'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

[evanovitch]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so the overlords, r these the 21 families and if dem is, how come man eena di garrison still a bow to di 21 families still..r is new overlords we a tawk bout?

all now we no get no form a justice since we leff di plantation </div></div>. The golden rule always truimp all other rules. <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">He who controls the gold makes the rules</span>. </span>



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wich still begs mi question re clarification...r the 21 families still di gold holders...an seeing dat fi di most dem is in tourism and odda high end bizniz, how does it serve dem to have the island get an international reputation for murders....seeing dat di murders r no longer confined to the garrisons...

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> so the overlords, r these the 21 families and if dem is, how come man eena di garrison still a bow to di 21 families still..r is new overlords we a tawk bout?

all now we no get no form a justice since we leff di plantation </div></div>. The golden rule always truimp all other rules. <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">He who controls the gold makes the rules</span>. </span>



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wich still begs mi question re clarification...r the 21 families still di gold holders...an seeing dat fi di most dem is in tourism and odda high end bizniz, how does it serve dem to have the island get an international reputation for murders....seeing dat di murders r no longer confined to the garrisons... </div></div>If the criminals are not busy attacking other like themsleves,you think they wouldn't be still busy?/ ever herd the saying who always find work for idle hands?
That is th eprinciple of fuedalism. It is the rule,by creatuing fueds, between those who are most likly to upset your plans.
If the were not kept busy seeing each other as their uppressors,they may have united and fight the true opressors.

[jah_yout]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

who are these big men?

<span style="font-weight: bold">starts with the prime minister...the biggest sellout of all;</span>

bout gays...him fi gooweh wid dat and speak about the crime problem </div></div>

do u consider him on par with all the 'conscious' Ras and reggae officinadoes, who sing of change, betterment , yet do nothing to effect change....r the ones who maintain dem badman image so as to kip it real wid dem previous residential areas also on par wid the sellout imagery...u know, driving dem Benz or SUV from Cherry Gardens dung to di garrison to incite bad man image </div></div>

no i do not under any circumstances consider him on par...

he was entrusted with the authority of the citizenry to 'rule' over their country in their best interests...
believe it or not i'm not singlimg out bruce almighty...
it is more the system of which he is the fugurehead rather than the man himself...
it would be very brave of him or any other prime minister to step outside of it as it would mean almost certain death at the hands of the unseen overlords...

until then jamaica will continue down this road </div></div>


and the 'overlords' r any worse than the slave masters were? r we so cowed as a people that we will continue under tyranny of the few ....Jamaican slaves were considered some of the fiercest in terms of always agitating against the institution of slavery....have we lost that DNA trait...an if we have, why? we continue to stride ahead in doing awesome things that astonish the world given our acreage and population...so why we so complacent an willing to visit genocide on each other..we lead the world in boycotting South Africa, long before the US saw the PR benefits of coming on board....our citizens used their legal know how to defend freedom fighters in the anti Colonial fights in Africa...we developed a music and a way of life, a hairstyle that is alll over the world...so if we at 144 sq miles an a population that hovers at 2.5 M can do all that, why cant we fight against the few who make all our peace an love and out of many , one, statements hypocrisy of the first order....

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the overlords ARE the slavemasters...
the prime ministers are just their puppets or kept men if you will...
not that we are cowed as a people but in this time propoganda and tricknology are much more powerful than the time of the morant bay rebellion when we had less tools of trickery to deal with and could call a spade a spade...

nowadays a spade is a 'earth sorting and reconstitution device'...so wi get confused; i love the politicians and their fancy talk but bottom line is they are lying to the jamaican people...people are like sheep- they can be led and influenced..until some new paul bogles emerge, the follytricksters will continue to sell our people down the river...
hopefully there is a great leader waiting right now- probably a likkle yute, who will receive the anointing...we need them again...just like we needed cudjoe &amp; nanny...cause these guys ain't gonna do it...

so the overlords, r these the 21 families and if dem is, how come man eena di garrison still a bow to di 21 families still..r is new overlords we a tawk bout?

