Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

[Panajar]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shebada</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and you have posted this one SAME article on the board before so it would appear that that is your only proof.

I know <span style="text-decoration: underline">personally</span> ordinary black Jamaicans who own licenced firearms and to me that holds more weight than the one newspaper article that is ONE persons OPINION wheel an come again Panajar </div></div>

BECAUSE A ARTICLE HAS BEEN POSTED BEFORE ,DOES THAT INVALIDATE THE ARTICLE? I DONT SEE THE LOGIC BEHIND YOUR STATEMENT.

[diabolical_Tanya]

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you wouldn't

[Panajar]

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TEK UNU HEAD OUT THE SAND ..LOOK LIKE DOC DUDD IS THE ONLY ONE DAT CAN SEE THE TRUTH.




NEWSMAKER - Prudence Kidd-Deans 'shoots' from the hip
published: Tuesday | April 4, 2006

Howard Campbell, Gleaner Writer


KIDD-DEANS

SENATOR PRUDENCE Kidd-Deans chuckled as she read a headline, 'Pruddie a.k.a. Billy The Kid comes out gunning' in last Friday's Financial Gleaner.

The column by Raymond Forrest commented on her recent call for the removal of red tape to allow average Jamaicans to obtain a gun licence.

Mrs. Kidd-Deans, 53, has felt a lot of heat since she made the call on March 18 during the Senate's State of the Nation debate. She said it was necessary as rampant criminality continues to claim hundreds of lives in this country.

&quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">I recommend that every level of bureaucracy be removed to facilitate the application of every law-abiding Jamaican who has applied and who fits the criteria to be granted a firearm licence expeditiously, that such a person can become a front-line soldier in his or her own defence,&quot; said Mrs. Kidd-Deans.</span>

SUPPORT, CRITICISMS

Police Commissioner, Lucius Thomas, supported her notion that it is the right for law-abiding citizens to bear arms once they go through appropriate channels.

Former Police Commissioner, Colonel Trevor MacMillan, backed Mrs. Kidd-Deans' statement. <span style="color: #FF0000">But it has been criticised by persons including Mr. Forrest and Andrew Chin, acting president of the Jamaica Rifle Association.</span>

Her speech caused as big an uproar as the 2003 recommendation by South Central St. Catherine Member of Parliament Sharon Hay-Webster for women with too many children to be sterilised.

Like Mrs. Hay-Webster, Mrs. Kidd-Deans is not backing down from her sensational proposal.

&quot;Absolutely not!&quot; she exclaimed from the porch of her home in Richmond Park, St. Andrew. &quot;What I have noticed is that there is the same response from private sector people, and I don't mean just business people,&quot; she added. &quot;But their view is not shared by the people on the ground.&quot;

<span style="font-size: 14pt">To reinforce her point, Mrs. Kidd-Deans said she was confident that 75 per cent of Jamaican legislators own a gun. She, however, is not one of them.</span>

&quot;I don't even like guns, but I am a practical person. I would want a gun if the necessity arrives to protect myself and my family,&quot; she argued. &quot;I am not saying to arm the citizenry, I am saying law-abiding citizens.&quot;

<span style="font-size: 20pt">According to Mrs. Kidd-Deans, over 4,000 persons applied for a gun licence in 2005. A great majority, she said, was turned down.</span>

In February, Government announced that the Independent Central Firearm Licensing Authority would replace the Jamaica Constabulary Force as the issuers of firearms. That six-member body, headed by former Jamaica Defence Force chief of staff, Major General John Simmonds, began functioning April 1.

The March 18 address was Mrs. Kidd-Deans' maiden speech to the Senate. She was sworn-in July 2004, weeks after she was appointed to represent the Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) as a senator by then party leader and her political mentor, Edwad Seaga.

That year, she expressed an interest in running for JLP general secretary but withdrew from the race.

STRONG ROOTS

Mrs. Kidd-Deans' roots in the JLP are strong. Her father, educator Daniel Warren Kidd, was at the Ward Theatre when the party was launched in 1941 and later acted as a campaign manager for future Prime Minister Hugh Shearer.

He is probably best known as the founder of Warren Hall High School where Prudence, the seventh of his 14 children, once taught. Mr. Kidd, now 95 years old, lives with her.

Senator Kidd-Deans, a divorcee, is the mother of four daughters.

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[RichD]

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she sey this

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;I am not saying to arm the citizenry, I am saying law-abiding citizens.&quot;</div></div>

and this
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">every law-abiding Jamaican who has applied and who fits the criteria</div></div>


but never qualify dem....

[Gen]

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@ this chread

[diabolical_Tanya]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">published: Tuesday | April 4, 2006

</div></div> dude is stuck in the past

[Dr.Dudd]

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Maybe the policy is stuck in the past.
Since Nothing has change since 2006. As a matter of fact they cancelled some since for no logical reason.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shebada</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">published: Tuesday | April 4, 2006

</div></div> dude is stuck in the past </div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

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I know of a lot of patients that survive cancer too.

