Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

[PILOT]

With millions scouting the stock markets at this hour globally looking for opportunities, have we reached a point where interest and security can only be asessed interms of rates of gain and maximization of super profits.

I keep hearing references to the beast of oil and the implications for our lives future expressed in the current conflict of war. Is this an overstatement or is the world really just in too deep with economic growth and a development model that is wrecking lives. Can we find no other way to look at humanity than interms of dollars and cents.

Todays editorial in the Jamaica observer seem to believe that you the global citizen who have signed unto globalisation are the ones "Feeding the Hungry Beast".

you may find exceprts below along with linx...

At the same time those with the ability to participate in the Great Game have dwindled substantially -- down, essentially, to a single player... a sole superpower with a new construct of the world and a willingness to fashion an order in its own image. That order that is unconstrained by doctrines of collective security and international law. And it arrogates unto itself the right of Regime Change and Pre-emptive Strike. Worse, there is no specific criteria for the application of Regime Change or any real capacity for peer review.

Military and technological might is fed by economic power. A hungry beast that has to be continually fed. Might and wealth go hand in hand.

So there will sometimes be coincidence between Regime Change and economic intent. What, perhaps, would be the case if the oil taps to the market were to flow unrestrained and OPEC was ineffectual?

Regime Change would make tremendous sense.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/editorial...UNGRY_BEAST.asp

PILOT's views. Just thought it important to state that well over 70 million americans are in the stockmarkets, in Japan atleast 70 % of its population are in the markets, Hong Kong, Turkey, Canada, indeed its Europe which have also seen incredible growth of buyers and sellers in the beast.

My Question is how much are we to blame for economic oppressive order of governments as we demand performances that allow us to gain wealth fast. How much is an improved economy fuelling Washington's decision to have war with IRAQ and when conscience comes into play should making a buck or two matter in the final policy decision?

The hypocrisy is obvious for intellectual types who even oppose the war are well deep into the world citizen ideaology of globalisation and so what we have are stakeholders jostling for their piece of whatever pie is located in the middle east ,africa or places not fully modernised as yet.

I notice France and Germany as well as Russia and China have had dealings with Iraq not to mention Arab nations, who have traded in arms and oil, now we hearing that economics has more to do with their opposition than principle.

For US companies stand to benefit more from the war economically, with infrasturture changes that will be needed as well as developmental industry that will have to be retooled and modernized.

I think the battle lines that have been drawn in public opinion of the war and consequences have not dealt with the fact that economics is crippling our world as we know it, mans instinct is now penned around economic indicators or market, prices, statistics associated with interest rates and currency exchange and this rate we are becoming deeper swollowed by the beast of speculation and risk both interms of assets such as real estate, and money instruments.

The greedmonster is in full play and it has no mercy on poor people, people who believe in voluntary simplicy and communual living. Just wait though for all this is doing is causing the winds to intensify from east to west, north to south as the distress signals get higher. The world is no more peacer today that before the liberalised economy and as we go deeper into media- technocracy led post modern era the sting is unabated.
Be careful how you put your faith in the markets,worshipping the image of the bullish golden calf,and the bullish world currency get out before you become apart of the deadly beast sins.

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

I take it you have your money under a mattress then ?

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Don't worry about mee, check the words and see what they warning you about, is either you with the stampede folks who keep putting the world under pressure or you are not, being against does not conclude that you now have the right to say you are not apart of the problem for what democracy has called for is freedoms and with that differing voices becomes different stake holders who are all defending some prized notion that is apart of the relavitism era of post modern views where everyone believes they are right.

I think Washington by moving ahead without appearing to seek a consensus has created the precedence for battle unlike we have ever seen before. The world was already moving into a swing where conflict became a daily diet and now its a conflict that is sponcered by those who want greater returns on their investments in the banking system and the stock market in particular... your actions are sponcering despotic governments and political lynching in a matter of securing the markets and the deeper we get into babylon then the more we become entrusted to the fight for spoils. Its a Tribal war and many are in defence of something...

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Pilot, ansa the question man.

Where is your pension fund money invested ?

