Who were the Canaanites?

[Mutty]

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The Canaanites appear to have been the ring leaders of perverse behavior in the area Sukuna. The Egyptians, as well as other nations, borrowed practices from the Canaanites. In fact, while I have no proof of this, the Phoenicians are said to have spread the idea of human sacrifice to other nations as far away as Mexico. These may indeed be the very "flat nosed" sailors who sailed upon the Central American shores and left their mark behind on the culture and certain mysterious monuments such as these which obviously do NOT have Central American features:

http://www.anthroarcheart.org/olmec3.htm

As mysterious as they (the Olmecs [probably the very same Phoenicians]) came, it's as myterious as they left. Modern archaeology barely know ANYTHING about them and it's to them the Mayans owe much of their unexplained and unexpected knowledge of the stars and math.

[rufian]

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In all my research, I have constantly come across the term Indo-Europeans, but no Europeans. Had there ever been such a thing? Even the European languages are classified as such.

[Mutty]

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Sukuna, which part of the outfield did that one came from? What does that have to do with the subject at hand babygirl?

[Mutty]

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Oh by the way Rebel, thanks for the links.

[jedi]

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22Ham, the father of Canaan, saw that his father was naked and went outside and told his brothers. 23Shem and Japheth took a robe, held it over their shoulders, walked backward into the tent, and covered their father's naked body. As they did this, they looked the other way so they wouldn't see him naked. 24When Noah woke up from his drunken stupor, he learned what Ham, his youngest son, had done. 25Then he cursed the descendants of Canaan, the son of Ham:

"A curse on the Canaanites!
May they be the lowest of servants
to the descendants of Shem and Japheth."
26Then Noah said,

"May Shem be blessed by the LORD my God;
and may Canaan be his servant.
27
May God enlarge the territory of Japheth,
and may he share the prosperity of Shem;[1]
and let Canaan be his servant."
28Noah lived another 350 years after the Flood. 29He was 950 years old when he died.

Footnotes

9:27 Hebrew may he live in the tents of Shem.

Mutty interesting post above is the biblical account of what took place. One minor correction, as I have always known it, Noah got drunk and took off his clothes, Ham saw his nakedness and laughed, though I don't see where he laughed in any of the other versions, but according to all the versions that I checked none said that "he went into him", which implies had sex with him. He told his brothers, apparently mockingly and the brothers covered up their fathers shame.

Just thought I'd add that part. Carry on.

[Mutty]

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Thanks Jedi. What I have read in the past is that the literal translation is that He [Ham] "saw" or gazed [upon his father] with satisfaction. Just looking seems rather harmless, but for Noah to wake up and realize what his son had done and wake up angry to the point of pronouncing a curse seems like there was something more than just seeing his dad naked. Could have been nothering more than just looking, but the curse seems rather harsh for seeing your dad in his b'day suit.

[rufian]

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Originally posted by Mutty:
[qb]Sukuna, which part of the outfield did that one came from? What does that have to do with the subject at hand babygirl?[/qb]

I am right on the dot man. Feast your eyes, me [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/euro-c.htm

The majority of Europe speaks an Indo-European language that appears to have its roots in a Proto-Language that is believed to have originated between the Caucasus Mountains and ancient Mesopotamia. Caucasian "race of people" is an invention in 1795 by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, a German, who based his conclusion on the beauty of a Georgian female skull found near Mount Caucasus. These people believe the Caucasian people began to fracture about 5,000 B.C. into the Indo-European set of Languages. Linguistic groups may not relate to ethnic and genetic differences. As an example, sickle cell gene is prominent in the Yemenites, Greeks, New Guineans, Thai and Pinkas. Science however suggests there is only one race of people, the 'Human Race'.

CAUCASIC: Caucasian located between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea,

HAMITIC: Berber located mostly in North Africa, they are very closely related to the Semitic language

SEMITIC: Arabic, Maltese and Syrian.

Semite is closely related to Sumerian language, religion and culture. Some contend it is not a different linguistic group. Others argue that Sumerian is neither Semitic nor Indo-European.

Semite means Shem, son of Noah alias Ut-Napishtim the Sumarian, father of Ashur, Aram and Heber and alleged ancestor of the Assyrian, Aramaean. The Sumerian language evolved to Akkadian and then Arabic. The other is an offshoot of these three. Heber is from whom the Jews are called Hebrew. Heber is the son of Sala who is the son of Arphaxad (Chaldeans), son Shem, son Noah according to Flavious Josephus (37-100) the historian.

Canaanite (Cananeo-Phoenician, Eblaites, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites and Amorites) now a dead language,

Hebrew, some contend Hebrew is a sub-language of Canaanite and is a dead language by the beginning of the Christian era

[Mutty]

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Thank you Sukuna.

[One-Love]

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Someone told me that from the Canaanite race came the Black Race. So if that the case, all black (people) are cursed.

