'big men' an politician behind crime..who r they?

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry big man but I cant share your views on this one,I think its a bit far fetched, and a tad fantastical. </div></div> Come on Newt, you live in a system that is run in a similar fashion. What makes it so far fetxhed?
Did it nit take violence and wars for that system to evolve in theUK?
Since those in elite have made sure that arms is restricted to the demography that woyld oppose such a policy,why woiuld they just let the country be run at the whims of a poorlyinfiormed and educated electorate?
Does that seem logical? You mean for people that have a histrory of going ro war to caoture and hold what they have. To jusr sit back, and let the former slaves have their way?
Talk about history,and it's relationship tp the present.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">new world order ting...

it's not a joke...truss mi when i went back to j-a and seen the whole heap of mcdonalds burger king kentucky pizza hut taco bell, etc etc.</div></div>A bunch a crock! </div></div>

so these chains are helping jamaica...

yes...the more mcdonalds bring een the more murders...

but ones blind to the master plan can't see that...
they think the future is in more americanism when jamaica does not manufacture big items the way america or japan does...
we have the illusion &amp; trappings of an america but we are not the same...
this illusion is bound to crash at some point...
especially with rising poil prices...

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All dis talk of &quot;overlords&quot; and &quot;21 families&quot; made me almost laugh my bollocks off,...now its a conspiracy...Lol !

If there was some kind of organisation or militia in Jamaica instead of pockets of disorganised bandits, killing each other and each other`s families,... through reprisals,....then the conspiracy theory would probably hold more water.

I spoke on the phone to one of my cousins in Jamaica yesterday,he told me about a man that was brutally gunned down in the town in broad daylight and left in the road.
Most of the people in the local community knows which group of men are involved in the murder,my cousin himself is having to let off a few thousand dollars every now and again to this group to protect himself and business,...the reason they murdered the man was that they wanted to hire his car and he told them him naw hire out him cyar to no gunman......to them that was showing disrespect,.....so a few days later they killed the man.
mi sure no &quot;overlords&quot; or &quot;21 families&quot; no involved in crimes like those,which is typical of the kind of murders in Jamaica,..if yu diss a man and him cyaan get you he`s likely to murder any member of your family he comes across,regardless of how young,...thats the kind of mentality that prevails,.....no conspiracy or big man involved innah dat.

Gunmen and their cohorts in garrisons who &quot;campaign strongly&quot; for politicians are protected,and defended by the politicians of these garrison constituencies,.....its this link we should be looking to break,..and stop the nonsense bout conspiracies.
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not so much a conspiracy as a reality...
the economic situation in j-a has roots in a bigger sea...the economic &amp; social condition is the breeding ground for the lawlessness;
you sertiously think the politicians have absolutely no control over what's going on?
then you are either naive or deluded...

so you choose to think the happenings is a random thing...just happenstance and no co-incidence that the rising murder rate has any connection to anything but roving bands of random gunmen...

ok mate

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">new world order ting...

it's not a joke...truss mi when i went back to j-a and seen the whole heap of mcdonalds burger king kentucky pizza hut taco bell, etc etc.</div></div>A bunch a crock! </div></div>

so these chains are helping jamaica...

yes...the more mcdonalds bring een the more murders...

but ones blind to the master plan can't see that...
they think the future is in more americanism when jamaica does not manufacture big items the way america or japan does...
we have the illusion &amp; trappings of an america but we are not the same...
this illusion is bound to crash at some point...
especially with rising poil prices... </div></div>

LOL...you make up straw men then knock them down...like I said a bunch of crock!

[bee_bop]

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Newt said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All dis talk of &quot;overlords&quot; and &quot;21 families&quot; made me almost laugh my bollocks off,...now its a conspiracy...Lol !

If there was some kind of organisation or militia in Jamaica instead of pockets of disorganised bandits, killing each other and each other`s families,... through reprisals,....then the conspiracy theory would probably hold more water.