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Certainly I don't have any money, but if I did have it wouldn't be placed in the stock market or any secondary market while milking or rinsing it for what its worth.

I do not subcribe to employment share ownership partnerships/programmes or 401 k's.

If I was given that opportunity I think I would cash it all in and stay away from the markets.
It nurtures a speculative spirit of risk and wanting to see profits at all cost and that is what is pushing the tribes to fight, dominating territory has gone down to not just territory but controlling riches/wealth.

Most of us never want to allow conscience to realistic state our purposes in the world, in money matters we pass the blame unto the business leaders and political leaders but buy being consumers we also contribute to the choas of this age, buying and selling our way to hell.

Trading in currency, stocks, bonds is the current that is shaking this world, its who has money tat speak the loudest and as they recontruct the world money now equals time.

60 sec, 60 mins of time all being slaved in blood sweat and tears at the mercy of an image of wealth and security.

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

"Certainly I don't have any money"

Easy to talk about what other people should do with their money isn't it.

What you would do...hypothetically.... no mean nutten eeda. Come back an preach to wi when yuh have some of your own set aside to take care of yourself in your old age, and tell us where you plan to put it. Until then, all a wah yuh deh seh, has zero credibility.

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

The point is I view money differently and am not a slave to it so I won't fall in the same situation most find themselves in, priorities different, I store my wealth up in heaven still so to me money is not a problem, I can live without it, it maybe an overstatement but the fact is I don't worry about it an will not be a party to the beast.

Its funny how idolatry becomes something that we defend, I tell you already fire for the man who think money equal time, and that is how the financial markets value things, they talk about now being uncertain with the war as 60 secs have turned into 60 mins and maybe eventually into 6 months.

Indeed Head of the US defense Rumsfeld is quoted as saying the war will last 6days, 6weeks or 6 months, and that is just a part and parcel of how we look on the world when you are a beastly man, with uncertainty, as one value your risk against being secured.

I don't have all the answers you know calf man but I tell you that you are witnessing as we speak the most distressing time globally, no where is escaping the choas. The worst is that most are a party to the conflict by being apart of the financial markets, its your ability to buy or sell your stocks shares that is causing teh US president to believe that its in his best interest and security to go to a different continent and spark uncertainty.

As we speak contracts are being signed by USAID for recontruction of Iraq, the speculators are smart for people are watching these developments and deciding what stock to buy.

I think whats worst is that most don't even know what stock they buying and what business that company is in, for example ATT and General Motors have stakes in Pornagraphy companies yet folks buy the stock like so many other stocks on teh basis of ability to secure wealth.

I go on Democracy has afforded us this freedom that has translated into becoming consumer the right to buy and sell and its wrecking the world but many of us could careless we just want to earn a buck or two.

Democracy has also afforded a country to be able to arm its citizens in achieveing its economic gains. Public opinion in the US is in favor of the war, and what we see is that people prefer now that its underway for their to be an end soon so the uncertainty can end in favour of more wealth creation.

I just want to remind folks that whoever is to be made prisoner, a prisoner he shall become , whoever takes the swod to kill, by the sword he is bound to be killed.

Their is a final judgement so our actions how ever small become the catalyst for evil when we are actively involved in the markets.

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

"I store my wealth up in heaven still so to me money is not a problem, I can live without it"

Translation: My taxes will go to buy your food and medicine when you are too old and/or too sick to work.

Enjoy.

[rufian]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Pilot you penticostal?

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

As the war of Gog and Magog contiues yuh see watch the quotes

During a visit to the U.S. Air Force's 31st Fighter Wing at Aviano in northern Italy, Rumfseld told his troops that war on Iraq would last "six days, maybe six weeks", but certainly less than six months.

Today the markets globally are taking their cue's from the persian gulf and Mr Rumsfeld in Particular you hear, at the end of his press conferance this morning oil prices rose. So all who don't want to understand where we at can continue deny it...
Today Rumsfeld warned that more fighting lies ahead as the US nears a face-off with Iraq's well-equipped Republican Guard.


That will mean further supply disruptions ahead.

Already, oil exports from Iraq have been reduced by 76 per cent, since war began last week.

