women traveling in jamaica

[Tiger Eye]

Originally posted by Sienna:
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“American style” flirting or even innocent exuberance can be misinterpreted here. Being a tourist has nothing to do with getting “instant justice” – if you’re going to hang with the locals, act like the locals….spend a whole lot more time observing the social situation and dynamics you are interested in being in or around.

I am hopefully not discouraging anybody from going out to party – but ALWAYS have someone with your party as a designated “observer/babysitter/bodyguard if the other person plans to get loose, and neither of you are completely familiar with Jamaican runnings. And if someone in the party decides to wander off on their own, then they’re ON their own with whatever situation they encounter, good or bad.

And finally, remember that flirting, and picking up/entertaining visitors, ESPECIALLY single females, is a way of life for many, many of the footloose-and-fancy-free men of the resort towns – it is a lucrative business for those with polish and finesse, it is a training ground for many aspiring lotharios.

Ask yourself this: if you meet this impossible to resist man at night on the town, where is he going to be by day? Not working? Don’t buy into the story of him having a “week’s vacation” conveniently at this very moment, from work. Do you meet him on the beach by day? Where is he at night? STILL not working? Hmmmmm. AND, if he is working when you meet him, and makes that play for you in the first 5 minutes, 3 hours, half-day, whatever…..not that you’re not totally irresistible, but have you spent any time at all watching him from afar to see how he deals with other ladies passing through?

It will be up to each individual as to how far they want to go with the men they meet, but I think it needs to be an issue that doesn’t sugar coat anything or get glossed over lightly.
Fun in the sun, summertime flings, island romance, whatever term you care to use, is certainly here IF that is what they are looking for, but they need to know the repercussions.[/qb]

i wanted to address this without interupting marilyn's trip report flow. i know that svt has expressed an interest in advice from females traveling solo and i am sure there are many women on the board that can offer it to her & others. the runnings of jamaica, and more specifically, regarding the dynamics between jamaican men and tourist women, is an important topic of discussion not only for women traveling alone, but also in groups since at times the group separates.

i have been lucky in terms of being in ugly situations with men i didnt know. from a lack of erperience and a whole heap of naivete, my worst experiences were with my "boyfriends" in the early years. it was all too tempting for me to immerse myself in the culture upon arriving my very first trip. what better way to take your trip to the next level than by getting involved with a man that can "show you the island"? i found myself in the country with a violent man i thought i could trust. all of my cash was stolen on my day of arrival and there wasnt a soul around that i knew to go to. it is important to note that Jah does look out for fools, babies, and drunks, which i believe i fell into each and every category. it is also important to note that there are MANY good, honest, and trustworthy jamaican people (men included). an older gentleman and a young girl told the police who stole my money & this enabled me to get most of it back.

i am not a tourist!!!,i would protest on TRIP #1! i attacked my first two trips with this mentality and by trip #3, and every one since, i have learned to respect my place there. i am not jamaican. there are certain things i shouldnt say, do, or pretend.

my experiences have taught me a lot, for the one mentioned above is just one of many. i once went to jamaica to get tan & party. now i go to restore my calm. as a high school teacher in an urban school, i get all the excitement i need.

i realize that this discussion began with the bar scene that i am no longer a part of, but i took it as an opportunity to expand on sienna's words of wisdom. part of the reason i never had problems in clubs is because back when i did go to them, my first boyfriend was a rude bwoy not to be messed with. i could go anywhere with him and have MAXIMUM SECURITY. that was great, except for the times when there was no one to protect me from him!

i am no expert on jamaica; i am still learning. i have a much better idea of what works for me and i wanted to share a little of that with you, in hopes that you never have to experience some of the things i have. did i ever tell you about the time boyfriend #2 went away for a few days to "take care of business," but got married? lol

i hope this is not too far off topic, which is another reason i started a new thread with it, since it really doesnt address marilyn's situation at all. it really branches off sienna's.

[SvonThun]

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Rizla, This is an excellant topic & one that doesn't get addressed often enough. So many of us tend to explain how 'safe' Jamaica is to newbies because we want them to go & experience it & to not be afraid of leaving their AI's, that besides telling them to 'pack their common sense' the advice never really expands on that.

