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Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: andronian2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, the inequities of Jamaican society have their origins in the plantation history.
There aren't many poor whites in Jamaica but the ones that are (such as some of the older residents of German town) were part of the agricultural underclass.
That people of African descent, the majority of which descended from slaves, should escape the consequences of engineered social disadvantage is naive at best.
The educated, professional ones who, or whose parents, made sacrifices to qualify themselves find their efforts stymied by a stagnant economy and high taxation.</div></div>
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Yaaaaaawn!</span>
Blacks have excelled and have every opportunity to excel. There have been many pogroms against white, Indians and Chiney peple and folks still taaking faat about inequities and blaming them and the Plantation for it.
I wonder if it it the <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Plantation</span> that is causing corrupt black politicians or blacks who kill, rape and main other blacks in the slums and poor neighbourhoods </div></div>
There were black overseers in the plantations yes, who whipped their fellow slaves.
So there are blacks who do harm to blacks and whites who do harm to whites; I am not sure of the relevance.
What I am talking about here is not acts of criminality but an entrenched social system that disadvantaged an entire ethnicity.
I refuse to be blind to the influences of the past on current reality because some people consider it politically correct or noble.
African slavery does not equate to any of the pogroms you mentioned.
Though they were deemed to be of little individual account the aim was not murder but economic explotation through unpaid forced labour.
Individuals were not merely attacked but a society was engineered from deportation in which some humans were property-less property from birth.
The period of pogroms, violent victimisation, and systematic lynching usually followed the end of the period of legal enslavement.
In almost every new world society where blakcs were enslaved they were subjected to social and economic discrimination, even violence, during the centuries after their emancipation.
This resulted in societies where they were the underclass and actively excluded from social advancement.
At some point where it was deemed appropriate to officially declare full equality and sufferage they could not possibly be suddenly equal when they were unequal for centuries.
Do you think a switch was flipped that suddently made everything alright...made them able to go to the best schools...made them qualified for the best jobs...made them able to pass on material riches to their offspring?
A switch was not flipped. That's why on August 28, 1963 racial equality was still a dream to Martin Luther King.
Furthermore, while the wrongness of certain forms of oppression is often impressed on us the wrongness of African slavery is often minimized.
I, as someone with African forefathers, won't help those who are intent on doing that by shoving it under the rug as if it did not matter.
Thankfully, while we still have challenges, we are not where we were back then but that was what we had to dig out of.
Slavery mattered and it matters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: andronian2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, the inequities of Jamaican society have their origins in the plantation history.
There aren't many poor whites in Jamaica but the ones that are (such as some of the older residents of German town) were part of the agricultural underclass.
That people of African descent, the majority of which descended from slaves, should escape the consequences of engineered social disadvantage is naive at best.
The educated, professional ones who, or whose parents, made sacrifices to qualify themselves find their efforts stymied by a stagnant economy and high taxation.</div></div>
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Yaaaaaawn!</span>
Blacks have excelled and have every opportunity to excel. There have been many pogroms against white, Indians and Chiney peple and folks still taaking faat about inequities and blaming them and the Plantation for it.
I wonder if it it the <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Plantation</span> that is causing corrupt black politicians or blacks who kill, rape and main other blacks in the slums and poor neighbourhoods </div></div>
There were black overseers in the plantations yes, who whipped their fellow slaves.
So there are blacks who do harm to blacks and whites who do harm to whites; I am not sure of the relevance.
What I am talking about here is not acts of criminality but an entrenched social system that disadvantaged an entire ethnicity.
I refuse to be blind to the influences of the past on current reality because some people consider it politically correct or noble.
African slavery does not equate to any of the pogroms you mentioned.
Though they were deemed to be of little individual account the aim was not murder but economic explotation through unpaid forced labour.
Individuals were not merely attacked but a society was engineered from deportation in which some humans were property-less property from birth.
The period of pogroms, violent victimisation, and systematic lynching usually followed the end of the period of legal enslavement.
In almost every new world society where blakcs were enslaved they were subjected to social and economic discrimination, even violence, during the centuries after their emancipation.
This resulted in societies where they were the underclass and actively excluded from social advancement.
At some point where it was deemed appropriate to officially declare full equality and sufferage they could not possibly be suddenly equal when they were unequal for centuries.
Do you think a switch was flipped that suddently made everything alright...made them able to go to the best schools...made them qualified for the best jobs...made them able to pass on material riches to their offspring?
A switch was not flipped. That's why on August 28, 1963 racial equality was still a dream to Martin Luther King.
Furthermore, while the wrongness of certain forms of oppression is often impressed on us the wrongness of African slavery is often minimized.
I, as someone with African forefathers, won't help those who are intent on doing that by shoving it under the rug as if it did not matter.
Thankfully, while we still have challenges, we are not where we were back then but that was what we had to dig out of.
Slavery mattered and it matters.
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