Iraq is pumping oil to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, even as US-led forces try to capture Iraqi oil fields.

Also hurting oil supply is ethnic violence in Nigeria, where output has been cut by almost 40 per cent.

Crude oil for May delivery is now up 63 US cents at US$28.60 a barrel, while London's Brent crude is also up 64 cents to US$25.45.

Sukuna I am no denominational person, simply a servant of the Most High God, First and Last beginning and End.

[Fledgist]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Originally posted by PILOT:
[qb] Certainly I don't have any money, but if I did have it wouldn't be placed in the stock market or any secondary market while milking or rinsing it for what its worth.

{Fledgist: I find the implication that saving is morally wrong offensive. }


I do not subcribe to employment share ownership partnerships/programmes or 401 k's.

{Fledgist: Fine for you. Why are you telling the rest of us how to save our money?}


If I was given that opportunity I think I would cash it all in and stay away from the markets.
It nurtures a speculative spirit of risk and wanting to see profits at all cost and that is what is pushing the tribes to fight, dominating territory has gone down to not just territory but controlling riches/wealth.

{Fledgist: I'm sorry, it seems as if you're saying that having a pension plan leads to war. This makes not the slightest sense.}


Most of us never want to allow conscience to realistic state our purposes in the world, in money matters we pass the blame unto the business leaders and political leaders but buy being consumers we also contribute to the choas of this age, buying and selling our way to hell.

{Fledgist: Could we have this in English please?}


Trading in currency, stocks, bonds is the current that is shaking this world, its who has money tat speak the loudest and as they recontruct the world money now equals time.

{Fledgist: What, sixty seconds to the dollar?}


60 sec, 60 mins of time all being slaved in blood sweat and tears at the mercy of an image of wealth and security. [/qb]

Y'know, you're absolutely right. I shouldn't make any provision for old age -- that will just lead to war. Much better to do nothing and have the younger, healthier taxpayer, such as yourself, pay my bills when I retire.

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Fledglist gwaan worry bout me and my life and whether I will be able to live... it will be able to help you sleep peacefully you hear...


The war at the end of the tribulation, known as Armageddon, is a world war. Revelation tells us that this battle will involve all nations. The war described in Ezekiel includes specific nations that invade Israel. Also, Armageddon is at the climax of the tribulation, while the war described in Ezekiel comes well before then.

The most common identity for Magog is in Central Asia. The Jewish historian Josephus said, "Magog founded the Magogians, called Scythians by the Greeks. Scythians were a nomadic tribe who inhabited the ancient territory from Central Asia across the southern part of ancient Russia." Today this area is inhabited by the former Soviet Republics of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and possibly northern parts of Afghanistan. All of these nations that make up the land of Magog have one thing in common - Islam. Militant Islam has been on the rise in these countries since the fall of the Soviet Union, when Islam no longer had to be practiced secretly. Radical Islamic groups such as the Islamic Renaissance Party, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, and Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islam are working to reunite central Asian nations and ultimately the entire Muslim world.

It is from this part of the world that a leader will arise to bring together a great coalition of nations that shall be invaded ...
Ezekiel 38:1-6 The word of the Lord came to me; Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army - your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops - the many nations with you.'

Ezekiel 38:13 "Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish with all its villages will say to you, 'Have you come to capture spoil? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?'"

As this invasion develops, a few countries will make lame protest thats what was predicted and it has come to pass.

[jedi]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

I notice France and Germany as well as Russia and China have had dealings with Iraq not to mention Arab nations, who have traded in arms and oil, now we hearing that economics has more to do with their opposition than principle.


I figured so! When since did pure altruism have to do with anything

Interesting article Pilot! Thanks for the thoughts. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Pilot, with all due respect, that is a bunch of hogwash.

There is no question in my mind that the war that is presently being fought in Iraq, is not being done for the benefit of the Iraqis,( many of whom, I might add, have died already and will continue to die before they are "liberated",) but is being fought over its natural resources.

Great Britain has been in the business of "liberating" Third World countries of their natural resources for eons. The US is a relative newcomer to the business so it is with no small amount of irony that the icon of colonialism and her offspring should be involved with this adventure. It makes perfect (historical) sense.

