Ganja

[Fledgist]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by Jedi l:
[qb] All of them alter the state of consciousness. You didn't say anything about hallucinations (which can be induced by lack of sleep, btw, so you must be calling for a legal requirement for everyone to sleep every day!).

Food alters ones state of conciousness huh! A wandah is what you eat? As to sleep

{Fledgist: You'd be amazed what a small meal can do for one's state of mind. For that matter, you might want to consider how carbohydrates affect mental processes.}

there is no need to call for a legal requirement, everyone can attest to what happens when the body does not get enough rest. It's either sleep or RIP.


{Fledgist: Yet sleeplessness does cause hallucinations.}

You said 'alters one's state of consciousness'. If you don't understand what you're writing, perhaps you should try not writing
Why bother I can always rely on you to correct me. [/qb]

You might try learning English, it's pretty easy, I'd mastered the language by the time I was a small child.

[Fledgist]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by servant:
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Originally posted by OleGallis:
[qb] I'm dutch seen...the largest amount of THC in our ganja...but tried also others and have never ever see one single hallucination....and never heard of it before....Never heard anyone who had hallucinations due to ganja-use...LSD, XTC etc...yes they'll cause that....ganja...NO! [/qb]

How about its effects on syntax. [/qb]

En jou nederlands spreeke kunt?

[ohliz]

Re: Ganja

:0 Got mine right here, halfway gone now... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

(and you know, it tastes OK but it sure isn't Jamaican coffee!!)

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by ohliz:

...but I don't wnat a doctor to be high on ANYTHING when s/he's doing surgery!

IMHO, if doctors were given the same drug tests that we DEMAND our athletes take, then hundreds of hospitals would be closed across out great nation.

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[servant]

Re: Ganja

IMHO, if doctors were given the same drug tests that we DEMAND our athletes take, then hundreds of hospitals would be closed across out great nation.

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by OleGallis:

Since when? what ganja did you use? I never had any hallucination from ganja...ganja is NO hallucinating drug!!!

Lol!

Generally, when you smoke pot, you stop long before you od (unlike most other mind altering drugs). But if you eat pot, you have a great chance of taking in WAYYYY to much thc, is my impression.

Plus, I have been led to believe that rare idividuals, when they first experience a good pot high, have a pyschotic break. Very rare!

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[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by OleGallis:

Not true! It also affects the fysical status. And for example my wife suffers from rheuma (is that English?) and the ganje relieves her pain by relaxing her muscles!

(No, that's not English), and... so are you saying that people don't smoke and use pot 99.99% for fun, for recreation?

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[servant]

Re: Ganja

You know Forty, this is one of the reasons I just can’t take this ‘ganja - good or bad’ debate too seriously. First of all, you hear so often about the medicinal properties of herb from those who often times simply want to get red themselves. And believe me, if they couldn’t get red from smoking herb, I can assure you that they would be no more interested in advocating for its use than they would be for the use of Tylenol.

As far as the other issue you raised is concerned, people smoked herb all the time where I grew up in Jamaica. Massive pipes shrouding their users in pungent clouds of smoke and filling their eyes with blood. Nobody stole, rioted or killed anyone but little of a productive nature was accomplished at these times - except maybe the pursuit of interminable and for all intents and purposes, impenetrable, “reasonings”. As we grew up and left for distant parts, some made it and some didn’t. Indeed, some of these gentlemen are still engaged in these same arguments that were fueled, so to speak, by weed. But in retrospect, I cannot tell if there was a correlation between its use and these outcomes.

Now to be sure, anyone who has been around regular and heavy users of weed for more than five minutes can attest to the fact that their working memory, ability to think in a linear fashion and their judgment, are all affected to some degree. And if you are genetically so disposed, you can also become….quite mad. I have no opinion on the “research” that Dr. Dudd refers to which may contradict this, other than to say, this has been my personal experience.

The issue is whether it all matters in the end for the majority of users.

It seems to me that the physiological effects of weed are the result of a complex interaction between the hundreds of chemicals that can be found in ganja, your genes and the environment, the nature of which we do not fully understand. And until that is resolved, arguments about whether ganja is “good for you” or “bad for you” are no more enlightening than the “reasonings” to which I referred to before.

Pass the kutchie.

Left hand side please.

[dahjah]

Re: Ganja

onno tek disya argument way furdah denee did spose fe guh.
Mi seh if God created why unno wouldn use ee.
Mi naw talk bout abuse, mi a talk bout tuh yuh benefit. Not about getting high, but about healing.

Is it cah Babylon illegalize ee or is it cah a de propaganda dem feed we an yuh really nuh kno?
Or do you really believe it is an awful plant and should be wiped off de face a de earth?

[Guest]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by Jedi l:
[qb] All of them alter the state of consciousness. You didn't say anything about hallucinations (which can be induced by lack of sleep, btw, so you must be calling for a legal requirement for everyone to sleep every day!).

Food alters ones state of conciousness huh! A wandah is what you eat? As to sleep

{Fledgist: You'd be amazed what a small meal can do for one's state of mind. For that matter, you might want to consider how carbohydrates affect mental processes.}

there is no need to call for a legal requirement, everyone can attest to what happens when the body does not get enough rest. It's either sleep or RIP.


