Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

[Dyoll_73]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They can't read English or any international language.


So if the food need to be mixed or water added, they won't be able to read and understand it. </div></div>

I wonder. The article said water and &quot;ready to eat meals.&quot; The items they're talking about don't require literacy or even any preparation other than opening them. If I'm starving, and some ready to eat food drop from the sky in front of me, I don't need to know the language on the label to know I should go ahead and eat it. The more I think about it, I would have to go with 'shock'. </div></div>

if anything, shock and unfamiliarity. MREs, which I would be willing to bet is what were dropped, are indeed ready to go right out of the pouch.

you can heat them, but it's not necessary, they are just as the acronym suggests- MEALS READY to EAT. you don't have to mix them with anything other than what they come with- sauces etc are all included.

to be honest, they may have looked like they didn't know what to do with them- at first. But I'm sure the issue was resolved very quickly.</div></div>

That's what I'm thinking too.

With a disaster on the scale of Haiti's, where food is needed like yesterday, the immediate concern has to be providing food that is literally &quot;ready to eat&quot; with no preparation other than opening the package - so it would seem to me. Just today, I read that the World Food Program will be sending in packages of 'nutri-biscuits' and water. People will only need to open the packages and eat. Not even literacy is required here.

[rudemonk]

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dr....please man...

we are talking about a population that had people making dirt cookies as a matter of course...many of whom made a cottage industry out of the last US military deployment's MRE <span style="font-style: italic">discards</span>.

now they are confused by meals in pouches? they don't know what to do because there aren't 'instructions' in creole? They won't eat something because it's not yummy? are you on frakking crack?

i mean, what are you going to say next I haven't a clue but it's been priceless these last few days, if it weren't so goddamn tragic.

my god man, you alone seem to know how to successfully deploy a massive relief mission, manage multi-national assistance, operate an air field, build earthquake proof housing, hide fault lines after they've been taught in grade school geology, perform field surgery with a bic pen and toothpaste, what are you doing here mangling posts on ja.com telling us poor plebes.

i have an idea, next time you have the urge to post, type this instead, into your phone.

“YELE” TO 501501.

Do that every time you are about to post for god's sakes. Or join a medical mission and really make a difference.

[rudemonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the &quot;energy biscuits&quot; they are giving out have an expiry date of november 2010 </div></div>

seveen- some of my team are haitian. from various twitter feeds and such I know what you are referring to. what is happening is that there are a lot of rumours, one such rumour was of this issue, but what was happening was that people were confusing the date of manufacture with the expiration.

i don't think the HEBs distro'd by the WFP sit around for long periods of time...

[Dyoll_73]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You go with shock because you don't understand what shock is. It is temporary.
this is days after the disaster, the whole crown would not be suffering shock so many days after the disaster to the point where they open the food and too shocked to eat it.
that is illogical.
The human body cannot survive shock for so many hours. They would bedead.
Since during shock, a lot of your systems are completely shutdown and the rest is functioning at their maximum, just to save your life.
this cannot go on for long,or it destroy the system sthat are shut down, from lack of oxygen and injure the systens that are working overtime.
I mean who would really come up with such a decision after any amount of thought??
I happen in third world countries where the people doe not read in an international language.</div></div>

That's quite an analysis you gave there. Perhaps you should be in Haiti coordinating activities on the ground there, don't you think?

Anyway, you did notice that I put the word 'shock' in inverted commas above, did you?

[Gen]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

mo man unnu killing me in yah

[Dyoll_73]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> mo man unnu killing me in yah </div></div>

So you've been following the postings of Ja.com's resident expert/'renaissance man'. Very amusing. I think he should put his talents to better use.

Tell me this: if you haven't eaten for three or four days, and suddenly water and nutri-biscuits start dropping from the sky, would tastiness be your first consideration? Would you have to be able to read in order to eat it?

No need to answer. those were rhetorical questions.

[Dr.Dudd]

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Not if the biscuits are rancid...

