Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

you knew Her father?
I knew the whole family. I think his son Joe still operate the school. The present mayor is closely associated to them too. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Then, there was the influence of her father, Daniel Warren-Kidd. Founder and principal of the Warren Hall preparatory and high schools. Warren-Kidd, his daughter says, was Garveyite and a member of the UNIA before he entered politics.

&quot;He believed in education for the ordinary people and gave many scholarships and half scholarships to students.
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The state cannot provide adequate security for most Jamaicans. You have to speak the truth. You have the right to defend yourself. Die like a soldier. Do not die like a wimp.&quot; </div></div>

come from good lineage...i like her style

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[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YU KNOW WHAT SOME OF THESE COUNTER ARGUMENT REMIND ME OF, OBAMA IS PRESIDENT SO RACISM DOES NOT EXIST IN THE USA.LOL

JUST BECAUSE SOME BLACKS IN JAMAICA OWN LEGAL FIREARMS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT RACE AND CLASS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUING OF FIREARM PERMITS.JAMAICA'S FIREARM LAWS CAME RIGHT OUT OF THE COLONIAL SYSTEM,A SYSTEM BASED ON COLOR. </div></div> is it race or class or are they randomly interchangeable ?

if you suggest that the issuing of license is based on corruption and favoritism and undue political influence i would agree ...but to suggest its based on race is a strech for me.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

Licensing is based on a policy
work to balance the power between the races to give the minoruty the advantage.
Under arm and weaken the majority and strengthen the minority and those of the minority that support the policy bias.

It is police and the strategy used to achieve it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YU KNOW WHAT SOME OF THESE COUNTER ARGUMENT REMIND ME OF, OBAMA IS PRESIDENT SO RACISM DOES NOT EXIST IN THE USA.LOL

JUST BECAUSE SOME BLACKS IN JAMAICA OWN LEGAL FIREARMS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT RACE AND CLASS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUING OF FIREARM PERMITS.JAMAICA'S FIREARM LAWS CAME RIGHT OUT OF THE COLONIAL SYSTEM,A SYSTEM BASED ON COLOR. </div></div> is it race or class or are they randomly interchangeable ?

if you suggest that the issuing of license is based on corruption and favoritism and undue political influence i would agree ...but to suggest its based on race is a stretch for me. </div></div>

[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Licensing is based on a policy
work to balance the power between the races to give the minoruty the advantage.
Under arm and weaken the majority and strengthen the minority and those of the minority that support the policy bias.

It is police and the strategy used to achieve it.

</div></div> so which is the minority race that is controlling the policy?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

The same group that is obvious incharge.

Nothing is different. they are not fronting for any other group. In Jamaica we have the lighter shades at the top, and then the breadfruit and coconuts next and the bs at the bottom.
the 2 between the latter qualify by their actions, not by their being.

the blacks recognize this blatant inequality. and in their hopelessness,to the point wher those who cant act so that they can be accepted.
They spend all they can buying and applying prodts,trying to lighten their skin tring to qualify.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Licensing is based on a policy
work to balance the power between the races to give the minoruty the advantage.
Under arm and weaken the majority and strengthen the minority and those of the minority that support the policy bias.

It is police and the strategy used to achieve it.

</div></div> so which is the minority race that is controlling the policy? </div></div>

[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

so &quot;race&quot; is determined by social standing?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

race is the basis of social standing Jamaica. the will always be exception. Like a 'don' will get respect equal to lighter race, but there is always an underlying reason for their promotion in the social class. it is not permanent though. the promoted have to keep proving that they belong. And their kids may have to qualify on their own too.
it is not always inherited. Only race is.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicharD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so &quot;race&quot; is determined by social standing? </div></div>

[neutral]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

The average jamaican should not be let loose anywhere near a firearm,regardless of them law abiding or not,...in my opinion jamaicans and guns should be as far from each other as humanely possible.

[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The average jamaican should not be let loose anywhere near a firearm,regardless of them law abiding or not,...in my opinion jamaicans and guns should be as far from each other as humanely possible. </div></div> why?

[neutral]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

They simply dont know how to use them responsibly,....I would go so far as to propose that most of them do not be allowed to be around any sharp implements.

[loops]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so &quot;race&quot; is determined by social standing? </div></div>

well i am surprised he's not called your IQ into question by now....my below average feelings are hurt.

[Panajar]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YU KNOW WHAT SOME OF THESE COUNTER ARGUMENT REMIND ME OF, OBAMA IS PRESIDENT SO RACISM DOES NOT EXIST IN THE USA.LOL

JUST BECAUSE SOME BLACKS IN JAMAICA OWN LEGAL FIREARMS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT RACE AND CLASS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUING OF FIREARM PERMITS.JAMAICA'S FIREARM LAWS CAME RIGHT OUT OF THE COLONIAL SYSTEM,A SYSTEM BASED ON COLOR. </div></div> is it race or class or are they randomly interchangeable ?

if you suggest that the issuing of license is based on corruption and favoritism and undue political influence i would agree ...but to suggest its based on race is a strech for me. </div></div>


<span style="font-size: 17pt">In Jamaica class is largely determined by race,we must remember that Jamaican society did not evolve in a vacuum.Our present society came of a system based on slavery and colonialism,where as the near whites are at the top, and the &quot;regular blacks&quot; are at the bottom and everyone else in between.</span>

You only have to take a look at the social pages in the gleaner to see the distinct difference in the the society where all the so called upper echelons of the society is represented by near whites and other races.Jamaica is like south Africa where blacks have achieved political power but not economic power.

