Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

**britisha** · 01-05-2010, 03:57 AM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has been an over emphersis on investment in Kingston and other urban centers compared to rural areas... </div></div>

Exactly and very little will survive and thrive in a war zone. When you have 18 years of Comrade Government whose policy caused the closure of almost 90% of all the factories in Jamaica (and about 99% in the KSAC, many in geographical area of centered around this article), pair that with one of the most reviled figure from the hated JLP as MHR for <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Kingston West</span>, it little wonder that there is massive unemployment and slums.

As I said the article is shoddy piece of Yellow Journalism from the Media House known for the Yellowest of Journalism practice in Jamaica. </div></div>
**chukkle***

Now that you have continued the mantra of who is to blame, can we step aside and be <span style="font-weight: bold">forgiving</span> and "unite" under the black/green and gold? Is that ever possible? Can we as a people become politically savvy and mature <span style="font-weight: bold">ENUFF</span> to overlook our political differences and join hands to [re]build the nation as a whole, but with special attention to Kingston, the Capital? Can we stop marginalising and being condescending to the poorer folks of Kingston, who through no fault of their own have been dealt a bad hand in the "game' of life? .

Whether the piece is "Yellow Journalism:" is not pertinent to the discussion as far as I am concerned...bear in mind that you have indirectly <span style="font-weight: bold">confirmed</span> some of what is contained within....what does that say about your comments?

...so on what basis do you think the piece is not a true journalistic article?

btw, I see at the end of the article where the PM will offer a response to the piece in the same media, it will be very interesting to watch...

**Tuff Gong** · 01-05-2010, 04:25 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whether the piece is "Yellow Journalism:" is not pertinent to the discussion as far as I am concerned...bear in mind that you have indirectly confirmed some of what is contained within....what does that say about your comments?
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What I have confirmed/stated/ acknowledge is this:

A. Mr. Golding said he was going to take care of his Constituency regardless of who they voted for I heard i have on tape. He mentioned the same Community Center not yet finished that the residents mentioned.
They said he fixed some fences, they said he fixed the road. They said he visited some places, I head him saying that he went to visit the PNP section.

It has just been two years since he was elected, there is no money and the country is in a crises. They are lucky to see him in person given what he is facing. I think he needs to appoint a Constituency Manager other than the de facto Area-Leader to see about the visits because it hardly likely that the President is going to go to PNP Section, that has been shooting at TG for years to visit.

More, money much more money has been spent by the Comrades on their Comrades that a dime spent in Tivoli Gardens so it if happens that they are suffering then Newspaper needs to find out why. Mrs. Portia Simpson-Miller provided cover for all MHRs in Jamaica when she was asked why was her Constituency in such a poor state after being an its MHR for well over three decades. She said as an MP she had no power, no money to help her Constituents, no that she was Prime Minster it would be different.

If that was the case where was Eddie Blinds going to get money from? how would they expect Bruce that was out of Representational Politics for more than 10 years to change things overnight?
As to the argument about letting bygones be bygones. It is not that simple up till recently, even under the new JLP Government the Comrades were cheering when Tivoli Gardens came under attack by the State. So this argument about Election is over and now now everything is OK I don't buy. More than anything else what we should be cheering and marvel at is the fact that even the PNP Supporters have said they can sleep with their doors unlock (as if locking it was going to stop intruders).

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">BTW</span> I have already explained what I know will work. the MPs need to just call it a day and tell their citizens that individual expectations cannot be met as the focus must shift to all Jamaica. Get the crime down, Jamaicans Educated and allow the private sector to function.

**johnnycakes** · 01-05-2010, 01:46 PM

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"BTW I have already explained what I know will work. the MPs need to just call it a day and tell their citizens that individual expectations cannot be met as the focus must shift to all Jamaica. Get the crime down, Jamaicans Educated and allow the private sector to function."

Yes Tuff Gong, what you suggest above MIGHT work except that Jamaica cannot get crime down as evidenced by history and the progression/worsening of crime. Education costs money which the GOJ is unwilling and/or unable to pay for.
The least likely to succeed of all your suggestions is "to allow the private sector to function"
Just who do you think has been running the economic show not only in Jamaica but in the U.S and around the world?