I spoke on the phone to one of my cousins in Jamaica yesterday,he told me about a man that was brutally gunned down in the town in broad daylight and left in the road.</div></div>

Littleman says:
The many gangs that have been broken by Operation Kingfish, some of which were spreading their tentacles islandwide, is living proof of a conspiracy. The fact is that in breaking the backs of these gangs, the police have not got at the real 'head of the Hydra', the source of the problems.
The pattern of killings across the island, with some occurring within a narrow time frame, would suggest a crude effort at coordinating a wide-scale onslaught. In Montego Bay, before the General elections, there were a group of gunmen driving from community to community, randomly shooting poor, innocent people.
Just as these gunmen you speak of, left the dead body of one of their victims on the street, obviously to intimidate any possible source of resistance, showing to all passersby the consequences of not bowing to their will. In the same way, a lot of these criminal murders are meant to intimidate, to weaken the will of the strong, and frighten the timid.

[bee_bop]

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<span style="color: #660000"><span style="font-weight: bold">There are communities within Jamaica, that were built on the selflessness, and sacrifice, of the National Heroes of Jamaica.</span> Anyone who knows Jamaica, knows where I refer to. People like Nanny, who stood strong, has left an endearing legacy, the communities forged by her relentless efforts, and heroism, are among the strongest today, with very low crime rates.
Communities born out of the true grit, and determination, of Nanny's courage, as at the legendary 'Pumpkin Patch' where she and her men made the momentous decision never to surrender to those who would take away the freedoms of her people, and to hold out for the ripening of life-giving pumpkins, or starve to death.
This is the stuff that these true Jamaican communities are made of. <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-style: italic">Not the cowardice, and selfishness, of some mindless scumbags, who don't even deserve mention.</span></span>
Sam Sharpe who led one of the most near-successful slave revolts, the cost, and extent of which, is thought to have forced the then British government to give up on slavery. When the Rev. Sam Sharpe was about to be hung, he was visited by his white, British, foster parents, who asked him why did he do what he did, suggesting that the privileges they afforded him should have been enough. Sam Sharpe answered them, &quot;a canary in its cage, would like to be free,&quot; and he was subsequently hung. It's the legacy of these brave, and selfless few, that has made Jamaica as resilient as it has been, in some areas, as opposed to others.
Kingston has been, for a long time, a Parish of divided communities. It has been since, the weak underbelly, a reflection of what is weak in Jamaica, and like most weaknesses, it is spreading like a disease, gaining far more attention than it deserves, taking the true glory away from those who are more deserving. <span style="font-weight: bold">Nanny, Sam Sharpe, Marcus Garvey, Paul Bogle, and George William Gordon must turn in their graves today.</span> Their legacies being destroyed by the undeserving, defiled by the unworthy. The people they fought so bravely for being enslaved in a modern time, by the fear of violence. The matyrdom of some of these noble heroes wasted by a low-life few.</span>

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #660000"><span style="font-weight: bold">There are communities within Jamaica, that were built on the selflessness, and sacrifice, of the National Heroes of Jamaica.</span> Anyone who knows Jamaica, knows where I refer to. People like Nanny, who stood strong, has left an endearing legacy, the communities forged by her relentless efforts, and heroism, are among the strongest today, with very low crime rates.
Communities born out of the true grit, and determination, of Nanny's courage, as at the legendary 'Pumpkin Patch' where she and her men made the momentous decision never to surrender to those who would take away the freedoms of her people, and to hold out for the ripening of life-giving pumpkins, or starve to death.
This is the stuff that these true Jamaican communities are made of. <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-style: italic">Not the cowardice, and selfishness, of some mindless scumbags, who don't even deserve mention.</span></span>
Sam Sharpe who led one of the most near-successful slave revolts, the cost, and extent of which, is thought to have forced the then British government to give up on slavery. When the Rev. Sam Sharpe was about to be hung, he was visited by his white, British, foster parents, who asked him why did he do what he did, suggesting that the privileges they afforded him should have been enough. Sam Sharpe answered them, &quot;a canary in its cage, would like to be free,&quot; and he was subsequently hung. It's the legacy of these brave, and selfless few, that has made Jamaica as resilient as it has been, in some areas, as opposed to others.
Kingston has been, for a long time, a Parish of divided communities. It has been since, the weak underbelly, a reflection of what is weak in Jamaica, and like most weaknesses, it is spreading like a disease, gaining far more attention than it deserves, taking the true glory away from those who are more deserving. <span style="font-weight: bold">Nanny, Sam Sharpe, Marcus Garvey, Paul Bogle, and George William Gordon must turn in their graves today.</span> Their legacies being destroyed by the undeserving, defiled by the unworthy. The people they fought so bravely for being enslaved in a modern time, by the fear of violence. The matyrdom of some of these noble heroes wasted by a low-life few.</span> </div></div>

true true...

