Most gays are pervert

[blugiant]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by blugiant:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
If they had a category for 'heterosexual' why didn't they have a category for 'homosexual'? If you have one, you see, you must have the other since there is a dialectical relationship between the two.

yu dialectical reasoning noh right. de african neva had de names of de white gods before de pervert homosexual priests went to africa, just like dem neva had no word fi homosexuals. why yu tink dem pedophile white priests used to kidnap young african males fi indoctrinate dem inna dem slackness. [/qb]

Do you have evidence for this last claim?

Let me be clear, homosexuality and heterosexuality exist in a dialectical relationship; neither concept can exist without the other. If you have no word for homosexuality then you cannot have a word for heterosexuality. If you don't have a word, then you can't have the concept.

This is completely ignoring your reification of Africa and Africans. [/qb]

yu like fi mek statements whey yu caan back up. yu caan prove dat homosexuality existed in africa before de pervert white priests went dere. after dem pervert white homosexual priests went to africa. dat a de furst time yu hear bout homosexual. yu logic is invalid cause yu still caan prove dat de african had a word fi homosexuals before de white people got dere.
rebel link if yu read it careful point to me being right. me like how de white writers dem tri fi mek de case fi homosexuality in africa by tekking tings out of context. dem neva sey dat dem evidences come from after de white homosexual priest go down africa. but if yu read carefully dem sey de absence of evidence should not be taken as absense of evidence, but rather a absense of research. dem still caan prove dat homosexuality existed so dem a search fi evidence fi tri prove it. funny how sum people like fi chat bout myth wen dem caan disprove simting. yu dialectical reasoning is wrong in regard to africa.

de evidence fi back up mi last claim ago surprise yu. inna rebel link den talk bout de book of water and spirit. mi read dat book dat how mi know dat dem white writers a tek tings out a context. de author of de book sey dat him was one of de black boys whey de church kidnap and tri fi brainwash him so him could spread de white man religion. yu see dem white homosexual priests kidnap dem young african boys from dem families. whey yu believe the white pervert do to dem black youths? after dem white homosexuals went to africa den yu start fi hear bout homosexuals' prostitutes.

[Fledgist]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Originally posted by Trelli:
[qb] Fledgist, u just stated rebel's excerpt from the same webpage is an excellent post. read all that's on that webpage. it includes all regions of africa.

btw u r a very dogmatic person and I really dont want to get into a debate with u because u will never accept evidence presented once they r contrary to your own beliefs. I've learned that from a previous thread. [/qb]

You really think I mirror you? I don't recall sending you private messages containing insults...

[Fledgist]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Originally posted by blugiant:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by blugiant:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
If they had a category for 'heterosexual' why didn't they have a category for 'homosexual'? If you have one, you see, you must have the other since there is a dialectical relationship between the two.

yu dialectical reasoning noh right. de african neva had de names of de white gods before de pervert homosexual priests went to africa, just like dem neva had no word fi homosexuals. why yu tink dem pedophile white priests used to kidnap young african males fi indoctrinate dem inna dem slackness. [/qb]

Do you have evidence for this last claim?

Let me be clear, homosexuality and heterosexuality exist in a dialectical relationship; neither concept can exist without the other. If you have no word for homosexuality then you cannot have a word for heterosexuality. If you don't have a word, then you can't have the concept.

This is completely ignoring your reification of Africa and Africans. [/qb]

yu like fi mek statements whey yu caan back up. yu caan prove dat homosexuality existed in africa before de pervert white priests went dere. after dem

{Fledgist: But si mi dyin trial! I'm pointing out the logical inconsistency of your argument. I can't prove that homosexuality existed in Africa, nor that heterosexuality existed, nor that bisexuality existed, nor that all African children were brought by the stork because I don't have any social data on precolonial Africa. Nor can you. It would help, though if you could tell me when the 'pervert white priests' arrived.}

pervert white homosexual priests went to africa. dat a de furst time yu hear bout homosexual. yu logic is invalid cause yu still caan prove dat de african had a word fi homosexuals before de white people got dere.


{Fledgist: If they didn't have a word for homosexuals, they didn't have a word for heterosexuals either.}

rebel link if yu read it careful point to me being right. me like how de white writers dem tri fi mek de case fi homosexuality in africa by tekking tings out of context. dem neva sey dat dem evidences come from after de white homosexual priest go down africa. but if yu read carefully

{Fledgist: Perhaps you could provide a source proving that there were no homosexuals in Africa before 'white homosexual priests' arrived there. I'll wait.}

dem sey de absence of evidence should not be taken as absense of evidence, but rather a absense of research. dem still caan prove dat homosexuality existed so dem a search fi evidence fi tri prove it. funny how sum people like fi chat bout myth wen dem caan disprove simting. yu dialectical reasoning is wrong in regard to africa.