I don't know if you've noticed but there is a worldwide economic crisis, perhaps temporary, CAUSED by the big (private sector) financial institutions and , the globalization of private sector production, the effects of which are permanent.

Giving the private sector all power it wants is what is causing the problems. Ronald Reagan pushed what you suggested and we called it "trickle down" in that the building up of corporate interests was supposed to sift down to the poor and working people but the reality is that there was a trillion dollar shift in wealth from the poorest to the richest in the following 20 years.

The evils of poverty cannot be cured by capitalism since capitalism is the cause .

While the wealthy will always do well under capitalism, it is the poor and working man who is always getting squeezed and whose living standards are dropping steadily and now dramatically.

Poverty means a hard life in the richest countries but it means crime, desperation and death in the poorer countries.

Were it possible for there to be a cure for Jamaica's problems and Jamaica's leaders willing to do what would be needed, it would have been tried before.

There is no cure under the unelected dictatorship of the private sector.

What you can do and are exclusively doing is running around like a beheaded chicken. You don't know you're dead yet.

Bandages do not work on cancers and neither will any minor adjustments to the existing economic order.

The best analogy remains that anyone trying to reform capitalism/the private sector is like people rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

As a democratic socialist I wish I could say I am enjoying the collapse of capitalism but the suffering of the poor and the totally useless talk and thinking of people whose mindset is stuck in believing in a failed system is just too sad.

**britisha** · 01-05-2010, 03:43 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr. Golding said he was going to take care of his Constituency regardless of who they voted for I heard i have on tape.</div></div>

Thanks for your response agen, TG...I am of the feeling that we are not coming from the same perspective, when dealing with the questions that I put forth...in any case, I find it sooo interesting that it would be found <span style="font-weight: bold">necessary</span> to make such a comment, by the person who made it.

**Tuff Gong** · 01-05-2010, 08:17 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr. Golding said he was going to take care of his Constituency regardless of who they voted for I heard i have on tape.</div></div>

Thanks for your response agen, TG...I am of the feeling that we are not coming from the same perspective, when dealing with the questions that I put forth...in any case, I find it sooo interesting that it would be found <span style="font-weight: bold">necessary</span> to make such a comment, by the person who made it. </div></div> Why is not necessary?
There is war there is violence, there is division. Every month some talking-head jumps up to claim Mr. Golding is representing a Garrison Constituency and that the he had promises to dismantle Garrison.

So he said at the last Constituency conference what I think needed to be said. He said he know come election the PNP Supporters are not going to vote for him but he represents them just the same. Folks are free to drive or walk from and to opposing camps without fear of been killed. Contrast that with the surrounding Constituencies where even the folks of the same political stripe cannot cross arbitrary borders drawn street by street.

**Wahalla** · 01-06-2010, 06:00 AM

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on the part of all goverments..

here is my thing.. if tommoor a magical investor have say 5000 jobs.. Would the people in the so called ghetto be able to compete for these jobs ??? My anecdotal experience is there are a number of aquantances who have migrated to the kilsome and have got jobs: before they migrated.. despite having this reserviour of unemployed..

Would the young wanna be shottas have the skills to even get an entry level job... No one ever address the mobility out of the ghetto.. Do the majority live and die there ??? do many move out ????

Kilsome is a dead loss in terms of development.. it would take a minimum of a generation.

**britisha** · 01-06-2010, 07:12 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on the part of all goverments..

here is my thing.. if tommoor a magical investor have say 5000 jobs.. Would the people in the so called ghetto be able to compete for these jobs ??? My anecdotal experience is there are a number of aquantances who have migrated to the kilsome and have got jobs: before they migrated.. despite having this reserviour of unemployed..

Would the young wanna be shottas have the skills to even get an entry level job... No one ever address the mobility out of the ghetto.. Do the majority live and die there ??? do many move out ????

Kilsome is a dead loss in terms of development.. it would take a minimum of a generation. </div></div>

Interesting that you should say that also...you raised a good point about the ability to compete for jobs...<span style="font-weight: bold">but where are these phantom jobs? Where are they hiding?</span> Let's stick to the reality of what it is.

