keep repeating to me... but this man have arms and legs like you and he may be an Emperor but not a God!

Question, does Selassie base his God status on the Egyptian method whereby an Egyptian king could promote himself to a God removing himself above and beyond politics? Was it the same here with Selassie or was it given to him by Rastafarians?

**tsophra** · 10-08-2007, 09:58 AM

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all the ethiopeans and eritreans I've met have expressed similar sentiments [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bubble.gif[/img]

**blugiant** · 10-08-2007, 02:01 PM

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Question, does Selassie base his God status on the Egyptian method whereby an Egyptian king could promote himself to a God removing himself above and beyond politics? Was it the same here with Selassie or was it given to him by Rastafarians?

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good qwestian. dat iss natt y dem keep chattinn bout inn link too sheba ann solomon line. dat afrikkan idea dat fram da royaltee lineage cum god. natt much diffance dan moses ann jesus

selassie natt blakk enuff

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