{Fledgist: All you have to do is provide incontrovertible documentary proof that prior to the arrival of 'white homosexual priests', there were no homosexuals in Africa. Perhaps you could also provide the evidence that homosexuality is catching.)

de evidence fi back up mi last claim ago surprise yu. inna rebel link den talk bout de book of water and spirit. mi read dat book dat how mi know dat dem white writers a tek tings out a context. de author of de book sey dat him was one of de black boys whey de church kidnap and tri fi brainwash him so him could spread de white man religion. yu see dem white homosexual priests kidnap dem young african boys from dem families. whey yu believe the white pervert do to dem black youths? after dem white homosexuals went to africa den yu start fi hear bout homosexuals' prostitutes. [/qb]

*Sigh*

All you have to do is provide concrete proof that there was no homosexuality in Africa prior to the arrival of these 'white pervert'. Given the nature of your argument, there also doesn't seem to have been any heterosexuality in Africa.

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: Most gays are pervert

I've read recently that in all cultures, over all times, that an individual's sexuality will be somewhere on a spectrum that runs from one end to the other. Some males are 80% male and 20% female. Or 63% to 37%. Fewer males would be 20% male and 80% female, but it happens all the time, and for always, and in both sexes.

I was at a friends recently, and my friends daughter, who is a freshmen in college, said to him, "....oh Dad, you are a feminine man. Not like Mr. Whoever."

No one blinked.

_

[blugiant]

Re: Most gays are pervert

wen de sum writers provided de proof dem call dem anti-homosexuals. wen dem homosexuals caan disprove de writers's argument dat dere was no homosexuality in africa before de whites arrived dem sey it is myth and if since dem caan disprove it only mean dat dem noh do enuff research yet. dem perverted logic mek mi laff. mi laff wen sum people sey dat dere was no hetroseuals in africa. mi wonder how dem did reproduce

[Trelli]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Originally posted by Fledgist:
You really think I mirror you? I don't recall sending you private messages containing insults...

mirror me! do not make me laugh!

if u remember the thread clearly, u kept asking for evidence which i kept providing. u took it as hogwash when it didn't agree with u. I asked u to move on. when u didn't I had to PM u to get lost(in a manner of speaking). It was then that u stopped.

[Fledgist]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Originally posted by blugiant:
[qb] wen de sum writers provided de proof dem call dem anti-homosexuals. wen dem homosexuals caan disprove de writers's argument dat dere was no homosexuality in africa before de whites arrived dem sey it is myth and if since dem caan disprove it only mean dat dem noh do enuff research yet. dem perverted logic mek mi laff. mi laff wen sum people sey dat dere was no hetroseuals in africa. mi wonder how dem did reproduce [/qb]

In other words, you have no evidence but verbiage.

[Fledgist]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Originally posted by Trelli:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
You really think I mirror you? I don't recall sending you private messages containing insults...

mirror me! do not make me laugh!

if u remember the thread clearly, u kept asking for evidence which i kept providing. u took it as hogwash when it didn't agree with u. I asked u to move on. when u didn't I had to PM u to get lost(in a manner of speaking). It was then that u stopped. [/qb]

As I recall it, when asked for evidence you kept making apodeictic assertions.

[Trelli]

Re: Most gays are pervert

blugiant, Fledgist has a warped sence of logic. if something doesn't go the way he wants it to then that something must be illogical.

[Trelli]

Re: Most gays are pervert

apodeictic assertions?

what does that mean?
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Definition: [adj] (logic) of a proposition; necessarily true or logically certain

from www.Hyperdictionary.com .

so u r in effect saying my evidence was 'logical certainties' ?

I am confused here...

[fiver]

Re: Most gays are pervert

de evidence fi back up mi last claim ago surprise yu. inna rebel link den talk bout de book of water and spirit. mi read dat book dat how mi know dat dem white writers a tek tings out a context. de author of de book sey dat him was one of de black boys whey de church kidnap and tri fi brainwash him so him could spread de white man religion. yu see dem white homosexual priests kidnap dem young african boys from dem families. whey yu believe the white pervert do to dem black youths? after dem white homosexuals went to africa den yu start fi hear bout homosexuals' prostitutes.

well lets hear from the author of the book you read. he has some inciteful things to say about gays and lesbians and how they were revered as the traditional gatekeepers.

he also explains that for his people, those who we call gay were not defined as such simply because their sexual orientation was not an issue worth defining them by.

going by his words, if the white priests brought anything, it was modern homophobia.

