The "educated Negro" gets less and less pleasure out of the Negro church, not on account of its primitiveness and increasing corruption, but because of his preference for the seats of "righteousness" controlled by his oppressor.
iss diss y sum bllk/negroes go to yt church fi git save. sarree but diss mek mi laff
My professor would often say that integration hurt the Black community in so many ways. It hurt the psyche of Black people b/c w/in their community, they had power, pride, strength in numbers, made their own laws, etc. It hurt Black business b/c Black-owned mom & pop stores could no longer compete w/the prices and social allure 'big city' chains.
Your prof has a valid point but I wouldn't have put it quite that way. I would say that we have paid a HEAVY price for integration. Having been raised in a predominantly White community I can tell you....it ain't worth it. What are the advantages of living in an integrated community? I suppose if it is TRULY integrated with an equal balance between the races that might work but other than that look forward to having your son's beat up and called the ne word every day, your daughter's completely shunned and ignored when it comes to dating and YOU can look forward to being denied jobs for which you are well qualified and passed over for promotions.
black customers dont see colour when the are thinking about how to make their money work for them. I know I dont.
And this is PRECISELY the problem in our community. We DON'T think about it. We blindly give our money to companies that mistreat Black employees, refuse to hire or promote qualified candidates and have advertising campaigns that are LILY white.
Blugiant so ALL Black people who go to White churches are going there because they want to be among the righteous Poppy cock!!
I go to a predominantly white church. I would LOVE to go to a predominantly Black church and believe you me, I have tried. If there were a vibrant evangelical Black church that was not Pentecostal I would happily attend. When I went back and lived in Jamaica, there was quite a variety in the styles of worship and it was easy to find a church that had a style with which I was comfortable. Personally, I just can't take the style of worship in the Black churches here. The 2 1/2 - 3 hour services, the praise and worship that goes for OVER AN HOUR WHILE STANDING , the songs that drag on AND ON AND ON for 15 minutes, the sermons of over an hour, THE NOISE!!!! Do you realize that I have to wear earplugs and even then I have NO difficulty hearing everything that is being said. Before you jump on me about it, it was the son of a Black Pentecostal minister who suggested that to me. (Hot looking guy former football player who ALAS is married....you guessed it to ...nevah mind... won't go there.) I also find that, all too often, the sermons just aren't relevant. What's the point of going on and on about heavenly matters and never addressing the very real struggles that people confront in their daily lives and how the Bible principles can help you deal with them? It does NOTHING for me.
Anyway, I am not putting it down. A LOT of people enjoy that style of worship but it ain't for me. Why is it SO hard to understand that this is not everyone's cup of tea? Why the need to put people down just because they are not comfortable with a particular style of worship? Do you think that people should force themselves to go to a Black church even if they are not comfortable with the sytle of worship in the Black churches in their area?
Originally posted by NapiHead327:
[qb] I remember this passage vividly. I used it in my thesis for graduation.
When discussing it in class, several arguments were presented.
Woodson's statement can be seen as the elitest's 'basis' for integration. Why should the educated, accomplished, talented 10th be subjected to the dirty neighborhoods of the Black community, the unequipped schools, the backwards/backwoods churches, etc.
NOTE - I am not saying this is my view, just one presented during discussion.
My professor would often say that integration hurt the Black community in so many ways. It hurt the psyche of Black people b/c w/in their community, they had power, pride, strength in numbers, made their own laws, etc. It hurt Black business b/c Black-owned mom & pop stores could no longer compete w/the prices and social allure 'big city' chains.
Any thoughts??? [/qb]
dat a two a bigg disscussion iff mi fi goo into dat. macolm x go into itt when him chat bout da too deffarent thinkin pon bllk freedom. also garvey versus dubois [/qb]
Don't forget Booker T. Washington vs. Dubois [/qb]
booket t garvey spiritual mentor. no wonda dubois had prablem wid dem too dark skinned bllk men [/qb]
i thought it was the other way round. garvey had a problem with light-skinned blacks like dubois.