That should mean that cancer does not kill people too. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shebada</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and you have posted this one SAME article on the board before so it would appear that that is your only proof.

I know <span style="text-decoration: underline">personally</span> ordinary black Jamaicans who own licenced firearms and to me that holds more weight than the one newspaper article that is ONE persons OPINION wheel an come again Panajar </div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

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I published the main criteria that is used to eliminate applicants too.

And even CeeBee remarked about the ability of a police officer above certain rank refusing a person license even after they are equally qualified as all others.

those rules would not be legal in US. they have to create some reason, but in Jamaica They don't admit to racism. Not even the blacks that suffer under it.
...
The policy have within the personal judgement without ant provable reason to refuse legal gun license.
That is why some of them get murdered without any obvious reason. . <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
she say this

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;I am not saying to arm the citizenry, I am saying law-abiding citizens.&quot;</div></div>

and this
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">every law-abiding Jamaican who has applied and who fits the criteria</div></div>


but never qualify dem....

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[Panajar]

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A WISH MORE JAMAICANS WAS LIKE THIS STRONG WOMAN SENATOR







<span style="font-size: 20pt">Senator Lion-heart - Prudence Kidd-Deans Avia Ustanny
published: </span>

Prudence Kidd-Deans.

Avia Ustanny, Outlook Writer

IT MAY have seemed a very unwomanly thing to advocate.

But, in a life spent in politics Prudence Kidd-Deans has never had to stick to her 'defined role'. For this woman, conventions and opinions are meant to be changed when they are no longer useful.

In the recent State of the Nation debate, Senator Kidd-Deans stood on her feet to say:

&quot;Madam chairman, I recommend ... that every level of bureaucracy be removed to facilitate the application of every decent, law-abiding Jamaican who has applied and who fits the criteria for a firearm licence be granted one unhesita-tingly and expeditiously that such a person can become a front-line soldier in his or her own defence.&quot;

REACTION

Perhaps because she was a woman, the statement made prime time news. The reaction was surprising, she said. But Kidd-Deans has been bucking conventions all her life.

A self-described &quot;second generation Labourite&quot;, Kidd-Deans was born in Kingston where she grew up as a 'tom boy', passionately embracing football, cricket and other male sports.

Then, there was the influence of her father, Daniel Warren-Kidd. Founder and principal of the Warren Hall preparatory and high schools. Warren-Kidd, his daughter says, was Garveyite and a member of the UNIA before he entered politics.

&quot;He believed in education for the ordinary people and gave many scholarships and half scholarships to students.

With her siblings, Prudence attended her father's school, sharing space with such people as Portia Simpson Miller, Rita Marley, Kenneth Lewis (chairman of the Integrity Commission) and many others who came under the educator's influence.

PASSION FOR POLITICS

Along with his social consciousness, Prudence inherited his passion for politics.

Warren-Kidd was at the Ward Theatre when the Jamaica Labour Party was launched in 1941. The first campaign manager for Hugh Lawson Shearer, Prudence would be seated on his lap while he conversed with colleagues about party matters.

Mother Gwendolyn Warren-Kidd was a homemaker and dressmaker.

Recalling her influence, Prudence says, &quot;My mother transmitted her love of dressing well to her two daughters. We wore the latest styles to Sunday school at the Moravian Church in Richmond Park where we grew up. We were the talk of the community.&quot;

Her mother also taught her daughters the social graces.

There was no set point, no decisive moment when Prudence decided to follow in her father's footsteps.

&quot;I cannot remember a day when I was not involved in politics,&quot; Kidd-Deans states.

Even before she reached the age for voting, she was active in training agents for the campaign trail.

The children of Warren-Kidd were taken by their father everywhere, including South West St. Andrew where he was involved in teaching constituents to read and write. In Kingston, he also used his schools as an evening institute for those in nearby communities who could not read.

Prudence would have her first child by 17 and get married by 21 , but none of these diverted her from the passion which flowed like blood in the veins.

&quot;It was politics all the time.&quot;

CAMPAIGNING

Later, along with her brother, she took over the administration of her father's schools, but spent equal time campaigning and doing training for the JLP.

Her involvement was to eventually lead to employment as special assistant to Edward Seaga who was until 2005 the head of the JLP.

But, in 1979, Prudence Kidd-Deans was secretary of the Central St. Andrew constituency, working with Col. Leslie Lloyd, continuing to do work with her father in St Andrew South West. In other areas, she was also an agent, talking to and training members on the ground.

Kidd -Deans, by then the single mother of four girls, carried her children to meetings of Young Jamaica and the Women's Freedom Movement where she was secretary.

Her marriage had crumbled and - determined that her girls should not feel neglected in any way - she took them everywhere with her. Today the girls - Natalie, Priscilla, Kady and Trudy - are mature professionals who are proud to walk by their mother's side.

SPECIAL ASSISTANT

In 1996, she became special assistant to then JLP leader Edward Seaga, the man whom she says, besides her father and party member Victor Troupe, has been most influential in her political career.