I am glad that you started this new thread...I should've thought of that & also didn't want to stray off of Marilyn's & QueenB's topics, however, they are experienced single-women travellers & their reports are very popular. I too, read Sienna's post & thought her insight is fantastic & timely.

I leave today for Chicago, then on a 6am flight to MoBay tomorrow. This will be my 5th trip to JA, but 1st alone. I consider myself a moderately intelligent, mature woman, but I guess with the building excitement of this excursion getting so close, the single-traveller thing is the only part that I had a bit of apprehension about. Since reading yours & many other posts on this subject, the apprehension has changed back to excitement...as it should be! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Although, I will be gone for a week, I hope this thread becomes a popular advice spot from the experienced for the single ladies that decide to head out alone or with their girlfriends.

BTW - LOL about the dude going off & gettin' hitched! Now that's the ultimate description of a player! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I hope you weren't too brokenhearted since now you've got such a great story!

Respect to all,
Sharon

[Tiger Eye]

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Originally posted by SvT:
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BTW - LOL about the dude going off & gettin' hitched! Now that's the ultimate description of a player! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I hope you weren't too brokenhearted since now you've got such a great story!
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at the time i was extremely heart broken, shocked, and thrown for a loop. the thing is, he took his friends girl so the friend got revenge and told me, otherwise i would have never known. **HINT: asking around the yard if so-and-so is a good guy, may not produce the most honest answers since there is a code of silence. only time & observation will reveal this to you. ***

anyhooooooo, i laugh about it now. it is definitely one of my favorite jamaica stories to tell. needless to say, their marriage lasted just one year, once he went foreign.

i agree that the experiences of others are worth exploring. EACH ONE, TEACH ONE!

[brownie2]

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I don't want to turn this post into a Dear K forum however there are many people who repeatedly ask the question about women traveling alone to Jamaica and I want to tag onto what the ladies have already stated:

My first trip to Jamaica, man I was so naive!!!!! I didn't know this board existed, I didn't have any Jamaican friends, I didn't know anyone who had gone to Jamaica. I was only there for a weekend and in that weekend, I found two men that knocked me off my feet. Lucky for me both were legitimately employed. One owned a boat the other was a cook. I married the cook and sponsored him to come to the States. I was only with him for two days and never went back to visit him or spend time with his family. I had to have him and boy did I get him. I met him in May, petitioned for him in August, he was approved in November and I picked him up from the airport in January!

Needless to say, we are now seperated. He has several friends that came to the states the same way and only one has survived and even that one is on very very very shakey ground. Jamaican men are master manipulators who prey on low self esteem and it seems that MOST, by no means all however a very large portion, have only one goal in life and that is to get off the island or to have several people support them while they are on the island! America is supposedly the greatest place on earth, that is until you get here! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] And the reality is that America is no better than any other place to live but those on the outside are taught that this country is the closest you will get to heaven on earth!

As for as the Carribbean, I have only been to the Bahamas and Jamaica and by far Jamaica is the most romantic place I have ever been. It is not a destination to go alone. The beautiful sunsets. The romantic cliffs. The beach parties. The absolutely gorgeous people (men and women). Forget Viriginia, Jamaica is for lovers. And unfortunately, or fortunately depending on what you are looking for, the lovers are out looking for YOU!

I say this just to say that when you go on vacation use common sense! If you wouldn't do something at home, think twice about doing it while on vacation!

[Rose]

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Hello Everyone...I haven't been online much of late and haven't posted in ages, but would like to contribute to this valuable discussion. Thank you Rizla for starting it. I, too, read what Sienna wrote and also feel more needs to be said on the subject.

As a married woman who sometimes travels to Jamaica without my husband and doesn't have a boyfriend there, I'd like to offer some input on what has worked well for me. Sometimes I visit with a female friend who loves Jamaica like I do. If you're traveling with a female friend, it's a good idea to stick together or at least let the other know where you'll be and how to reach you.

