Pay them more if they have black skin

[Suesumba]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by B_P:
[qb] Having taught undergraduates at a historically black university - Howard University, all I can say is that my skin color or the skin color of my former colleagues did not make one iota of difference to my students.

A student will do well or poorly in a given course not because of the appearance of the teacher/professor but rather on how the teacher/professor does his/her job and how serious the student is in learning.

There are now many asian students in our schools but very few asian teacher/professor to teach them. Do they complain and wine about the lack of representation asian teachers in their schools? No. They get down to business and learn. It's time to stop the pathetic excuses and get to work. Show Bill Cosby that he is wrong. [/qb]

thanks for saying that.

[Boricua_papi]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by King dahjah:
[qb]

Originally posted by B_P:
[qb] Having taught undergraduates at a historically black university - Howard University, all I can say is that my skin color or the skin color of my former colleagues did not make one iota of difference to my students.

A student will do well or poorly in a given course not because of the appearance of the teacher/professor but rather on how the teacher/professor does his/her job and how serious the student is in learning.

There are now many asian students in our schools but very few asian teacher/professor to teach them. Do they complain and wine about the lack of representation asian teachers in their schools? No. They get down to business and learn. It's time to stop the pathetic excuses and get to work. Show Bill Cosby that he is wrong. [/qb]

Asians don't face the same tings as blk ppl particularly males.
Many of you seem to not know what it is like to be black male in this world even if you are one.
Asians and blacks are not on the same page.
I'm quite sure Asians don't get pulled over for driving a posh cyaar [/qb]

Dahjah,

You speak as if the unfortunate reality of racism can keep a strong person down. It can't. Besides, students of African descent living in North America by no means have a monopoly on excuses for academic underachievement. Despite underfunding in some poor school districts, roughly ten times the money is spent on the poorest student in the USA compared to a typical student in one of the "lower castes" living in India. Guess who still performs better academically.

This type of disparity is not a matter of intelligence, motivation or any other factor. It is a matter of culture. Unfortunately, there is a perception that a career in athletics, entertainment, or illicit trades is infinitely more desirable among young people in North America than careers requiring academic preparation.

[tonic]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by B_P:
This comment really hits the nail on the head. The student's faces "light up" when the topic of racism is raised in a classroom setting. Now if the student's faces would "light up" if the topic of algebra or science was raised then maybe the abysmal scores in standardized exams that keep many from achieving their full potential would one day be covered under "20th & Early 21st Century Educational History"

Certainly, the fault does not lie exclusively with the students as many bad teachers and ignorant parents exacerbate the problem. However, as long as the biologically nonexistent concept of race remains an excuse rather than a non-issue, then nothing will be resolved. [/QB]

Borica do not blame the black student for ineffectual and racist white teacher. When you have an education system where one half of the all math phd awarded to black students can be trace to the influence of one black professor, this is not about the students but racism. That alone makes me say that they should be paid more if they are black.

[Boricua_papi]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by tonic:
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Originally posted by B_P:
This comment really hits the nail on the head. The student's faces "light up" when the topic of racism is raised in a classroom setting. Now if the student's faces would "light up" if the topic of algebra or science was raised then maybe the abysmal scores in standardized exams that keep many from achieving their full potential would one day be covered under "20th & Early 21st Century Educational History"

Certainly, the fault does not lie exclusively with the students as many bad teachers and ignorant parents exacerbate the problem. However, as long as the biologically nonexistent concept of race remains an excuse rather than a non-issue, then nothing will be resolved. [/qb]

Borica do not blame the black student for ineffectual and racist white teacher. When you have an education system where one half of the all math phd awarded to black students can be trace to the influence of one black professor, this is not about the students but racism. That alone makes me say that they should be paid more if they are black. [/QB]

Perhaps I am being somewhat accusatory about students of African descent. There is much blame to spread about in the broken institutions of learning. However, ineffectual teaching and racist attitudes are not the exclusive domain of "white teachers." Some of the worst teachers that I have had in terms of preparing students for the rigors of college and graduate school happen to have been of African descent.