A remindah, many of those in Kilsome, no baawn dere, dem or dere fore-parents are bumpkins who leff home pursuing a better life, hoping for a slice of the <span style="font-weight: bold">imaginary pie</span> but eventually got dealt a bad hand as well...<span style="font-weight: bold">such fate does not discriminate</span>...ahhh...

..but... as owl time ppl seh <span style="font-weight: bold">wha noh dead, no dash whey</span>

will re-visit latayah..

**Wahalla** · 01-06-2010, 02:42 PM

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Jobs go where there are skills as well as low pay.. We cannot comptete with china against low pay.. We can if we have skills... That is another matter.. Jamaicans worker imho once trained can compete against all comers any where on the planet. Then why cant Jamaica compete for jobs ???? Doc makes the point repeatedly that ther is a plan to keep black people down why low skill workers are brought in from Dom ep india or china.. I dont buy that... I have faced the same crisis of getting skilled workers in areas of high unemployment in China and in various locales in Africa.. Not the same but similar... India has just changed the visa laws to try and make specialist skills be recruited locally.. I get contract offers in India still....

As for my friends who migrate to killsome.. Had the skills been available in Killsome among the ghetto youth then why do they get the job ???

I note there is a tendency for the ghetto to be veiwed as socially static there is no movemnent in or out... How much of the population are actually third of fouth generation ??? Howmany nmove up and out ward... ???? If one gets the skills and the Heart program did give some youths these skills do they move on ??? Is the population of the ghetto increasing relative to the rest of the population ??? I am not wise enough or familiar enough with the idea of ghetto to answer.. but it strikes me that tehre are issues that have been tarred with a simplistic brush...

**johnnycakes** · 01-06-2010, 03:08 PM

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Wahalla:
"Jobs go where there are skills as well as low pay.. We cannot comptete with china against low pay.. We can if we have skills... That is another matter.. Jamaicans worker imho once trained can compete against all comers any where on the planet. Then why cant Jamaica compete for jobs ????"

Wahalla,

I am in agreement with much of your first post on this thread but somewhat puzzled at the paragraph above.

If Jamaicans had the same skill levels to produce the same quality product as say Indians or Chinese, how can they then compete if the price for that product is higher because Jamaicans will not and cannot work for a dollar a day?

Didn't they close the Jockey/Haines factory for just that reason? The Jamaicans could certainly produce the clothing as well as the Chinese or Mexicans but not at the same cost.

Could you explain your reasoning?

**britisha** · 01-07-2010, 07:38 AM

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'ope I will get the time to respond as I really wish ie in more detail, but time is not cooperating in this department at all...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr. Golding said he was going to take care of his Constituency regardless of who they voted for I heard i have on tape.</div></div>

My reason for making the comment as to why is this statement EVEN necessary is simple...it is a GIVEN...that this is the "expectation" from <span style="font-weight: bold">ANY</span> government to "take care" of all it's citizens regardless of their political leanings/ideology/philosophy....<span style="font-weight: bold">ie function like "govahment"</span> in the true concept of the word... so making such a statement serves as a true testimony that there is/HAS been something seriously wrong all along, however it is perceived, and it is time to "clean it up." (plain an simple in a nutshell)

tbc.

**johnnycakes** · 01-07-2010, 01:24 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr. Golding said he was going to take care of his Constituency regardless of who they voted for I heard i have on tape.</div></div>

My reason for making the comment as to why is this statement EVEN necessary is simple...it is a GIVEN...that this is the "expectation" from <span style="font-weight: bold">ANY</span> government to "take care" of all it's citizens regardless of their political leanings/ideology/philosophy....<span style="font-weight: bold">ie function like "govahment"</span> in the true concept of the word... so making such a statement serves as a true testimony that there is/HAS been something seriously wrong all along, however it is perceived, and it is time to "clean it up." (plain an simple in a nutshell)

Ah Britisha,,
Is the light finally dawning?
Are you finally seeing that Mr Golding et al have only a distant second interest in taking care of the people?

Were that so he would be a democratic socialist.

As is he and all of the PNP and JLP support the unelected dictatorship of the business sector and the wealthy.