As Sienna said, it's good to have a male Jamaican friend/bodyguard/person who potential troublemakers assume is your man to move around with. Early on in my visits to Jamaica, I was fortunate enough to make friends with a few good people. Really, I think it was just luck to hook up with good people.
How to do this? Gradually. Don't head out into the country with the first person who offers to show you the 'real Jamaica'. Get to know the person and where and how he lives. Does he treat his mother and grandmother well? How does he interact with the children? (this was a good sign for me. The first time my husband and I visited the home of someone who is now a longtime, good friend, the nephews were all over him when we entered the yard)

I forget if it was Sienna who wrote it, but if someone is especially persistant or rude, I find it best to give them the Look, kiss-teeth and move away. Dismissed. Nuff Said. Goodbye. I've never had to do more than this, but if the person were to persist after that, I would seek help. It may seem wimpish to some, but I am not a local, don't really know the details of the workings, and don't really want trouble on my vacation.

Getting to know people in a particular area and returning to it is helpful too. People remember you and will generally look after you..at least that has been my experience.

Hope this helps.

[Tiger Eye]

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Originally posted by Rose:
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Getting to know people in a particular area and returning to it is helpful too. People remember you and will generally look after you..at least that has been my experience.[/qb]

yes, i wanted to make this point. i spend a considerable amount of time between two yards and between them, i feel well looked after.

it does take time to get to know someone and unfortunately most of us dont have the kind of time it takes to do that while we are there. i try to go relatively often and it requires several trips to get to know someone. i have grown close to those people around where i stay because that is who i have spent the most time with. key here is TIME. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Peaches12]

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This is a very relative subject. I'm about to make my fourth trip to Jamaica this coming Sunday. My first trip I made with my good friend AngieB. I met her and several of her friends for a wedding last August in Negril. I had a blast. Of course I met a young man there. I returned to the states and communicated with this guy for the next few months. I made my second trip back to Negril in November alone. Because of the information Angie shared with me on the first trip about the culture and such, I had very little fear or apprehensions.

The second trip I made was to see this guy. This young man was employeed (one of the water sports) when I met him but due to hurricane Michelle, work on the water was almost non-existant when I returned. The youngman had indicated he would be able to spend time with me during my stay. I understood he would probably have to work during the day. I brought gifts with me for him and his children, which he accepted. I saw him the first night. He was a no show the next day. We made the trip to YS falls on another day and then the next day he was sick. I put out a good bit of money on his behalf while I was there. This was out of character for me because I have never given money to a man, (who was not a relative in need).

I didn't sit around and wait for him on the days when he was not around. I did not venture out at night alone. I agree with what was said earlier, we should have someone who will look out for you when you go out at night. I enjoyed my trip although I felt I'd been taken. I understand the economics there and the money was not the issue. He did not work the entire time I was there. I know the guy was not up front with me and that hurt (really not much different than the men in the US).

I really had no desire to return to Jamaica after this but Angie would often calm me down when I was disturbed or upset by descibing a tranquil scene in Jamaica. Her enthusiasm and love for this country has rubbed off on me.

On my third trip (last month), staying at an AI, I met another young man. Despite my encounter with first guy, I love the Jamaican men. They make you feel very special, even just in passing. On this trip I took all that instride and really it was a much needed boost. This young man upon first speaking to me did not use the usual flattering words a lot of Jamaican men use. He expressed concerned about my drinking too much. (I was drinking a bit much.) And later that night when he accompanied us going out to the clubs, he made sure I did not drink too much.

Well, to make a long story short, I've been talking to the young man over the past couple weeks. I knew I would make a return trip to Negril this month even before I met this guy. He know's I'm returning and we plan to see each other. He knows I'm a bit reluctant to get very involved, but has indicated he wants to take the time for us to get to know each other. So, I tell myself I'm not returning to see him, but for relaxation and pure enjoyment. I don't know how things will turn out, but this trip is for me. I plan to be kind, generous and learn as much as I can about the culture there. I want to see more of Jamaica this trip. If something positive develops with this young man, then so be it. If not, I can only hope we will remain friends. I will keep in mind the information shared here on how sly some of the men can be as I try to learn more about this guy.
Peaches

[Gonzof1]

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Please don't let this be a personal attack on anybody on this forum. So far, I like all of you and respect your opinions.