[fOrTyLeGz]

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Originally posted by Mutty:
[qb]Thanks Jedi. What I have read in the past is that the literal translation is that He [Ham] "saw" or gazed [upon his father] with satisfaction. Just looking seems rather harmless, but for Noah to wake up and realize what his son had done and wake up angry to the point of pronouncing a curse seems like there was something more than just seeing his dad naked. Could have been nothering more than just looking, but the curse seems rather harsh for seeing your dad in his b'day suit.[/qb]

No kidding! This is really harsh. And we are compelled to believe also that there WERE people who could swear a curse on a whole people, AND GOD WOULD ENFORCE IT! What is that all about? Isn't this the apogee of believing in magic?

[Mutty]

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40legs, if I explained that to you, I am almost certain you will still prefer to beleive and think otherwise. No offense at all, but you apparently are obsessed with the notion of magic and the Bible. The Bible was written WITHIN the history of man complete with all the gore and evil that comes with it. It makes no pretenses we live in a fallen and corrupt world. It does not even make promises that this life is a paradise. It speaks the language of the time. Frankly, I think there was more to the story than waht is written there. I personally do not believe it was a capricious curse on some innocent bystander. Then again, that is simply MY humble opinion of which, the world does not revolve around.

The curse was uttered by Noah as a prophecy which by biblical standard was uttered by God via his [Noah's] mouth. So yes, God endorsed it as such and I am sure it was for a just reason whether you or I agree with it or not. But like I said, there had to be more to the story which you nor I know of.

One love, please, and with all due respect, do not come with that. While the Canaanites and "black people" might be related, the curse was isolated to ONE group of people, the Canaanites not ALL black people. You might have heard that in some white supremicist propaganda and I sincerely hope you do not beleive it.

[rufian]

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A Canaanite Statue: Possibly El
Late Bronze Age II, Megiddo, [At Oriental Institute]
"El" is the God whose name appears in names such as "IsraEl", MichaEl", etc.

What's in a name? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[fOrTyLeGz]

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Mutty says, "40legs, you apparently are obsessed with the notion of magic and the Bible."

FOrTyLeGz...Obsessed? I believe that if you are a Christian, then you believe in magic. You believe in an invisible, yet all powerful being. You believe that some men have been able to perform amazing feats like part the seas, or blow down walls with a trumpet blast, or raise the dead, with this god's help. I believe that if you are a Christian, then because you believe in magical beings that you are open to the belief in other kinds of magic. Like obeah, or voodoo. Vampires or demon possession. Space aliens, or curses from the past.

Mutty says, "The Bible was written WITHIN the history of man complete with all the gore and evil that comes with it. It makes no pretenses we live in a fallen and corrupt world."

FOrTyLeGz... The story line is that we live in a fallen and corrupt world.

Mutty says, "It does not even make promises that this life is a paradise. It speaks the language of the time. Frankly, I think there was more to the story than waht is written there. I personally do not believe it was a capricious curse on some innocent bystander."

FOrTyLeGz... Well, if you believe what is written in the Bible about these conquests. And you believe that the god of Israel was on Israel's side, and you believe that god is your god, then you have got to believe that there was more to the story. And much more to the story of Noah's curse also. We are talking about the murder of innocent children... or I am.

Mutty says, "Then again, that is simply MY humble opinion of which, the world does not revolve around."

ForTyLeGz... and of course that holds for me too. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mutty says, "The curse was uttered by Noah as a prophecy which by biblical standard was uttered by God via his [Noah's] mouth. So yes, God endorsed it as such and I am sure it was for a just reason whether you or I agree with it or not. But like I said, there had to be more to the story which you nor I know of."

FOrTyLeGz... never have I heard a "just reason" for the murder of children. But people who think that they can hear the voice of god often do.

[rufian]

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Originally posted by fOrTyLeGz:
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...I believe that if you are a Christian, then you believe in magic. You believe in an invisible, yet all powerful being. You believe that some men have been able to perform amazing feats like part the seas, or blow down walls with a trumpet blast, or raise the dead, with this god's help. I believe that if you are a Christian, then because you believe in magical beings that you are open to the belief in other kinds of magic. Like obeah, or voodoo. Vampires or demon possession. Space aliens, or curses from the past.
[/qb]

I beg your pardon!
Obeah and Voodoo like I know it has nothing to do with magic. The magic is perceived based upon ignorance.

[fOrTyLeGz]

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Originally posted by sukuna:
[qb]

Originally posted by fOrTyLeGz:
[qb]
...I believe that if you are a Christian, then you believe in magic. You believe in an invisible, yet all powerful being. You believe that some men have been able to perform amazing feats like part the seas, or blow down walls with a trumpet blast, or raise the dead, with this god's help. I believe that if you are a Christian, then because you believe in magical beings that you are open to the belief in other kinds of magic. Like obeah, or voodoo. Vampires or demon possession. Space aliens, or curses from the past.
[/qb]

I beg your pardon!
Obeah and Voodoo like I know it has nothing to do with magic. The magic is perceived based upon ignorance.[/qb]

ah... then I am ignorant, and Obeah and voodoo are science.