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[N.L.L.L. Aimé Olenga]

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Hello! Everyone,

I had something to take care of and I had to find Tanakh copies to allow me to proceed to a sound clear discussion.

Because I don't more often want to place all my confident to my opponents. I have finally secured myself another version of apocrypha, so I could have two versions.

I have secured too two additional versions of Tenak and Tenakh, to minimize any collapse in this fine discussion; the first Tanak is a english-hebrew and the next Tanakh I believe is just english version. I am not sure yet, I am waiting for it delivery, so I could be able to continue with respect to WitchyOoman and the Torah part of sharing.

For the other I would like to start with Kumba, I believe I owe you a lot of answers not only here but in the other threads as well. But for the time I have today I would like to start with my first unfinished reply for you.

First thing I would like people to agree with me here... Is that according to Witchy experience she believes that the bible is not accurately reflecting the hebrew version of facts. What we gonna see soon, but one thing has to be clear is that two persons have agree that the bible version of fact is biais therefore a fraud.

And next thing we will takkle here, I am trying to prove that torah, bible and koran are but the same with respect to the scriptures and when analyzing the Moses book that is foundation of three of them religions descending from Abraham siblings.

In my effort here I would like everyone to be with me it is not personal attacks to anyone but I would need your ecclectic mind to be overt so we could explore all these hard things with reason, sense of judgement and little common sense.

But thing is that I am the prosecutor of these books, and anyone in defense of it has the burden to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt and we will use these books as evidence. And the people will be the Jury and judge panel.

I will plead my case as anyone will and the one who will be convincing from the facts presented not for faith demonstrated.
Good walk.

[N.L.L.L. Aimé Olenga]

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Witchy,

I would like you now to post those paragraphs here so we could start the debate. Now I have both versions here Tanak version is very close to the King James version with all respect except very few minor differences.

And the Tanakh is only in english and it the newer version and contradictory with Tanak to certain respect and this is my first reaction to the books since I have both version with me here.

So you can start posting and I will follow you. But you chances are very slim to prove different story. Now there is no much escape left, be my guess.

Good walk.

[WitchyOoman]

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[WitchyOoman]

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[N.L.L.L. Aimé Olenga]

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Thanks Witchy;

I will be getting back to you, you know I have few answers to give before then. Another thing don't be too certain with your thing there. I believe it stands on the sand too. So you better be watching, no hard game I prevent you in the advance.

So with respect to:

Gen 9:22
V'yar Ham avi Cnaan aayt ehrvaht aveen v'ya-ade l'sh'naay echahv bachh-chhotz.

And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the [state of]nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.

I believe in this specific sentence you quoted, instead of outside it would be better to use the without meaning. I don't know if we will have to disagree in this one but there is a very reason why the author used the word without. I will appeciate if we can agree on this one, bcz it will be a sign of good will on your part.

Another thing I want to calarify before continuing is, could you help me here in telling us how Jew call a person who have children? By the name of his fisrt son or child or by the name of his fourth son?

If that is not because I know that isn't the case, why would you think the author made mention of the fourth child instead of the first?

Thank you you answers to these questions will be well helpful and very appreciated with people here. And especially myself...

Nice day to walk.

[N.L.L.L. Aimé Olenga]

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Originally posted by Kumba:
"All men living today belong to a single species, Homo sapiens, and are derived from a common stock...Biological differences between human beings are due to differences in hereditary constitution and to the influence of the environment on this genetic potential. In most cases, those differences are due to the interaction of these two sets of factors. Differences between individuals within a race or within a population are often greater than the average differnces between races and populations" quote from A Statement on Race, comvened by UNESCO.

Hello! Dear Kumba;

Nice intervention and I like it very polish though, but there problem resides in what first is the objective of this exercise. You see first we start talking... we need to establish certain operative parameters. If we are here to learn the eurocentric version of things or we are analyzing the situation in the afrocentrism way? Or just as ecclectic people we want to know the truth... Knowing that afrocentrism is the child of eurocentrism because it is those who were trained by the kaukazians who woke up one day from their dreams and maybe nightmares and started to create an alternative for black people in quest of oneself identity.