However, I think y'all took "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" waaaayyyyyy to seriously. I mean really, why go on vacation in a third-world country to try and pickup guys? I think it's painfully obvious they Jamaican men are not in it for love and friendship. Plenty of stories prove that. Leave the sex and love for home (okay, maybe not the sex) and be strong women who don't follow their feeling and let them drag you around the island and end up in the states with a con-man in tow (and women give us men a bunch of crap about following our dickies). The true Jamaican people have yet to be shown in a movie the way they REALLY are. Desperate times lead to desperate measures

I don't mean to paint them all with the same brush, but it's the trouble makers we are talking about here and they seem to be the rule and not the exception in tourist areas.

Sorry for the rant.

Gonzo-

[trelawnysmall]

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I see and agree with everything you are saying in this thread.

I came to Jamaica years ago, as a tourist, to visit a beautiful island & it's people, with my then teenage son. The absolute last thing I was wanting was a boyfriend or romance. I am a person who likes adventure & in my mind any man whould have gotten in the way of me doing what I wanted to do.

Then on the seocnd night I met, who is now my husband. When I was apporached by him, I wasn't even interested in knowing his name. For what?

Let me back up & tell you about the first night I was in Montego Bay. I came here with a girlfriend, her daughter & my teenage son. My friend & I made our way to a small local bar in Mo Bay that night. I sat at the bar, enjoying a drink. A rastaman came up to talk to me & he stood there, very politely talking to me about his wife & children in the States. I found him to be nice & repsectful to me. I didn't have any problems with the converstaion we were having. Then this other Jamaican man came with 2 of his buddies to the opposite side of the bar. I noticed this man, one because he was very tall & bald & also because he had on more gold jewlery then I personally own. He stuck out from the crowd. The next thing I knew he was calling out the my woman friend, asking her where is she from. Well, it turns out that this man lives in Jamaica & also in the same town as we did in California. My friend then went to talk to him & when she returned to her seat she said that the bald headed man said that he likes me & he has seen me in the Jamaican clubs at home. He also told her to tell the Rastaman that he didn't want the rastaman to speak to me because he liked me.

What? I thought to myself. I don't know him & I don't know this rastaman, so everyone needs to cool down. Well, these 2 guys started to have words accross the bar over me. What me? Who the hell do these men think they are? I saw this was leading to a place that I did not want to go, so I got up out of my chair, stepped back to tell my friend I was ready to leave, when all hell broke out.

The baldheaded man, picked up a bottle & threw it across the bar, in an attempt to hit the rastaman. OMG! The bottle shattered & cut into my girlfriend. The next thing I know I see guns, machetts & everyone is yelling call 119!

This was way too much drama for me! I was simply having a decent converstaion with a man & someone, who was out of control & ignorant felt he had the right to start something.

Needless to say, we took my friend to the hospital & she recieved her stitches.

This was, in my opinion, a fight that was unnecessary & to this day, I have heard & seen many women who come here & end up in simular situations. It is a common story, just different situtaions.

The following nite, my friend wanted to return to the bar to see the owner & assure him that she was alright. I protested, but then agreed to just visit for a moment & then leave. When we reached the bar & was sitting with the owner at a table, I was approached by a man who said he'd like to talk to me. I looked at him & gave him the ugliest face i could imagine. I wasn't interested in any man. I didn't come here to meet a man & now I could see how out of control they could be.

As it turns out this man, ran into me many times as I was walking down the street in Mo Bay. I finally became very good friends with him & after many years of getting to know him, he is now my husband.

I am now living in Jamaica & I see woman come to visit everyday. I see the same men in town, trying to pick up these women. I see the guys with one woman one night & another the next. Each time, usually, I see these guys looking deep into a womans eyes, with thier bodies very close together, sitting at a bar or on the beach. I see the women, laughing & playing & frolicing, like this is something very special to them. If only they knew.

I am not saying that all Jamaican men are like this. I too have met some wonderful men here over the years. But there are some & they have a game plan & if you play into it, then once the cards are dealt, then the game is on. And I caution women, that unless you know the rules to the game & how to outwit a master, then you will lose. They will win!

If a woman is coming for romance or pure sex, then she will have more then she imagined. It's here for the taking, but, remember, you can not make it into more then what it is. You can not take that little bit of romance home with you & put it in your drawer & keep it forever. It was what is was, while it was happening. Don't try to make it more then that.