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as wi a talk bout gays in the last post...
the overlords and their garrison enforcers know who are the new batsmen of jamaica...
<span style="font-weight: bold">but everyone else will dance around the real issue </span>

but we trying not to do dat here an now...so who r the overlords..fi real...as to Bruce and the gays, it was not him mekking it an issue...it was made an issue wen smaddy tek di time to ask him bout it...he responded and like it or not, he responded as his conviction stands..wedda it was politically correk is anodda issue...but Bruce did not make gays a stance....oddas did an now bex cause him neva blink...

an bak to the overloads an garrison enforcers, r the garrison enforcers, who we know to be black jamaicans, r they doing the will of politicians an couple black bizniz leaders, or r the doing the will of the chinese, coolie ,syrian, white an oddas who seem to mek up the infamous 21 families....memba dat the bizniz sector has seen a huge influx of Indians from India, Trinidad etc an nuff Chinese from China, Hong Kong etc

so do we have a new set of overlords r the existing still in vogue and been shored up by new arrivals...an wat is it dat deh deh from long time yaadie will still kill who deh rung dem while not even able to visit big man a him yaad except pon di sly fi get di instructions...cause dat is how it would read ....cause if big man a go dung a garrison fi let off ordas, well den dem shud be able fi be noticed quik quik ,dont?

they are doing the will of the gov't...the gov't protects the chinese, syrians, indians because they wouldn't be coming to scary jamaica without guaranteed protection...just like when they shipped in chinese workers in the free-zone sites; the gov't is essentially a tool of the 'global economy' which means keeping regular black jamaicans as poor &amp; in disarray as possible...the garrison enforcers prey on the poor to enrich the already rich and along with the gov't are jamaica's biggest sellouts...
so long these nations playing this came and few willing to call them out...
the overlords (america, europe, asia) ultimate goal is to make the nation one big sweatshop of cheap labor &amp; expensive consumer goods...
too bad we have accepted this as the way of the world.
gov'ts have to keep order and the best way to keep order in jamaica is with their tried and true method of disinformation and homegrown terror...

[evanovitch]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

so u saying dat we ha two set of overlords in Ja..the global community at large and the 21 families ....an both r enabled by the govament along wid a few chosen bad men from di garrisons...

[jah_yout]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

basically...

but it's a chain of command

[evanovitch]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

so wat u tink is di end result of the current killings? is it the culling of the population to mek a more manageable number so dat di global community can come een an mek it one giant tourism hotel island r someting else? ...a mean, dere has to be some reason for the madness...wat do u surmise it to be?

[jah_yout]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

new world order ting...

it's not a joke...truss mi when i went back to j-a and seen the whole heap of mcdonalds burger king kentucky pizza hut taco bell, etc etc.
yute &amp; yute a wear merkkan flag bandanas, etc.
i said yes the takeover is in full swing...hear bout all the killings and rape &amp; moral decay i say yes the natives also helping out with the takeover...

yes they want to make the caribbean a playground (and dumping ground of who knows what yet)for the west and they are 1/4 of the way there...the plan is working to perfection and the quicker we kill each other off and strike fear into the hearts of would be repatriates the more successful their plan...

one time you had jamaican patriots but not again...
who willing to fight and die for jamaica...no one?
ok this is a problem...
sorry i can't even listen to these politicians...if the big corporation controller money elites have the u.s. presidents in their back pocket then imagine likkle ole jamaica...

it is in all their interests to keep the people poor and ignorant or they would tear ish up

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

It is easier for many to believe that the shrub is manitulated by the corporate intrest,but Jamaican politicians just operate in a vaciuum.
the same people that had control of the country under the auspices of the British crown,gave up after independence,and all politicians are free todo as they wish. yet ionly people who can afford it can finance political parties,and political parties are fundded exclusively through private donations. You mean we so naive to believe that if you follow th emoney ypu on'tw find the strings that are being pulled?
Hey we are black people we are not supposed to be able yo think that well.