[sistacaf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but what was happening was that people were confusing the date of manufacture with the expiration. </div></div>

right. the date of manufacture was 2008, ppl were mistaking that for the expiry date, so thought it was spoiled food. they showed both dates on camera, while explaining the confusion

modern MRE's are indeed 'ready' to eat, but they do taste like a.z.z. i can imagine them not tasting good atall to the Haitian ppl, but they did <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> drop ancient rancid food to the people. stupidness. :smdh:

fruit, cheese, and other fresh foods are completely non-useable in emergencies. not portable, inefficient, heavy, and can't be packed, transported, nor air-dropped. 'nutritional cardboard' like MRE's and energy bars are the only efficient, packable and transportable items that can practically be used in high volume for air-dropping lifesaving nutrition in an emmergency.

the DR isn't absent, they opened their air and seaports to accept supply shipments, and they're sending them, emergency shelters, mobile kitchens, and people overland cause nothing can get thru via air, sea, or road to Port au Prince. until they can get supplies thru the roads, these emergency rations are what can keep ppl alive for a few days til mobile kitchens get set up with fresh foods.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34829978/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/

&quot;<span style="font-style: italic">Aid delivery was still bogged down by congestion at the Port-au-Prince airport &amp; quake damage at the seaport.

The problems at the overloaded airport forced a big Red Cross aid mission to strike out overland from Santo Domingo, almost 200 miles away in the Dominican Republic. The convoy included up to 10 trucks carrying temporary shelters, a 50-bed field hospital and some 60 medical specialists.

&quot;It's not possible to fly anything into Port-au-Prince right now. The airport is completely congested,&quot; Red Cross spokesman Paul Conneally said from the Dominican capital.

Another convoy from the Dominican Republic steered toward a U.N. base in Port-au-Prince without stopping</span>&quot;


i gotta agree, after 5 days i'd eat <span style="font-style: italic">anything</span> provided at that point just for strength, tastin good or not.

[Seveen]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dr....please man...

we are talking about a population that had people making dirt cookies as a matter of course...many of whom made a cottage industry out of the last US military deployment's MRE <span style="font-style: italic">discards</span>.

now they are confused by meals in pouches? they don't know what to do because there aren't 'instructions' in creole? They won't eat something because it's not yummy? are you on frakking crack?

i mean, what are you going to say next I haven't a clue but it's been priceless these last few days, if it weren't so goddamn tragic.

my god man, you alone seem to know how to successfully deploy a massive relief mission, manage multi-national assistance, operate an air field, build earthquake proof housing, hide fault lines after they've been taught in grade school geology, perform field surgery with a bic pen and toothpaste, what are you doing here mangling posts on ja.com telling us poor plebes.

i have an idea, next time you have the urge to post, type this instead, into your phone.

“YELE” TO 501501.

Do that every time you are about to post for god's sakes. Or join a medical mission and really make a difference. </div></div>

[H_O]

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funny thing is, there was never mention of Haiti around here until the earthquake, yet it was a country in turmoil and despair from way before.
But then everyone has to jump on the bleeding heart humanitarium bandwagon.

when the news story becomes page 30, and CNN leave,,everyone forgets.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">funny thing is, there was never mention of Haiti around here until the earthquake, yet it was a country in turmoil and despair from way before.
But then everyone has to jump on the bleeding heart humanitarium bandwagon.

when the news story becomes page 30, and CNN leave,,everyone forgets.
</div></div>That is not true. I have regularly posted topics on haiti on this site.
My last topic wass posted a fee days before the quake.
The problem is that they do not attract much reaction Even if they are proven intresting due to the number of reading hits.

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's what I'm thinking too.

With a disaster on the scale of Haiti's, where food is needed like yesterday, the immediate concern has to be providing food that is literally &quot;ready to eat&quot; with no preparation other than opening the package - so it would seem to me. Just today, I read that the World Food Program will be sending in packages of 'nutri-biscuits' and water. People will only need to open the packages and eat. Not even literacy is required here. </div></div>
At 1:15 in this video, Haitians are throwing away ready to eat biscuits. The Haitians think that the biscuits are old, with expired dates.

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[Dr.Dudd]

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It is not the date that they are complaining about.
It is the taste.
You can see that they open the packages and then discard it'd contents.
Otherwise they would not have bothered to open the package.
They would simply discard it after looking at the date.

High protein food is very difficult to maintain taste and flavour.
In addition some of t ingredients react to temperature difference to give it a somewhat rancid taste.
This is a known complaint.
It is very difficult to swallow rancid food.
Since the body automatically revolt, and will result in instant vomiting gin some people.
It is not that they don;'t want to eat it.
It is very difficult to swallow food in which condensation cause the fats to break down just mildly.
that is what cause the rancid taste.

[rudemonk]

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[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

Did you watch the video Dr? The distributor clearly says that the Haitians believe that the writing says the buscuits are old, and not that they taste rancid.

It seems to me that it would be beyond contempt, and reason, for aid givers to claw their way into a horrible disaster, and then pass out food that tastes terrible.