I also don't believe that Jamaican men have a need for sex with toursit. It's not like they can't have sex here on the Island with Jamaican women. And yes we all know that Jamaican women are, in my opinion, some of the most beautiful women in the world. So why a tourist? I don't believe it has anything to do with sex, maybe not even love, but for most of the men who are players, they give that to a woman bacause that is what she wants & that gives him an opportunity to get in close to her & ultimately obtain what he is looking for. Wheather that be money or a visa or what ever. But ladies who think that their bodies are the best, the hottest or in demand, cannot see what is really happening.

I am not trying in anyway to say that true romance doesn't happen & that these men are not capable of really loving. I know that there are women who find love, as I have. I just say, like the other women, walk with caution. Keep your eyes open.

Yes time tells all. Unless you don't plan on living for another 10 years, then you have all of the time in the world, to observe & protect yourself.

This Island can be paradise & it also can be hell. It is what you make of it, just like any other place in the world.

[queenb]

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I gotta get in this. There are a lot of women who go to Jamaica for just what they get: sex with someone that they would never even speak to at home. There are some who get deeper involved with men who involve them in order to get money and sex in a premeditated manner. There are some that get involved with men who find them attractive or witty; but they themselves are not looking for a long-term or LDR. Some get involved with much younger men. Many get involved with men of another race. Some develop friendships that are purely platonic. Some develop friendships that start out platonic, then blossom into sexual relations. Some develop sexual relations that mellow into friendships.

The point I am raising is that this is not really different than relationships at home, only the distance is the factor that makes it stand out. The same people who get played in Jamaica, get played at home. The reason the relationships get so much attention is that they are often between a white tourist female and a black Jamaican male. If the races and economic status of the participants were the same, I'm sure most people would have nothing to say about them. One needs to know what indeed one wants; then get it. We all make mistakes as we go along life's path; we just need to learn from our mistakes.

[rastagal777]

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I personally think that if you are traveling to Jamaica as a woman you should have some insight as to what the jamaican men can be like...this is a great thread to share some of that info I think it is unfortunate that some women get taken for ALOT of money while there because they think their guy is truly in love with them, and then they continue to send them money when they get back home. These guys really know how to boost your ego making you think you are the best thing they have ever come across.

What I have found funny since traveling to Negril so often, is that you begin to meet other women that travel there frequently, some from different countries even, and once you start comparing notes, you come to find out that so and so that is supposed to be seeing your friend is also with this other person...ect..embarrisingly enough it has even happened to me! One of my good friends that I go to Jamaica with knew another girl who also goes often(both from the states),who knew of ANOTHER girl who lived in Germany and was dating the same guy I was! It can be worse than a soap opera, fortunately I was prepared to hear something like that because I know how these guys can be,especially at this particular hotel, but the poor German girl was heartbroken after she found out, and apparently had put alot into the relationship...So to make a long story longer, Just be prepared as to what you are getting yourself into if you decide you want a love interest in Jamaica,or anywhere else for that matter...but most of all just enjoy yourself and the time you have to spend there, that is really what a vacation is all about anyway. Respect!

[geocox]

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WOW!! Ladies: I found that coming down alone is the way for me; why? I discovered the women I Was shocked, I wasn't looking for a relationship, I wanted satisfaction and I found that, But!! When I got back to phoenix the calls started, "GarrrGA~ why ya nebar call me? Why ya nebar call me baK??
I felt that someone really liked me, so I went to westernunion.Ugh Big mistake. I wasn't special, I was vulnerable and naive.
I had just been with this girl that I always wanted in college, she wouldn't give me the time of day ,Now she was calling me everyday. I booked another trip! Bang I was really into the romance.
Than I got some fantastic advice from Jamlover. I met another girl who told me how Jamaican women were. Hell, she was a dancer at Close Encounters and she was helping me understand how to work the Jamaican situation. One night I met the girl of my dreams, the prom Queen,2 nights and days of heaven I was, hooked.
The other girl came back and told me to switch and see what happens. So that night I went out found a familiar face and we went to the Bird for fun. 2 hours later my door was banging, yelling, screaming. Bim the night man was standing with his machete 10 feet away for "MY" protection.
I am with this woman for 5 trips now and I do have another woman.
I think if you can have several lovers, the girls (or guys) will stay in line because they know one mistake there history.(Jamlover advice) Jamaican men do this.
Now Ladies you need to work it as the men do, have more than one, "let the men know you are doing this". Keep the men in mystery of who the other is and If you don't have one; invent him. This works.
Now I still get the phone calls, average 3 per week, 2-3 different women. But November 29th I will be back and the women don't know If THEY will be the one. I still make mistakes but since there are 2 of them I feel I'm safe from romance, till December. Geo

[Kojak and Lucky]

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George...

