monarchy in jamaica

[bee_bop]

Re: monarchy in jamaica

<span style="color: #660000">Due to the woes in Jamaica today, I think there are some people who would believe that Jamaica made a mistake in leaving the Empire.
However, a study of Jamaican history, and that of Africa's, would suggest that Jamaica's core culture, and the pride it has, never evolved as a result of English rule.

I say core culture, because there are two societies in Jamaica, one that is slowly disintegrating, and caving in to pressures from so-called garrisons, and the other which has maintained reasonable stability, and requires minimal policing, or governmental support.

There were a lot of places in Jamaica in which English culture was only a marginal influence...
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 14pt">Nanny of the Maroons was the real heroine of Jamaica...one could say the true Mother of Jamaica,</span></span></span> she was the one who developed communities that were not needing British support, and were constantly under siege from the British Crown, and with which Britain wrote a major Peace Treaty, recognizing the territorial authority of the Maroons.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Anyway out of respect for her Majesty the Queen, I say big-up, and her reign has indeed been a long and distinguished one, from a diplomatic perspective.</span> </span>

[liam]

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im not trying to reason with you. im trying to educate you. and if that has to be by debate then fine.

[julie*mango]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: liam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not trying to reason with you. <span style="font-weight: bold">im trying to educate you.</span> and if that has to be by debate then fine. </div></div>

So are you saying that us Jamaicans are uneducated??????

[bee_bop]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: liam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not trying to reason with you. im trying to educate you. and if that has to be by debate then fine. </div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #660000">Educate??? Yours is a very narrow-minded education. Education seeks to inform, on an objective basis, and to encourage reasoning behaviour, not merely to superimpose a body of knowledge as superior to another.</span>

[liam]

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im not saying the british changed the culture of jamaicans or any thing, i just want you to see how the monarchy benifits jamaica, you may not like britain.. im fine with that carry on.... but you can still like the queen. if not as somthing to be proud of , but as somthing that helps keep you safe, wealthy and happy. it is not her that hurt ur ansestors in any way, im not refuring to the empire in any way. the monarchy does not have to relate to either of them, when you can understand this you will see the truth about the monarchy.

[liam]

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&quot;Littleman says:
Educate??? Yours is a very narrow-minded education. Education seeks to inform, on an objective basis, and to encourage reasoning behaviour, not merely to superimpose a body of knowledge as superior to another.&quot;

im seeking to inform but i cant because i got argument, i do keep stating facts.

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: liam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">id like you to also do some reasearch look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade you will see maps and that it doesnt say british empire it says many other empires! proving it is not all the british, u just want some one to blaim for the awful things that happend which i respect. and im not talking about them im talking about the monarchy which is 100% different </div></div>


wikipedia is not considered a credible source for students and neither on here

[liam]

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wikipedia says enough for that particular fact.

[sistacaf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> apart from you being years and years out of date as this happend in the 90's </div></div>


stating facts, u say? mmmmHM.

what about <span style="font-weight: bold">this</span> fact??

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<span style="font-style: italic">article:</span>
The Times
<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: #6600CC"> <span style="font-size: 14pt"> July 1, 2008 </span> </span></span> </span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">Can't pay for your palace? Then get out </span></span></span>
<span style="font-style: italic">The question of monarchy goes to the heart of the sort of society in which we want to live. </span>
by Mick Hume

Her Majesty the Queen has let it be known that, as one headline put it “One is on one's uppers”. Apparently the Queen cannot afford to get the decorators into Buckingham Palace without more government money.

In which case, might one make a modest proposal? Parliament should vote to abolish the monarchy, declare the United Kingdom “an independent, indivisible, sovereign, secular and inclusive democratic republic nation”, then give the Royal Family a fortnight to quit the palace and turn it into a museum.
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<span style="font-style: italic">the monarchy makes great britain great, the queen runs the country brilliently, she has devoted her life to her country
&lt;etc etc etc&gt; </span>

<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Liam philpott,</span> kent, UK </span>

full article

[julie*mango]

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I must agree that the Queen has been dedicated and diligent in carrying out her duties. I respect her for that. However, she is of no great benefit as you would like us to believe...Jamaica is no wealthier or safer because of her...

and no it was not her who was responsible for slavery, however it is the monarchy that encouraged colonization and robbed the colonies of it's wealth. And she represents that same monarchy that destroyed people and lands.

[Shine_Eye_Girl]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: liam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">churchhill once said &quot;never give up&quot; and i will stick to this, and i will go on fighting. untill i breath my last i will defend the queen in every way i can. and as a matter of fact i have made quite a few members from this site, they PM'ed me, it seems there are still monarchists alive in jamaica. and ill find you all
then you will join our-royals.com and we can defend her majesty together </div></div>


Are you just looking for hits to your site? If that's it, just say instead of looking like royal donkey....hee haw.....

[julie*mango]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">article:

The Times
<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: #6600CC"> <span style="font-size: 14pt"> July 1, 2008 </span> </span></span> </span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">Can't pay for your palace? Then get out </span></span></span>
<span style="font-style: italic">The question of monarchy goes to the heart of the sort of society in which we want to live. </span>
by Mick Hume

Her Majesty the Queen has let it be known that, as one headline put it “One is on one's uppers”. Apparently the Queen cannot afford to get the decorators into Buckingham Palace without more government money.

In which case, might one make a modest proposal? Parliament should vote to abolish the monarchy, declare the United Kingdom “an independent, indivisible, sovereign, secular and inclusive democratic republic nation”, then give the Royal Family a fortnight to quit the palace and turn it into a museum.
&lt;snipped&gt;

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posted reply:

<span style="font-style: italic">the monarchy makes great britain great, the queen runs the country brilliently, she has devoted her life to her country
&lt;etc etc etc&gt; </span>

<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Liam philpott,</span> kent, UK </span>

full article </div></div>

Sistacaf!!!

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly_n_Belly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I must agree that the Queen has been dedicated and diligent in carrying out her duties. I respect her for that. However, she is of no great benefit as you would like us to believe...Jamaica is no wealthier or safer because of her...

and no it was not her who was responsible for slavery, however it is the monarchy that encouraged colonization and robbed the colonies of it's wealth. And she represents that same monarchy that destroyed people and lands. </div></div>

and also of the same monarchy that developed classism by color aka racism

[liam]

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is jamaica a country looking forward or a country only looking back, you can learn things from your past, but you cannot move forward by looking souly at your past, slavery has ended, so has empire. we are now left with the outcomes of these, nothing can be done about this, some are good yet some are bad, we need to learn from the bad and concentrate on the good, the monarchy is good, and it is a modern fair way to run a country. it makes us a profit, it keeps us happy safe and wealthy, it keeps millions of people full of pride. you may not agree with it, thats up to you. but dont purely argue on this because you are bord, ill talk if you talk, but if you flame im forced to do the same so i can be heared.
im going to bed now, but i will be back. it has helped my coming on here, i have understood another culture and nation more, i have made many members and i have hopfully informed you on a few facts.

[liam]

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hits to my site is good yes, but only because it benifits my queen.