But this has nothing whatsoever with encouraging people to take their money out of banks to "store it up in heaven", whatever that may mean.

The fact of the matter is that without a fiscally sound approach to investing the proceeds of one's hard earned labours for the days when we cannot work, you will become nothing but a burden upon society and your family, who did take the time to pay attention to these matters. In fact I particulary resent having to take care of people like yourself who have just finished chastising me for being somehow involved with Satan when I try to invest and save in an attempt to plan ahead for my retirement. What rubbish.

The fact of the matter is that Social Security, (or NIS in Jamaica) cannot support you when you are old and is not designed to do so. What you are preaching therefore is dangerous and irresponsible and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Calf man I am a kid in skool I know how I will choose to live my life and being apart of the markets is not something that God has instructed me to do in the future. Its a stampede, its brute force that takes no regard of human suffering. Its all about profits and the maximization of wealth without no checks and balances but uncertainty and risks.Like Enron...

Jamaica is going to change its pension plan shortly and I suppose you prefer us to forget about contributed funds and follow the american system where 401k's pension requirement plans force mom and pops to be cruising the market to play for their retirement.

Is the market you need to worry about sir, cause it stampeding away your interest rate and stock market valuations as the world watch war on TV and real time.

As i was saying:
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The battle of God and Magog was to occur at the end of the Millenium 2001, 9/11 marked the day and hour that babylon started to fall. Armageddon is the war of Gog and Magog. In year 2001 US started it war of terror in afgahnistan a place which has probably witnessed greusome fighting

for centuries, by colonial powers, former roman, greek great armies, not to mention russian forces and taliban conquest. Last week wednesday march 19, 2003 the war in that region escalated. Its has since spread in to areas recorded in bible history strenthching across the euphrates
and tigris and the acient city of babylon as well as former historic sites of King Nebeukanezzer.
Iraq has a split population of ***** muslims, kurds, minorities includes christian and minor nomadic tribes.

"And when the thousand years are expire, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

The place where the battle unfolds streches from the southern parts of Russia into Afgahistan across Iran, Iraq,Pakistan and into Syria.

The US government has already named IRAN as part of its axis of evil countries, thus war is schedlued for their some time soon.

Historic Muslim city and muslim shrines are being devastated as the war takes its toll, places like Ur the cradle of civilization where the word urban comes from is on the path the americans have take in this valley of decision.

The Babylonians are acredited with giving the world/civilization the bureacracratic government.

City like Basra is the first muslim city recorded, offering the middle east and Iraq its first casino and nightlife scene.

Its no wonder that critical decending voices are being heard from teh Arab world who as the conflict continue will be more outraged. we have heard in past days that muslims from Saudi Arabia the home of muslims most holy sites today are infact leavin to help Iraq fight back the colonial impearilists.

I think the most startling thing is that oil was first fond in the north of Iraq Kurcook, a place where the Kurds are hoping they will be able to form their independent state, which the Turks will not allow without a fight.

The only democracy in this region is Turkey, they are apart of the EU and with Kurds a minority in all bordering Iraqi State in Iran, Syria, and Turkey it becomes clear that freedom for the Iraqis shoudl also mean freedom for the Kurds.

All this is said to show you the complex war that has begun hwo long shall it last, how long with the occupation last by US and its allies as well as members of the EU in the muslim world.

Its a question that shows the danger of teh pandora box that has been open.

Distress as the world has never seen before started on 9/11 and the economic strength of the world has been sliding since.

Its clear trumpets have sounded and the beast is going to strip the woman naked and leave her desolate.

The markets is the best, the globalised economy is babylon ...I await on the rider of the white horse, Kings of Kings and Lords of lord for he is just in judgement and just in war...it is he who is called Faithful and Truth...cya touch him for he is called the Word of God.

From his mouth shall come a sharp sword that shall smite all the nations, he shall thread the winepress of wrath and retribution.

He shall take the beast prisoner and so shall he also take the false prophet MEDIA and TECHNOLOGY who worked miracles in its precence and deluded those that had received the mark of the beast and worshipped its image.