The whole notion of "gay" does not exist in the indigenous world. That does not mean that there are not people there who feel the way that certain people feel in this culture, that has led to them being referred to as "gay."

The reason why I’m saying there are no such people is because the gay person is very well integrated into the community, with the functions that delete this whole sexual differentiation of him or her. The gay person is looked at primarily as a "gatekeeper." The Earth is looked at, from my tribal perspective, as a very, very delicate machine or consciousness, with high vibrational points, which certain people must be guardians of in order for the tribe to keep its continuity with the gods and with the spirits that dwell there. Spirits of this world and spirits of the other worlds. Any person who is at this link between this world and the other world experiences a state of vibrational consciousness which is far higher, and far different, from the one that a normal person would experience. This is what makes a gay person gay.

Now, gay people have children. Because they’re fertile, just like normal people. How I got to know that they were gay was because on arriving in this country and seeing the serious issues surrounding gay people, I began to wonder it does not exist in my own country. When I asked one of them, who tad taken me to the threshold of the Otherworld, whether he feels sexual attraction towards another man, he jumped back and said, "How do you know that?!" He said, "This is our business as gatekeepers." And, yet he had a wife and children -- no problem, you see.

So to then limit gay people to simple sexual orientation is really the worst harm that can be done to a person. That all he or she is is a sexual person. And, personally, because of the fact that my knowledge of indigenous medicine, ritual, comes from gatekeepers, it’s hard for me to take this position that gay people are the negative breed of a society. No! In a society that is profoundly dysfunctional, what happens is that peoples’ life purposes are taken away, and what is left is this kind of sexual orientation which, in turn, is disturbing to the very society that created it.

I think this is again victimization by a Christian establishment that is looking at a gay person as a disempowered person, a person who has lost his job from birth onward, and now society just wants to fire him out of life. This is not justice. It’s not justice. It is a terrible harm done to an energy that could save the world, that could save us. If, today, we are suffering from a gradual ecological waste, this is simply because the gatekeepers have been fired from their job. They have been fired! They have nothing to do! And because they have been fired, we accuse them for not doing anything. This is not fair!

What keeps a village together is a handful of "gays and lesbians," as they call them in the modern world. In my village, lesbians are called witches, and gay men are known as the gatekeepers. These are the two only known secret societies. These are the only groups that will get together as a separate group and go out into the woods secretly to do whatever they do. And if they find you during their yearly symposium, they have the right to kill you.

This constantly- reiterated discomfort and hatred for the gay person is again another indication that every year we might as well be prepared for the apocalyptic moment when the stars start to fall to the earth.

Ask the Dogon, they will tell you that. The Dogon. They’re a tribe that understands this so well, it’s amazing, mind-boggling. And it is a tribe that knows astrology like no other tribe that I have encountered. And the great astrologers of the Dogon are gay. They are gay. There is a dull planet that, in its orbit, is directly above the Dogon village every 58 years. Who knows that, but the gay people.

I mean, I’m not just trying to make gay people look fine. This is the truth, man! I’m trying to save my ***!

Why is it that, everywhere else in the world, gay people are a blessing, and in the modern world they are a curse? It is self-evident. The modern world was built by Christianity. They have taken the gods out of the earth sent them to heaven, wherever that is. And everyone who aspires to the gods must then negotiate with Christianity, so that the real priests and priestesses are out of a job. This is the worst thing that can happen to a culture that calls itself modern.

excerpts from:

Gays: Guardians of the Gates

[Trelli]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Like I said before, if there is any truth to this about homosexual/bisexual prevalence in African tribal cultures there is no great wonder as to why AIDS is so big there.

wherever there is thriving homosexual/bisexual practices there is also high rates of HIV/AIDS.

plain and simple.

How does one practise such an abnormal act and expect not to spawn a deadly virus?

Incest causes deformed children to be spawned.

why wouldn't homosexuals spawn HIV/AIDS?

Until some scientist decides to research the origins/causes of the virus while ignoring the stupid political influences they would find the cure.

This nonsence that some have spouted in regards to monkeys with a similar virus is only that, nonsence. until now they have shown no connections between chimps and HIV. only theories.

and I do not accept the popular rumour that some mad scientist spawned the virus in his lab to get rid of a race of people. there is no evidence supporting that claim either.