the real shame is that our legacy of fight &amp; resistance to opression seems lost;

like i said- this is not the jamaica i knew and our ancestors who fought for freedom are thoroughly ashamed of us right now...

i call the politicians and the gunmen sellouts &amp; traitors an mi nah tekk back mi chat

[bee_bop]

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<span style="color: #660000">Righteously...</span>

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Littleman says:
The many gangs that have been broken by Operation Kingfish, some of which were spreading their tentacles islandwide, is living proof of a conspiracy. The fact is that in breaking the backs of these gangs, the police have not got at the real 'head of the Hydra', the source of the problems.</div></div>

Can you name even one gang that has been broken up by KingSpin.....I will give you 7 days?

[evanovitch]

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u know a dat mi did tink to miself...Kingfish no touch no gang a yaad yet...dem ketch couple man but dem gang sprout new head an gwane wid dem bizniz...

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">u know a dat mi did tink to miself...Kingfish no touch no gang a yaad yet...dem ketch couple man but dem gang sprout new head an gwane wid dem bizniz... </div></div>
The Minister of National Security up to two days ago was saying there 127 gangs causing trouble. He never said even one or any of them were destroyed. The only gang that was destroyed was the Andem Gang and KingSpin try, as it might be able to claim any credit for that.

[bee_bop]

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<span style="color: #990000">Since the death of 'Bulbie', there has been a noticeable, and relative, quiet in Spanish Town. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">People there have been walking upright, as Homo Sapiens have been doing for millions of years</span></span>. The Stone Crusher Crew, of Montego Bay, hasn't been in the news for some time now.
Naturally, the root cause of these gangs is still there, the soft under-belly of Jamaica; misguided youth are not in short supply, unlike the well-thinking people who used to make up most of Jamaica, who have been rapidly dwindling. </span>

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #990000">Since the death of 'Bulbie', there has been a noticeable, and relative, quiet in Spanish Town. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">People there have been walking upright, as Homo Sapiens have been doing for millions of years</span></span>. The Stone Crusher Crew, of Montego Bay, hasn't been in the news for some time now.
Naturally, the root cause of these gangs is still there, the soft under-belly of Jamaica; misguided youth are not in short supply, unlike the well-thinking people who used to make up most of Jamaica, who have been rapidly dwindling. </span> </div></div>
The 1stOrder and Clans have called well-published truce. The war itself would have cooled off if were it not for Bulbie that is one reason why he was betrayed. The two gangs have in no way shape or form been destroyed. Today there was a report of gangs on the rampage in Effortville and it was said that it was these gangs that were branching out from Spanish Town into these smaller areas, where the rivalry has just started, that is causing the problems.

As for the Bone-Crushers one year after the KingSpin said they crushed the Gang, they went back on themselves and have brought them up many times as a problem in MoBay. In fact it was to find the leaders of the Bone-Crusha that they claimed the raid on Tivoli where 5 young men were murdered was about. I found this extraordinary but since the Bone-Crusha Gang is aligned to the PNP and in no way shape or form could be holed up in Tivoli.

Can you come with some more <span style="font-weight: bold">legitimat</span>e claims?

[bee_bop]

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Littleman says:
<span style="color: #660000">You want a legitimate claim??? As if I haven't repeated myself enough already-
Since the death of 'Bulbie', there has been a noticeable, and relative, quiet in Spanish Town. <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-weight: bold">People there have been walking upright, as Homo Sapiens have been doing for millions of years</span></span></span>. The rest is about troublesome, and misguided youth, brought up in weak communities, and without proper parenting, who have been given a level of importance beyond the capacity of their poorly developed characters...</span>

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Littleman says:
<span style="color: #660000">You want a legitimate claim??? As if I haven't repeated myself enough already-
Since the death of 'Bulbie', there has been a noticeable, and relative, quiet in Spanish Town. <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-weight: bold">People there have been walking upright, as Homo Sapiens have been doing for millions of years</span></span></span>. The rest is about troublesome, and misguided youth, brought up in weak communities, and without proper parenting, who have been given a level of importance beyond the capacity of their poorly developed characters...</span> </div></div>

All I asking you to do is to provide proof that KingSpin has broken up even one gang not emotional, anecdotal ramblings.