Saying this, doesn't mean that you are not allowed to utilize eurocentric flow, how could you be after realizing all the lies which are enfolding in front of your eyes, after meeting or reading Crest, Clarke, Khalid, Jochannan, Asante and many others. But still want to hold and teach those kaukazian supremacist movement called UNESCO teachings. To tell you what you need to know about anything at all? How many times do you think Cheik Anta Diop had to write his book before it was accepted by this institution? At least Hundred times, how many did Gerald Massey or Godfrey Higgins has to redo their materials not once.

I will be very distant from UNESCO theory and teachings, because I would rather take the untruth of the bible than the one of UNESCO. Biological differences between animals "are also due to the same differences in hereditary constitution and influence of the environment on this genetic potential." as you say for the humans now could you tell me that the horses, goats, lambs, cows... and whatever are the same? Cows and horses could mate and have children in captivity not in the wildness? Why, there is human interference in captivity.

If we agree that they are all animals, why aren't we agreeing to be the same as for humans? Even if I disagree with the bible, torah and koran about everything. I agree with them when they quote the legend in the Genesis 6: 1-2 you will see a clear indication of differentiation in races. The creator according to the bible, torah and koran are all clear in those facts. That the god depicted in those books has prohibited to his people to mix with the other men created people, but they are like cows and horses or lambs and goats. All the other books sustain that fact to.

Nature has showed us that there is no way from a peaceful Hue who are the Ebonite [black] people, to have a destructive being like the kaukazian... ( sorry for my readers I know many people will not be at ease will me using kaukazian simple bcz... I like to use it because the word that I believe to suit them the most is derogatory prohibited word in here. And the allowed word that everyone is beating into my head, doesn't register and it violates my whole being existence. So bear with me on this one. I don't want another run over.)
The kaukazian are barbaric, blood thirsty, violent war type of people. While we Ebonite are peaceful, caring, loving and non violent.

Could you say that those two archetypes are the same, please! Scientifically there are many studies that have come to demonstrate that we aren't similar. Question, in the late 2000 CE England and United States published study that they have successfully produced a weapon that can be only used against one specific race only, and the other races won't be at risk... What do you think that is? How could this bio-genetic weapon works only on one specific race if indeed we are all the same?

I heard that one too the "Differences between individuals within a race or within a population are often greater than the average differences between races and populations" but when you do reality check, it doesn't pass the test, could you tell me that the kaukazian are the same like Ebonite? Sorry pale, all kaukazoid people, are but the same from China, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, England, Australia, South Afrikkka etc... All of them are prejudicial to black people, and those who aren't , play the role of their accomplices or buffers.

Because they can live with your slavery and servitude… and that is ok, but any time you want to stand for yourself. They post in between weaken you by their forgiveness lyrics while they are strengthening your enemies who are their benefactors. They will want you dead to maintain status quo of your surrender to their will and your servitude to their massa too.

Studies and experiments have been done on pigs, rats and whatever... to be applied to men and people, I find it very amusing. Instead of seeing how vulnerable they have become and if these scientists get all the control they needed under the kaukazian supremacist movement. This will be very detrimental to the general misinformed public, who most of them furnish the new guinea pigs of all the secret government experiments and appetite... Because these instable people are not aware of their doing, they are collective sick and this is not that I am prejudice, but a true scientifically. If you have read Isis paper by Welsing Crest you will realize that they are all suffering of terrible illness called ipsylateral dysfunction, and when you look deeper… this is not the only illness they have it goes further... studies done earlier by our people has came up with their another genetic dysfunction disease is called ispsy. And the two types created an additional five more harder to diagnosis. The disease that could be called "little mental trouble or "la troublotte".

Ebonite have never suffered from those abnormality as the kaukazians do. There are actually many inherent genes that differentiate black people from kaukazians. You might decide not to see that the article published in Vancouver Sun and Global Mail are very clear on that effect. You might want not to see it for reasons peculiar to you, but that doesn't dismiss scientific data and studies now coming with a quick fix of UNESCO kaukazian supremacist theory it won't work at least this time. If you tell me that the dog and the cat are the same then we could continue saying that kaukazian and Ebonite are the same or coming from the same ancestry.