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until people stop playing politics and start looking at the issue honestly will we solve the scourge of AIDS!

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[fiver]

Re: Most gays are pervert

Like I said before, if there is any truth to this about homosexual/bisexual prevalence in African tribal cultures there is no great wonder as to why AIDS is so big there.

wherever there is thriving homosexual/bisexual practices there is also high rates of HIV/AIDS.

plain and simple.

your arguments lack a certain clarity. on one hand you support blugiant when he says gays never existed in traditional African societies.

on the other hand you seem to say the possible prevalence of gays in tribal African cultures must be responsible for the AIDS epidemic.

these positions, taken together, while simple, are hardly plain.

How does one practise such an abnormal act and expect not to spawn a deadly virus?

Incest causes deformed children to be spawned.

why wouldn't homosexuals spawn HIV/AIDS?

pens use blue ink.

how can smurfs be blue and not contain ink?

wouldn't smurfs make ideal writing implements?

Until some scientist decides to research the origins/causes of the virus while ignoring the stupid political influences they would find the cure.

more scientists. less politics. sounds good to me.

This nonsence that some have spouted in regards to monkeys with a similar virus is only that, nonsence. until now they have shown no connections between chimps and HIV. only theories.

do you have any links on this? really. i am curious about any new research.

if memory serves me correctly some were claiming a possible link to chimpanzee SIV for the HIV-1 strain.

and HIV-2 was similar to SIV in grey monkeys.

perhaps you were also thinking of the live polio vaccine cultured in the kidney cells of monkeys and then distributed as part of WHO's vaccination programs in Africa.

this was a popular theory for the emergence and spread of AIDS.

and I do not accept the popular rumour that some mad scientist spawned the virus in his lab to get rid of a race of people. there is no evidence supporting that claim either.

i think this one was always a far fringe theory supported by Russian claims (later retracted) that there was no way HIV was not an engineered virus.

what is known is that requests were made for funding biological research that destroyed the bodies ability to defend itself.

this research was supposedly carried out at the military research centre in Maryland.

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why does AIDS kill more South Africans than anything else?

why does AIDS kill more Thais than anything else?

why does AIDS kill more teachers in the Central African Republic than anything else?

why does AIDS kill more Jamaicans aged 30-34 than anything else?

why does AIDS kill more people in sub-saharan Africa than anything else?

why is AIDS kill more black men between 25 and 44 years than anything else?

why does AIDS kill more Hispanic children in New York aged 1-4 than anything else?

and out of all these why do you single out gays for special attention?

until people stop playing politics and start looking at the issue honestly will we solve the scourge of AIDS!

it would be nice if people stopped playing politics and were honest, but since thats never gonna happen i hope we solve AIDS regardless.

Moderator's note: Edited to remove unsupported allegations made in thread being responded to. If you have supporting data for the allegations you have made, please post them, or any relevant links, ASAP, or they will be removed as well.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Most gays are pervert

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Please do provide a shred of proof of this specious and blatantly inflammatorily prejudiced statement. I find it as offensive a thing as I've seen here in a while.

Moderator's Note: In the absence of any supporting data/information, allegations connecting the priesthood - or any other groups for that matter - with high incidence of AIDS, the poster's original comments, along with responses to it, have been removed.

My apologies for the delay in editing here. Our corporate WAN (internet access) was down and I was preoccupied with getting us back up and running. Do note the poster has since posted information that supposedly - I have not had the chance to read it - supports her initial statements.

[Trelli]

Re: Most gays are pervert

your arguments lack a certain clarity. on one hand you support blugiant when he says gays never existed in traditional African societies.

on the other hand you seem to say the possible prevalence of gays in tribal African cultures must be responsible for the AIDS epidemic.

these positions, taken together, while simple, are hardly plain.

i stated IF the articles posted by yourself and rebel are true in that Homosexuality is a huge part of tribal culture in africa then there is no great wonder that HIV is so rampant there.
read carefully please.

pens use blue ink.

how can smurfs be blue and not contain ink?

wouldn't smurfs make ideal writing implements?

do you realize what an idiotic statement this is?

why is AIDS kill more black men between 25 and 44 years than anything else?

Do you realize that this is due to the fact that most of those men go to prison and when the do they engage in homosexuality? do you also realize that there is a huge culture of black bisexual men than of any other race living on the 'DL' in america?

check out the number of guys here who say "gender or race not an issue" in seeking intimate partners

http://www.boyzbehindbars.com/connections/prisonpals.html

why does AIDS kill more Jamaicans aged 30-34 than anything else?

please provide the evidence of this