&quot;He (Edward Seaga) was a lot like my father and so we shared the same synergy. He taught me the process of getting the job done.&quot;

Kidd-Deans said that she learnt much in terms of integrity, professionalism and leadership from the former party leader who said, &quot;You must listen to the opinion of everyone, but ultimately, you must make your own decision.&quot;

Kidd-Deans entered the Upper House on her own account in July 2004, weeks after she was appointed to represent the JLP as a senator by Seaga.

Membership in the Upper House, the senator says, has taught her the difference between raw politics and nation building.

&quot;You must think above the politics of the situation and deal with issues as they affect the nation. While you maintain your political allegiance, you must be able to balance the scales on behalf of the people of Jamaica.&quot;

<span style="font-size: 20pt">The gun licensing issue, she says, was something she felt passionately about.

&quot;The state cannot provide adequate security for most Jamaicans. You have to speak the truth. You have the right to defend yourself. Die like a soldier. Do not die like a wimp.&quot;</span>

The tough-talking senator notes that she also discussed other issues - including urban blight - which did not make the news at all.

&quot;I also spoke about the need to restore communities by giving residents incentives to upgrade and restore areas which have become havens for criminals.&quot;

Personally, she has few fears of her own safety and would never carry a gun.

&quot; I am a praying person,&quot; she states.

Kidd-Deans is gutsy, but hates it when people say &quot;you are a strong person,&quot; because she says, &quot;I am human too. My strength is connected to my faith.&quot;

The senator admits that, in order to survive in the male-dominated political world, she has had to adopt strategies which have left her branded an &quot;Amazon.&quot;

&quot;It's a fight. It's a battle.&quot;

BULLY

It's a challenge, she says, to strive for achievements, which make a difference to the country without being branded a bully in the process.

&quot;They say I am a bully. They say I am Mr. Seaga's axe woman. But, I have graduated from their criticism. I say (to them) you are not to (just) hear me. You are to listen.&quot;

Nationally, Kidd-Deans wishes that new policies will be brought to the table which would allow women to live with dignity.

&quot;I want the punishment for rape to be death. There needs to be more stringent laws along with the economic changes that give dignity to women and children. I hate to see women begging to send their children to school.&quot;

To those who may have doubted it, the senator still possesses the heart of woman. But, it is far from the weakness that some consider it to be.

Raise the subject of national security and you will see.

[Dyoll_73]

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Quite a few of my family members/relatives and some friends - all black - carry licensed firearms in Jamaica.

[Panajar]

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YU KNOW WHAT SOME OF THESE COUNTER ARGUMENT REMIND ME OF, OBAMA IS PRESIDENT SO RACISM DOES NOT EXIST IN THE USA.LOL

JUST BECAUSE SOME BLACKS IN JAMAICA OWN LEGAL FIREARMS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT RACE AND CLASS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUING OF FIREARM PERMITS.JAMAICA'S FIREARM LAWS CAME RIGHT OUT OF THE COLONIAL SYSTEM,A SYSTEM BASED ON COLOR.

[Dyoll_73]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IQ is very important in understanding my principles. It take a little more than being able to read. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the man had and used his firearm dudd....he's still quite dead. in this case, that gun didn't help him at all. </div></div> </div></div>dr dudd....do you think the best way to support your arguments is to question the intelligence of anybody who differs? I noticing a bit of a pattern ..do better dan dat man. </div></div>

The good doc had to resort to insult. What else could he do? If you're arguing from a position of weakness, you have to belittle your opponent. Only Panajar seem to revere this man, but I'm not surprised.

[Dr.Dudd]

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There is a big difference between reverence and logic.

I did not question the intelligence of any Post I state that for a person to understand th principles I base my proposal on. Require a certain level of IQ.

That mean it require reasonable ability to follow logic.
i don't consider that an insult.
People call me fool all the while and I don't consider it an insult.

i just make a measurable statement, for any person of reasonable intelligence to judge whether it is an insult or a factual statement. F<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Rudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IQ is very important in understanding my principles. It take a little more than being able to read. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the man had and used his firearm dudd....he's still quite dead. in this case, that gun didn't help him at all. </div></div> </div></div>dr dudd....do you think the best way to support your arguments is to question the intelligence of anybody who differs? I noticing a bit of a pattern ..do better dan dat man. </div></div>

The good doc had to resort to insult. What else could he do? If you're arguing from a position of weakness, you have to belittle your opponent. Only Panajar seem to revere this man, but I'm not surprised. </div></div>

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Then, there was the influence of her father, Daniel Warren-Kidd. Founder and principal of the Warren Hall preparatory and high schools. Warren-Kidd, his daughter says, was Garveyite and a member of the UNIA before he entered politics.

&quot;He believed in education for the ordinary people and gave many scholarships and half scholarships to students.
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The state cannot provide adequate security for most Jamaicans. You have to speak the truth. You have the right to defend yourself. Die like a soldier. Do not die like a wimp.&quot; </div></div>

come from good lineage...i like her style