Originally posted by Tropicana:
[qb] Dubois didn't have a problem with light skinned Blacks. He WAS a light skinned Black. To the best of my recollection, Garvey used to attack him. [/qb]
Okay. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] I see what you mean.
I read it as "i thought it was the other way round. garvey had a problem with light-skinned blacks like dubois had a problem with light skinned Blacks."
I see now tha you meant "i thought it was the other way round. garvey had a problem with light-skinned blacks like dubois.
My professor would often say that integration hurt the Black community in so many ways. It hurt the psyche of Black people b/c w/in their community, they had power, pride, strength in numbers, made their own laws, etc. It hurt Black business b/c Black-owned mom & pop stores could no longer compete w/the prices and social allure 'big city' chains.
Any thoughts???
“The Federal Government’s essential duties include defending the United States from foreign aggression and terrorism, representing U.S. interests abroad, enforcing laws and regulations, and administering domestic programs and agencies.”
Our government and governments around the world are unfair. They are now, and they have been since the beginning of time.
That said, the U.S. constitution, and form of government that we have inherited, is a wonderful thing. It IS a melting pot. And the way the system works for everyone, is that in the form of democracy that has come down to us, there is opportunity for everyone, to evolve and to shape their own lives. It may not be perfect (yet), but it is the best place in the world to find one’s self. Our government, at its best, provides everyone an opportunity to find themselves a spot in the marketplace. The government is not there to take care of you. They can’t make you be a good student, or a hard and clever worker. But the opportunity is really there. Workers around the world know this, and flock to the U.S. to participate.
Originally posted by mountaingal:
[qb] i thought it was the other way round. garvey had a problem with light-skinned blacks like dubois. [/qb]
yu meen yu neva kno dat. woo yu tink da talented tenth was suppose fi bee. mi figet wen him w.e chat bout monkey shine fi describe garvey leadership. nexx ting yu aggo sey iss dat yu neva kno dat w.e invole in garvey demise
Originally posted by mountaingal:
[qb] i thought it was the other way round. garvey had a problem with light-skinned blacks like dubois. [/qb]
yu meen yu neva kno dat. woo yu tink da talented tenth was suppose fi bee. mi figet wen him w.e chat bout monkey shine fi describe garvey leadership. nexx ting yu aggo sey iss dat yu neva kno dat w.e invole in garvey demise [/qb]
from what i've read about garvey's demise, a lot of it seems to have been brought on by the man himself, out of naivete and hubris.
hmmmm...i can see that it's probable that dubois may have, out of jealousy, been moved to use shade to belittle garvey. after all, garvey had the populist touch - not to say that dubois aspired to be the same kind of man of the people, being the intellectual type.
however, i hear garvey had his doubts that the social privilege enjoyed by many lighter coloured blacks would make them truly sympathetic to black nationalist goals. i've wondered if he wasn't suffering from a little inferiority complex himself, garvey.
Originally posted by Tropicana:
[qb] Dubois didn't have a problem with light skinned Blacks. He WAS a light skinned Black. To the best of my recollection, Garvey used to attack him. [/qb]
so yu meen dat a 1/2 black mann whey sey dat im bllk but like fi chat bout imm aristocratic yt half no ave prablem wid light skinned bllk
DuBois realized that for Africans could be free anywhere, they must be free everywhere. He therefore decided to hold another Pan-African meeting in 1921. While this one was better organized, he was dealt double trouble. First, following the war, "a political and social revolution, economic upheaval and depression, national and racial hatred made a setting in which any such movement was entirely out of the Question." More importantly, however, was the encounter with the astonishing Marcus Garvey.
"Unlike DuBois, Garvey was able to gain mass support and had tremendous appeal." He established the Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA) for the purpose of uniting Africa and her descendants. He instituted the visionary concept of buying ships for overseas trade and travel; he issued forth uncompromising orations on race relations and inspiration ("Up you mighty people. You can accomplish what you will!"); and held pageants and parades through "Harlems" with red, black, and green liberation flags flying (The colors symbolizes the skin, the blood, and the hopes and growth potential of Black people. The green is also symbolic of the earth.). His methodology was refreshing and inspiring. And it was in direct contrast to the intellectual style of DuBois.