You're sounding like the ultimate "Sugar Daddy!"

[rastagal777]

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I second that vote Geo!

[Redj]

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Well well well......... some very interesting stories. Maybe we should seek out a publisher??
I agree with everything that is being said... and more......

Well I got some stories too...

I first went to Jamaica in 1990 with my best friend, she had lived in Mo Bay with a rasta for a yr, and understood the lingo. I was just turning 40 and she was 42. We stayed in Sandy Bay for 1 mth on that first trip, big mistake, too far from the beach. But I did learn how to take taxi and bus, and get home before dark!
Our 2nd trip we stayed at Firefly, it was safe and we could walk anywhere, it was purfect for us. On that trip we met up with some bachelor farmers from Minnesota, and had a blast! We were toured around, introduced to many people, and got into some very interesting places. The bachelors stayed across the road, at Moonrise Villa, we were on the beach. Me and my friend never had any problems, except being called Lesbians, cause we didn't play any games with the "beach boys" and enjoyed talking to bartenders who were both women and men. Th lways look out for you, if you are a regular customer !!!! )
On our 3rd trip we stayed where the farmers did, we liked the place it was safe secure and lots of fun, run by a jam. family that lived on the compound. On that trip, we had our fav driver pick us up at the airport as usual. It was late, we were pretty loaded (as usual), but we got to the hotel in one piece. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Our driver got us into our room, with keys in our pockets, and showed us how the lock worked etc.... what a great guy! There was another man there also, I had never seen him before, the driver and he were friends. The driver finally left after one last cold drink, but this man, was still in our room... I finally asked if he was the owners husband, he said no. Now, I was not afraid, because our driver had left him with us, so I knew we were not in danger. I slowly, rose to my feet.... and pulled myself up to all 5ft 3 of me, and said, Sir, it is late, I do not know you, and I must ask you to leave, right now. He stood up all 6ft 1, of himself, said no problem, he was b. and a friend of the farmers (who were out) and that he had instructions from them to make sure, we got to our room safe and sound, and get anything we needed. He walked to the door, me hot on his heels, said good night, and I felt like a real goof. Next day, while hanging out with the farmers I find out that the man I kicked out of our room, is the general maintence man (and late night music man), that they had known for 15 yrs!
Back then rasta.b had short hair, and no beard. On our 4th and 5th trips, we saw his rasta.b, quite often, and we all became good friends. On my 6th trip -something happened.... at "Roots
Bamboo" we were all having a grand time, the farmers, us, and rasta.b- we sorta bumped into each other, touched... and I looked deep into his eyes... he smiled... and I wondered... my goodness where has his man been ALL my life!
Needless to say, the rest of the story in history.
On that trip I was lucky and was able to spend 10 wks in Jam.
I have been to places that most white peeps never get to. And had many experiances none bad. I am always careful, and never go out alone or to places that no one knows me. Rasta.b over the yrs, when I did see him with women, they were always Jamaican. And the "working girls" that all knew him, always called him, Uncle B. as did alot of men.
On that 6th trip, I was travelling alone, but knew I had friends where I always stayed. I was abit out of it, as my long time husband had died afew mth earlier. I could have been a REAL easy target, but having friends all around, I was well taken care of, and not pestered at all.
So my advice is .... not to date anyone, unless you have known them for at least 5 yrs !!! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I'm abit off the topic... I think. But who cares.

Rasta.b and I got married in 1999. We live in Canada now.
If you think Jam men are hard to understand now, just wait to you bring one farrin with you. HAH !!

Anyways, back to the topic, I think what someone said ealier. If you wouldn't do it at home, don't do it on vacation, is very good advice !!!

(me, I know am one of the lucky ones, that got a good hard working man) I think the men over 40 are not as goofy as the "young hard bodies", if you know what I mean....... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Just be yourself, and never show off.
Relax and be happy. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]