[evanovitch]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">new world order ting...

it's not a joke...truss mi when i went back to j-a and seen the whole heap of mcdonalds burger king kentucky pizza hut taco bell, etc etc.
yute &amp; yute a wear merkkan flag bandanas, etc.
i said yes the takeover is in full swing...hear bout all the killings and rape &amp; moral decay i say yes the natives also helping out with the takeover...

yes they want to make the caribbean a playground (and dumping ground of who knows what yet)for the west and they are 1/4 of the way there...the plan is working to perfection and the quicker we kill each other off and strike fear into the hearts of would be repatriates the more successful their plan...

one time you had jamaican patriots but not again...
who willing to fight and die for jamaica...no one?
ok this is a problem...
sorry i can't even listen to these politicians...if the big corporation controller money elites have the u.s. presidents in their back pocket then imagine likkle ole jamaica...

it is in all their interests to keep the people poor and ignorant or they would tear ish up </div></div>

so u saying we r going to be like the Batista era Cuba?

[jah_yout]

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it might actually be worse when it's all said and done because the cubans had brave patriots in castro &amp; guevera willing to fight for the homeland...

i hope jamaica has them too but i don't know

the merkka worship mesmerize nuff a dem brain...

when i saw mcdonalds &amp; burger king inna yaad more than mom &amp; pop my heart sank...

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it might actually be worse when it's all said and done because the cubans had brave patriots in castro &amp; guevera willing to fight for the homeland...

i hope jamaica has them too but i don't know

the merkka worship mesmerize nuff a dem brain...

when i saw mcdonalds &amp; burger king inna yaad more than mom &amp; pop my heart sank... </div></div> But Castro had the CIA to support him. They wanted to use him just as they did Batista after they had put Batista power. Castro refused, and the rest is history.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">new world order ting...

it's not a joke...truss mi when i went back to j-a and seen the whole heap of mcdonalds burger king kentucky pizza hut taco bell, etc etc.</div></div>A bunch a crock!

[neutral]

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All dis talk of &quot;overlords&quot; and &quot;21 families&quot; made me almost laugh my bollocks off,...now its a conspiracy...Lol !

If there was some kind of organisation or militia in Jamaica instead of pockets of disorganised bandits, killing each other and each other`s families,... through reprisals,....then the conspiracy theory would probably hold more water.

I spoke on the phone to one of my cousins in Jamaica yesterday,he told me about a man that was brutally gunned down in the town in broad daylight and left in the road.
Most of the people in the local community knows which group of men are involved in the murder,my cousin himself is having to let off a few thousand dollars every now and again to this group to protect himself and business,...the reason they murdered the man was that they wanted to hire his car and he told them him naw hire out him cyar to no gunman......to them that was showing disrespect,.....so a few days later they killed the man.
mi sure no &quot;overlords&quot; or &quot;21 families&quot; no involved in crimes like those,which is typical of the kind of murders in Jamaica,..if yu diss a man and him cyaan get you he`s likely to murder any member of your family he comes across,regardless of how young,...thats the kind of mentality that prevails,.....no conspiracy or big man involved innah dat.

Gunmen and their cohorts in garrisons who &quot;campaign strongly&quot; for politicians are protected,and defended by the politicians of these garrison constituencies,.....its this link we should be looking to break,..and stop the nonsense bout conspiracies.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

As I have stated time and time again.

We claim to be educated ,bit how do we sqiare the presence of

<span style="font-weight: bold">overlords in the UK that are given positions of power over

the masses</span> with the idea that any thought of that being in

place in a country that only 40 years ago was governmed by the

same authorities?? Do we really use the education we have as a

sort of tool by which we relate to life and the world?

Or do we keep it like a light under a bushell?? Does Britain have a house of lords?

Does Britain have a landed gentry?

Does Britain gave a monarchy that pill the strings in cahoots

with that landed gentry behind the elected politicians?

Now is it so impossible to have a replica of that system un a

country thatonly recently was forced to chaing their mode of government?

Now which story seem plausible and which seem rediciulous now?

[neutral]

Re: 'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

Sorry big man but I cant share your views on this one,I think its a bit far fetched, and a tad fantastical.