No kaukazian came from Ebonite only the blends [mulattoes] and their descendants not the kaukazians. And god prohibited Ebonite to mix with kaukazians and have blends because that wasn't good for the nature around us. Many will try to find problem anomaly in my saying here. Please you can't make omelette without breaking the eggs. God in torah, bible, apocrypha and koran refused the responsibility of making this people. The books said written under their holy spirit say that he never made or created them or come across with anything to do with them, the four books’ description is very clear they are fair not white!!!

And that indication could guide us this day to know who those people are? Unfortunately we went wacco off boundary and we have all these blends you wonder why the blends are the people who have hurt us the most? But if you travel to those beginning indeed you will over why and try to find solution. This might be taken as racist especially coming from me, but when I return you guys to your holy books many will come with their explanations. Instead of reading what is on those pages and tell me what that means.

When I say anything else they are talking of seniority in their faith but when you flip Jeremaiah 31: 34, states clearly that no one will have a special something that will be more than the other to have god prevalence but we all will be it on the same spot. Which could mean very simply since the books are there people could go and find answer in the book on their own. But still now we need to hear from a imam, rabbi, a preacher or a priest… about god as if they are special or have anything special we don't have.

Yes they do have things we don't, trained for seven years to lie to people turn their heads from reasoning and believing in false doctrine. Teach you how to spy and inform those who aren't fit your description right. A support personal in case of invasion...

Good walk.

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[WitchyOoman]

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[WitchyOoman]

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[img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] dunno why it doble-posted, sorry. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[WitchyOoman]

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Okay, I am obviously too tired. or else, there is a ghostie in my computer! Good night!

[WitchyOoman]

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[img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] WHAT?! AGAIN??!!! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[WitchyOoman]

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[img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Oh, for goodness sakes! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[LiekVoki]

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I do believe that this piece will help people coming together. As far I am concern regardless of anything I want to know for sure why Canaan was the center piece in Noah-Ham discussion.

Maybe this will gave the light...

Singularity9
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posted December 23, 2002 12:36 AM
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The point is that with the current translation of the bible, you CAN'T know whether they are the same deity because all the names of God have been falsely translated.
The Hebrew names of God:
Yahuwa (Jehovah/Yahwey)
Eli (according to the NT story)
El
Eloh
Eloah
Eloheem (a plural meaning "Gods")
El Elyon
El Shadiy
Adonai

And many other names. But in the bible, they give us 'God' and 'Lord'. Look up the etymology of the words God & Lord and see if they are even 'godly'!

They don't realize that it's not the same being talking at every moment. So by converting all these words to just God or Lord seriously jeopardizes the reader's chance of really knowing whats going on in the bible. But then, I think thats acceptable (to them) since the current teachings support the paleman's own accepted version of who and what God is. His version has become the universal version nowadays, but that wasn't always the case.

Without the false translation, one would be able to see that the bible stories not only matched up with the ancient traditions of Egypt, Sumer, Babylon, etc, but was even influenced by them:

Noah = Utnaphishtum
Adam = Kadmon / Atom
Jacob & Esau = Enlil & Enqi
Esther (Easter) = Ishtar
Mary & Holy Spirit = Isis & spirit of Osirus
Jesus = Horus / Tammuz
Enoch = Adafa
....and the list goes on.... so many borrowed stories

Not that the mistranslation lessens the reality of God, but instead changes our perceptions of who and what God and his sons are. But then if the masses realized that, how could the ruling spiritual force (of this disagreeable world) control the emotions, morals, and spirit of the masses? Many don't want the true meanings known, for it could destroy 1,000s of years of idle worship.
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[ December 24, 2002: Message edited by: Singularity9 ]

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[WitchyOoman]

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[Pakow]

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[fOrTyLeGz]

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Originally posted by WitchyOoman:

Please note how Aimé Olenga now speaks directly TO one or more of us (look in this thread, above), addressing us either singularly or as a group, as if we all were facing each other. It took Aimé a while to get used to this, but, he certainly seems to have finally learned how to dialgoue with us.

Witchy all these personalities are ALL the same person. Just copy and past two or three of them together (N.L.L.L. Aimé Olenga + NALLIMHEL + LiekVoki + Pakow) into Google and you will see what I mean. It makes no sense at all really, but this individual has spent years at it. Go figure?