DuBois' first efforts were to explain away the Garvey movement and ignore it . But it was a mass movement and could not be ignored.
Later, when Garvey began to collect money for his steamship line, DuBois characterized him as "a hard-working idealist, but his methods are bombastic, wasteful, illogical and almost illegal." Marcus Garvey, choosing to ignore the critiques of DuBois, continued with his undertakings until charges of fraud were brought forth against him. He was imprisoned and upon his release, he was exiled from the United States. He died in 1941.
The conflict between the two men was amplified by the white press. It also served to debilitate the progress of the future planned Pan-African Congress. Nevertheless, DuBois held his conference in 1923, and as expected the turnout was small.
When the conference was concluded, he set sail for Africa for the first time. During the trip through "the eternal world of Black folk" he made a characteristic observation–"The world brightens as it darkens." His racial romanticism was given free reign as he wrote–"The spell of Africa is upon me ..."
Ideology Change
Returning home from his African experience, DuBois had a chance to reflect upon his past. DuBois noted how America tactically side-stepped the issues of color, and how his approach of "educate and agitate" appeared to fall on deaf ears. He felt that his ideological approach to the "problem of the twentieth century" had to be revised.
The Russian Revolution of 1917 illuminated and made clear the change in his basic thought. The revolution concerned itself with the problem of poverty. "Russia was trying to put into the hands of those people who do the world's work the power to guide and rule the state for the best welfare of the masses." DuBois' trip to Russia in 1927, his learning about Marx and Engles, his seeing the beginning of a new nation form with regard to class, prompted him to say–"My day in Russia was the day of communist beginnings."
"He could no longer support integration as present tactics and relegated it to a long range goal. Unable to trust white politicians, white capitalists of white workers he invested everything in the segregated socialized economy." (Shades of Washingtonianism?) His ideology carried over to his editorials in the Crisis magazine.
By 1930 he had become thoroughly convinced that the basic policies and ideals of the NAACP must be modified and/or discarded. There were two alternatives:
Change the board of directors of the NAACP (who were mostly white) so as to substitute a group which agreed with his program.
LEAVE THE ORGANIZATION.
By 1933 DuBois decided his financial, organizational and ideological battles with the NAACP were unendurable, and he recommended that the Crisis suspend its operation. (The Crisis magazine, however, is still in existence today.
My professor would often say that integration hurt the Black community in so many ways. It hurt the psyche of Black people b/c w/in their community, they had power, pride, strength in numbers, made their own laws, etc. It hurt Black business b/c Black-owned mom & pop stores could no longer compete w/the prices and social allure 'big city' chains.
Any thoughts???
“The Federal Government’s essential duties include defending the United States from foreign aggression and terrorism, representing U.S. interests abroad, enforcing laws and regulations, and administering domestic programs and agencies.”
Our government and governments around the world are unfair. They are now, and they have been since the beginning of time.
That said, the U.S. constitution, and form of government that we have inherited, is a wonderful thing. It IS a melting pot. And the way the system works for everyone, is that in the form of democracy that has come down to us, there is opportunity for everyone, to evolve and to shape their own lives. It may not be perfect (yet), but it is the best place in the world to find one’s self. Our government, at its best, provides everyone an opportunity to find themselves a spot in the marketplace. The government is not there to take care of you. They can’t make you be a good student, or a hard and clever worker. But the opportunity is really there. Workers around the world know this, and flock to the U.S. to participate. [/qb]
apply for her prof's job.
as a matter of fact, I think that about sums up the topic of the thread(miseducating blacks).
a myopic prof in a black school misguiding the students into somehow thinking that being closed off from society is best for them.
hip-hop is a billion dollar industry, but it could hardly be sustained if blacks were the only people buying the music, art and clothing.
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Poppy cock!!
, the songs that drag on AND ON AND ON for 15 minutes, the sermons of over an hour, THE NOISE!!!! 
...nevah mind... won't go there.) I also find that, all too often, the sermons just aren't relevant. What's the point of going on and on about heavenly matters and never addressing the very real struggles that people confront in their daily lives and how the Bible principles can help you deal with them? It does NOTHING for me. 
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