Like Tuff Gong he and they also believe in allowing the "private sector" to have a free hand and when that happens "taking care of the people" who only elected them takes a distant second place in their priorities.

I do not expect a response from you or Tuff Gong since you both have bought into that same mind set. You actually believe that the unelected dictatorship that is the rich and the corporate interests will do what is best for the common people; that the people whom you elect will serve God's creations; humankind and not mammon.

Time to wake up to reality isn't it?

**britisha** · 01-09-2010, 11:33 AM

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Laawd, mi finding some treasures dis mawning...ran into this by accident but it serves as a reminder of what governments' responsibilities are, as it pertains to each and every citizen on planet earth...dis in addition to the fact that Jamaica is a member of the United Nations, and thereby subscribes to all it's rules, regulations and Charter....here goes:

fram yahsoh

<span style="font-style: italic">ARTICLE 25. (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.</span><span style="font-size: 20pt">
Agen, mi noh think anniboddie want govahment fi mind dem; at the same rate govahment shouldn' be a stumbling block innah di people's way...</span>...and this govahment is mentioned wid di handastanding dat it includes the one "in powah" alongside THE OPPOSITION...

mi soon cum back..

**Tuff Gong** · 01-09-2010, 01:33 PM

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I found the audio clips of Mr. Golding at his Constituency Conference saying what I think should be said to to all Jamaicans....not just his Constituents.

I will post them later after I upload them to YouTube.

**Panajar** · 01-09-2010, 02:03 PM

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The situation for the majority of Jamaicans will never change,even if Jamaica should discover one hundred oil fields with millions of barrels of oil, it would mean little of no difference for the masses.Just like how we have a billion dollar tourist industry and a billion dollar financial sector yet the average Jamaican barely benefit from these sectors.Some Jamaicans like to compare Jamaica to Singapore,but the revered president of Singapore ,in a recent interview, stressed that few countries can attain what his country was able to accomplish .He said a countries<span style="font-weight: bold"> CULTURE</span> would determine whether the country succeed or fail.We already that Jamaicans culture evolved out of slavery and colonialism.To succeed our culture need to evolve from one where we put minority groups in charge of our financial future .

Groups like the PSOJ and JEA has been able to "CAPTURE" the state for the benefit of a few .Successive governments JLP AND PNP bent over backwards to accommodate these people, at the expense of the majority of Jamaicans.Even Seaga was amazed that BOTH political parties accepted the recent Matalon tax plan.

If Marcus Garvey couldn't get the people to open their eyes,i think no one will be able to .The culture of looking to Masa to guide us because, "dem know how fe run business" will never change, <span style="font-weight: bold">IF GARVEY COULDN'T DO IT ,I DONT KNOW WHO CAN.
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**britisha** · 01-09-2010, 02:16 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The situation for the majority of Jamaicans will never change,even if Jamaica should discover one hundred oil fields with millions of barrels of oil, it would mean little of no difference for the masses.Just like how we have a billion dollar tourist industry and a billion dollar financial sector yet the average Jamaican barely benefit from these sectors.Some Jamaicans like to compare Jamaica to Singapore,but the revered president of Singapore ,in a recent interview, stressed that few countries can attain what his country was able to accomplish .He said a countries<span style="font-weight: bold"> CULTURE</span> would determine whether the country succeed or fail.We already that Jamaicans culture evolved out of slavery and colonialism.To succeed our culture need to evolve from one where we put minority groups in charge of our financial future .

Groups like the PSOJ and JEA has been able to "CAPTURE" the state for the benefit of a few .Successive governments JLP AND PNP bent over backwards to accommodate these people, at the expense of the majority of Jamaicans.Even Seaga was amazed that BOTH political parties accepted the recent Matalon tax plan.

If Marcus Garvey couldn't get the people to open their eyes,i think no one will be able to .The culture of looking to Masa to guide us because, "dem know how fe run business" will never change, <span style="font-weight: bold">IF GARVEY COULDN'T DO IT ,I DONT KNOW WHO CAN.
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You could have spared us... you said this before...

<span style="font-weight: bold">We</span> need "new blood" in a tired system..-

Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

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