TO BOLSTER MY POINT HERE IS A ARTICLE ON THE SUBJECT BY <span style="font-size: 17pt">Dr. Wendel Abel.</span>

Shackled to the past trapped in the present
published: Wednesday | March 31, 2004


Wendel Abel - I AM WHAT I THINK

THE ENSLAVEMENT of our people for almost four centuries destroyed our ethnic, national and social identities. Many of the problems we face such as underachieving males, interpersonal violence, fragmented social systems, dysfunctional family patterns and a preponderance of single female-headed households are part of the psychosocial legacy of slavery and are experienced by many post-slavery societies.

<span style="color: #CC0000">COLOUR AND CLASS

Out of slavery evolved a class system which was determined by colour. Blacks were denied their humanity and deemed inferior to all others. Consider the aphorism, 'if you are white you are right, when you are brown stay around and when you are black stay back'. Are we then surprised that in 2004 the browning is still glorified, that many still aspire to marry someone of a 'browner' hue, that our people continue to bleach their skins and that the brown or white person is still preferentially treated in many quarters? That in many families the darkest person is abused emotionally and physically and anything black is degraded.
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FAMILY

The plantation system was designed to generate wealth for one class. A stable family life was never encouraged, men were separated from their women and children from their mothers. The dominant family patterns characterised by visiting relationships, a preponderance of single-headed households and absent fathers have evolved out of slavery.

DENIGRATION OF THE HUMAN BEING

The West Indian negro slaves were devalued. Lowell Ragatz in 1928 wrote, 'he had all the characteristics of his race. He stole, he lied, he was simple, suspicious, inefficient, irresponsible, lazy, superstitious, and loose in his sexual relations.' Such was the perception of slaves and their descendants. These are concepts many still have of blacks, especially poor black persons. Many of these traits,described as negatives, were some of the strategies used to survive slavery. These strategies were considered adaptive but have become maladaptive in modern society.

VIOLENCE

Slavery was characterised by hard labour, brutal punishment and constant separation from loved ones. Here are some examples from the literature of how humans were punished: 'flogged him, had him rubbed in salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper'; 'gagged him, locked his hands together, rubbed him in molasses and exposed him naked to the flies all day, and to the mosquitoes all night'; and 'a slave caught eating cane was whipped and another slave told to defecate in his mouth'.

Punishment by the master was harsh and brutal and the life of the black slave was worth nothing. Such was the level of dehumanisation, indignity and enforced powerlessness. It has generated resentment for authority and a devaluation of human life. Are we surprised at the high levels of interpersonal violence and the lack of respect for human life in Jamaica?

SEX AND POWER

Power and sex were integrally linked in the plantation system. White men and higher-ranked men exploited the black woman. Historian, Barbara Bush noted that 'the sexual exploitation of slave women by white men represented a natural extension of the general power of white over black'. In one historical review a white overseer had sexual encounters with 87 different women in one year.

The greater the sexual exploits of the black male slave and the more children he had, the more valued he was. Black women also manipulated relationships with white males as they saw themselves as being able to achieve social mobility by sleeping with white men and having 'brown children' who could achieve social mobility by virtue of their colour.

MALE RESPONSIBILITY

The black male was encouraged to sire as many children on the plantation. The fact that men would have their women and children separated from them discouraged the development of strong emotional bonds in families and fostered 'the irresponsible black male'.

As we grapple with the scars left by slavery, we equally need to devise strategies to overcome them. This society must go through a period of deconstruction and break from the psychological chains that shackle us to our past. This deconstruction is necessary as we reconstruct ourselves into a caring, just and less violent society.

Dr. Wendel Abel is a Consultant Psychiatrist and Senior Lecturer, University of the West Indies.

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[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jamaica is like south Africa where blacks have achieved political power but not economic power.</div></div>

but it is political power that determines who gets guns..legal or illegal

[Panajar]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jamaica is like south Africa where blacks have achieved political power but not economic power.</div></div>

but it is political power that determines who gets guns..legal or illegal </div></div> <span style="font-weight: bold">Wrong</span>, politicians have to answer to their economic masters .May i remind you of my earlier post where the SUPE WAS CALLING THE SUPERMARKET OWNER TO DETERMINE WHO SHOULD GET A LICENSE AND WHO SHOULD NOT..PRIME EXAMPLE.

[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jamaica is like south Africa where blacks have achieved political power but not economic power.</div></div>

but it is political power that determines who gets guns..legal or illegal </div></div> <span style="font-weight: bold">Wrong</span>, politicians have to answer to their economic masters .May i remind you of my earlier post where the SUPE WAS CALLING THE SUPERMARKET OWNER TO DETERMINE WHO SHOULD GET A LICENSE AND WHO SHOULD NOT..PRIME EXAMPLE. </div></div> on the surface that would seem to be the case ...but a simple supermarket owner would hardly be a economic master unless his business was a lot more than the grocery business.