Certainly role models can be important to students regardless of age and level of educational attainment, I can agree with you on this point. However, the very notion that an individual should receive a higher salary because they are perceived to be a member of an illusory "race' does nothing but breed resentment among others in the teaching profession who may not be part of this "race." Such a practice doesn't even guarantee an improvement in educational effectiveness.

A final point: When the topic of "race' becomes more important than the ultimate well being of the student then one no longer has an educational system on their hands - one has a platform for grievances that cares little if Johnny can read and write.

[Boricua_papi]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by SueSumba:
[qb]

Originally posted by B_P:
[qb] Having taught undergraduates at a historically black university - Howard University, all I can say is that my skin color or the skin color of my former colleagues did not make one iota of difference to my students.

A student will do well or poorly in a given course not because of the appearance of the teacher/professor but rather on how the teacher/professor does his/her job and how serious the student is in learning.

There are now many asian students in our schools but very few asian teacher/professor to teach them. Do they complain and wine about the lack of representation asian teachers in their schools? No. They get down to business and learn. It's time to stop the pathetic excuses and get to work. Show Bill Cosby that he is wrong. [/qb]

thanks for saying that. [/qb]

Nuh prablem Sues. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70365-flirt.gif[/img] Sarry fi di bamind comments bout yuh location....perfection. Ok got dat outtah mi system. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

"You speak as if the unfortunate reality of racism can keep a strong person down"

So only the strong should be educated?

About teaching at the undergrad level,....I did too but I would never make the mistake of equating the behavior of a group that has shown their abillity to beat the odds,by getting that far up the eeducation ladder,with that of those who surely does not habe the motivation in these school system.

The first responsibillity of a school system is to motivate all it's ward eveb nefore it start the process of instruction.

Education is not about those who make it ,it is about every child making it.

Incidentally I don't subscribe to the idea that black teachers should be paid higher.

I was only explaining the possible motivation why the caller suggested thah.

[phoenix]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by King dahjah:
[qb] Black males and females feel more comfortable with their own..[/qb]

It is not about being comfortable, it is about teachers doing the job for which they are paid, and schools providing the facilities/ support for teachers to do a good job, whether teachers are black or not. It is about children learning early from their parents that education is important regardless of the colour of who is infront of the classroom.

Maybe you feel comfortable with black people, Dah, but there are some who see the person first.

Originally posted by King dahjah:
[qb]A Black teacher would also show more compassion pan de yute especially if dem payed well.[/qb]

Being black does not automatically make you a good teacher for a black child. Being black does not mean squat. It does not mean that you are more understanding, more capable, more sensitive toward 'black' issues, more nothing. Compassion? Keep the compassion thanks.

I am black. That does not reveal anything about who I am, nor what I am capable of achieving. Black children need to learn that.

[phoenix]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by K Love:
[qb] The problem is the education system in general, Is corrupt and is tainted with lies to make our history, Excuse me>>>> THEIR history and lessons shine. Maybe teachers need teach truths, and rather than the Opinions of the Authors writing the books[/qb]

Truth is subjective. A good teacher allows his students to ask questions, and to answer them themselves. You are teaching your son to think, and suss things out for himself. More parents should be like you and talk to their children about what they are taught.

Originally posted by K Love:
[qb]I have a son,, Who doesn't have an Option, other than to excell in his studies,Black teacher or not. One parent or 2,,is all irrelavant.
Children should want to go to school,,It's about
time we teach our children the rewards of education, Like can you become a millionare if you follow the right path, it starts and finishes
with school. [/qb]

Thanks for saying this. I did not have an option. My mother decided that I would do well, and it was so [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] .

[Boricua_papi]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by Dr.Dudd:
[qb] "You speak as if the unfortunate reality of racism can keep a strong person down"

So only the strong should be educated?

About teaching at the undergrad level,....I did too but I would never make the mistake of equating the behavior of a group that has shown their abillity to beat the odds,by getting that far up the eeducation ladder,with that of those who surely does not habe the motivation in these school system.

The first responsibillity of a school system is to motivate all it's ward eveb nefore it start the process of instruction.

Education is not about those who make it ,it is about every child making it.

Incidentally I don't subscribe to the idea that black teachers should be paid higher.