{Fledgist: Yet sleeplessness does cause hallucinations.}

You said 'alters one's state of consciousness'. If you don't understand what you're writing, perhaps you should try not writing
Why bother I can always rely on you to correct me. [/qb]

You might try learning English, it's pretty easy, I'd mastered the language by the time I was a small child. [/qb]

As a matter of fact I believe that as usual you have taken this whole argument and stretched it out of proportion to obsfucate the real facts about the deleterious effects of ganja smoking on human health. Furthermore you can save your breath about my English writing skills as you are no master yourself. And with that said ...Goodbye.

[Fledgist]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by Jedi l:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by Jedi l:
[qb] All of them alter the state of consciousness. You didn't say anything about hallucinations (which can be induced by lack of sleep, btw, so you must be calling for a legal requirement for everyone to sleep every day!).

Food alters ones state of conciousness huh! A wandah is what you eat? As to sleep

{Fledgist: You'd be amazed what a small meal can do for one's state of mind. For that matter, you might want to consider how carbohydrates affect mental processes.}

there is no need to call for a legal requirement, everyone can attest to what happens when the body does not get enough rest. It's either sleep or RIP.


{Fledgist: Yet sleeplessness does cause hallucinations.}

You said 'alters one's state of consciousness'. If you don't understand what you're writing, perhaps you should try not writing
Why bother I can always rely on you to correct me. [/qb]

You might try learning English, it's pretty easy, I'd mastered the language by the time I was a small child. [/qb]

As a matter of fact I believe that as usual you have taken this whole argument and stretched it out of proportion to obsfucate the real facts about the deleterious effects of ganja smoking on human health. Furthermore you can save your breath about my English writing skills as you are no master yourself. And with that said ...Goodbye. [/qb]

I'm no master? When you've published as much as I have, come back and discuss the matter.

I'm hardly obfuscating. You're the one who decided to raise a vague issue. I've been pointing out its vagueness.

If I eat a big meal, for example, I feel sleepy. That means that my consciousness is altered.

[Shefreen Clarke]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by King dahjah:
[qb] What do you think of it? [/qb]

I think it is a great plant. I don't like the hydro stuff, but the one that is grown naturally (in Jamaica) is good stuff.

Originally posted by King dahjah:
[qb]ever used it in any shape or form?
If no why not? [/qb]

Yes I have. I smoke it (either when I lose my appetite, when I rooks, and when I need to relax from school work)
I also drink it and put it in white rum and use it as an ointment.

edited for spelling error

[Trelli]

Re: Ganja

I smoked a cigarrette once(my pregnant friend was going through some emotional probs and wanted her two friends to share some mattahorne that we had gotten from the security guard- we were all 19 yrs old [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ).
well! That single smoke caused me to have really quite horrible sinus problems. before then, I had zero allergies. now molds, dust and closed spaces(with no A/C or opened window) are the worst for me.

I dont think inhaling smoke in one's body is cool at all. btw cigarrettes can lead to impotence.

on ganja itself- an former neighbour of mine had a "laced" spliff once. He's now classified as a schizo.

mood altering things are not cool but i still maintain that if you want to say your policy is freedom, you shouldn't try to lock up people for being stupid and ingesting whatever they want.

[Guest]

Re: Ganja

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by Jedi l:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by Jedi l:
[qb] All of them alter the state of consciousness. You didn't say anything about hallucinations (which can be induced by lack of sleep, btw, so you must be calling for a legal requirement for everyone to sleep every day!).

Food alters ones state of conciousness huh! A wandah is what you eat? As to sleep

{Fledgist: You'd be amazed what a small meal can do for one's state of mind. For that matter, you might want to consider how carbohydrates affect mental processes.}

there is no need to call for a legal requirement, everyone can attest to what happens when the body does not get enough rest. It's either sleep or RIP.


{Fledgist: Yet sleeplessness does cause hallucinations.}

You said 'alters one's state of consciousness'. If you don't understand what you're writing, perhaps you should try not writing
Why bother I can always rely on you to correct me. [/qb]

You might try learning English, it's pretty easy, I'd mastered the language by the time I was a small child. [/qb]

As a matter of fact I believe that as usual you have taken this whole argument and stretched it out of proportion to obsfucate the real facts about the deleterious effects of ganja smoking on human health. Furthermore you can save your breath about my English writing skills as you are no master yourself. And with that said ...Goodbye. [/qb]

I'm no master? When you've published as much as I have, come back and discuss the matter.

I'm hardly obfuscating. You're the one who decided to raise a vague issue. I've been pointing out its vagueness.

If I eat a big meal, for example, I feel sleepy. That means that my consciousness is altered. [/qb]

Yaaaaawwwwwn! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] ..that's why publishing companies have editors so that's not saying anything for your English writing skills

Secondly my point might have been vague in your estimation but it certainly brought out all di weed smokas dem doh [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Thirdly is not because your conciousness was altered is because yuh nyam too much and energy has to be burned in order to digest all the unwanted calories, (therefore this fabulous creation of God-the body) goes into sleep mode (shutting down all other energy burning activities) in order to reserve energy for a more immediate use namely digestion and elimination of all the garbage that was dumped into it, which if not digested could result in incredibly high levels of blood sugar in yuh blood stream which could have sent you into a coma. Yuh lucky seh yuh is not a diabetic Wait on second thought maybe you are a diabetic or at least prediabetic, not too many people fall asleep after ingesting a large meal. Have you had glucose tolerance test lately [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[OleGallis]

Re: Ganja

En jou nederlands spreeke kunt?

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