I was only explaining the possible motivation why the caller suggested thah. [/qb]

Every student needs to be given the full opportunity to succeed guided by teachers/professors who genuinely care about the welfare of the students. This does not necessarily mean constant hand-holding, stroking of egos, and singing Kumbaya around a camp fire. This is school where students and instructors are bound, in a pact, to learn and succeed. One can lead a horse to water but one can't make it drink. On some level the students need to recognize the importance of education and take steps to learn the material. No one can do this for them. If they don't, one can go the teachers, one can go to the parents, and/or one can go to school counselors to try to address the issues hindering the student's progress but nothing will be accomplished until the students themselves decide to make a change. Perhaps this is their first real lesson in accountability.

[mangoskin]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

what is also happening is that parents aren't doing their job, so the schools and society has to step in.

Take even sex education, in earlier generations parents had to do this, now the schools are teaching it..teachers have to socialize students, and do all sorts of things that are the parent's responsibility..

(you need a fishing license, maybe we need parent license?)

[Suesumba]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by phoenix:
[qb] [Being black does not automatically make you a good teacher for a black child. [/qb]

thanks, a black male teacher called my daughter picky picky head in front of the whole class. that was so caring

[Boricua_papi]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by SueSumba:
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Originally posted by phoenix:
[qb] [Being black does not automatically make you a good teacher for a black child. [/qb]

thanks, a black male teacher called my daughter picky picky head in front of the whole class. that was so caring [/qb]

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Stuff like this really pi$$es me off. Did you report the teacher?

[777]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

what was your daughter doing ....just aking..

[ILP]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

[qb] Having taught undergraduates at a historically black university - Howard University, all I can say is that my skin color or the skin color of my former colleagues did not make one iota of difference to my students.

A student will do well or poorly in a given course not because of the appearance of the teacher/professor but rather on how the teacher/professor does his/her job and how serious the student is in learning.

There are now many asian students in our schools but very few asian teacher/professor to teach them. Do they complain and wine about the lack of representation asian teachers in their schools? No. They get down to business and learn. It's time to stop the pathetic excuses and get to work. Show Bill Cosby that he is wrong. [/qb

I must agree w/you on this one. Educution begins at home and if learning is not stressed, then white, black, green people will not make you want to learn.

[NapiHead327]

Re: Pay them more if they have black skin

Originally posted by B_P:
[qb]
This type of disparity is not a matter of intelligence, motivation or any other factor. It is a matter of culture. Unfortunately, there is a perception that a career in athletics, entertainment, or illicit trades is infinitely more desirable among young people in North America than careers requiring academic preparation. [/qb]

And I think this was exactly K.Dajah's point. For young Black males, there is the perception that (using your words) "a career in athletics, entertainment, or illicit trades is infinitely more desirable among young people". This especially pertains to Black urban boys b/c these ball players, rappers, and drug dealers are the majority of Black men they see who make a lot of money. Therefore, this is who they aspire to be. Maybe if they saw more Black male teachers, and saw that you could make a good living being a teacher (assuming teachers were paid accordingly), then they would aspire to be educators.

I'm not agreeing that Black teachers should be paid more - ALL teachers should be paid more, but I am saying that... Well, let me say this. When I was growing up, I couldn't wait till Thursdays, b/c that was the day The Cosby Show came on. Also, I couldn't wait to get our Jet Magazine in the mail. Not b/c I liked to read the stories, but b/c it meant so much to me to see Black people on TV and in print. It meant so much for me to see that. I remember the Cosby Show and Seseme Street being the only shows on which I saw Black people. So it does mean a lot to a Black child to see Black people doing well and to have Black role models. Bill Cosby was a role model to me not b/c he was on TV, but b/c he was a Doctor (well, he played one on TV), and the same goes w/Clair Huxtable, and all the people in the magazines. Granted, that's not to say education wasn't of the utmost importance at home, b/c it was. My parents STRESSED the importance of my getting good grades and going to college. Also, they suplimented my Caucasian-based public school education w/Afrocentric flashcards, books, workbooks, vidoes, museums, etc. I think the combo of both really helps a Black child become a responsible proud Black adult.