Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

**Dr.Dudd** · 01-09-2010, 02:20 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The situation for the majority of Jamaicans will never change,even if Jamaica should discover one hundred oil fields with millions of barrels of oil, it would mean little of no difference for the masses.Just like how we have a billion dollar tourist industry and a billion dollar financial sector yet the average Jamaican barely benefit from these sectors.Some Jamaicans like to compare Jamaica to Singapore,but the revered president of Singapore ,in a recent interview, stressed that few countries can attain what his country was able to accomplish .He said a countries<span style="font-weight: bold"> CULTURE</span> would determine whether the country succeed or fail.We already that Jamaicans culture evolved out of slavery and colonialism.To succeed our culture need to evolve from one where we put minority groups in charge of our financial future .

Groups like the PSOJ and JEA has been able to "CAPTURE" the state for the benefit of a few .Successive governments JLP AND PNP bent over backwards to accommodate these people, at the expense of the majority of Jamaicans.Even Seaga was amazed that BOTH political parties accepted the recent Matalon tax plan.

If Marcus Garvey couldn't get the people to open their eyes,i think no one will be able to .The culture of looking to Masa to guide us because, "dem know how fe run business" will never change, <span style="font-weight: bold">IF GARVEY COULDN'T DO IT ,I DONT KNOW WHO CAN.
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</div></div>Garvey did not have the internet and cheap cell phones with text.
It is easier to get to the average Jamaican.
Especially with text to voice technology to communicate to the illiterate.
The illiterate will soon be as able to communicate with as much ease as the well educated.
All they have to do is to get an electronic reader with text to speech technology.
It is just a matter of time.

**Panajar** · 01-09-2010, 02:27 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The situation for the majority of Jamaicans will never change,even if Jamaica should discover one hundred oil fields with millions of barrels of oil, it would mean little of no difference for the masses.Just like how we have a billion dollar tourist industry and a billion dollar financial sector yet the average Jamaican barely benefit from these sectors.Some Jamaicans like to compare Jamaica to Singapore,but the revered president of Singapore ,in a recent interview, stressed that few countries can attain what his country was able to accomplish .He said a countries<span style="font-weight: bold"> CULTURE</span> would determine whether the country succeed or fail.We already that Jamaicans culture evolved out of slavery and colonialism.To succeed our culture need to evolve from one where we put minority groups in charge of our financial future .

Groups like the PSOJ and JEA has been able to "CAPTURE" the state for the benefit of a few .Successive governments JLP AND PNP bent over backwards to accommodate these people, at the expense of the majority of Jamaicans.Even Seaga was amazed that BOTH political parties accepted the recent Matalon tax plan.

If Marcus Garvey couldn't get the people to open their eyes,i think no one will be able to .The culture of looking to Masa to guide us because, "dem know how fe run business" will never change, <span style="font-weight: bold">IF GARVEY COULDN'T DO IT ,I DONT KNOW WHO CAN.
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You could have spared us... you said this before...

<span style="font-weight: bold">We</span> need "new blood" in a tired system..- </div></div>

i know its like beating a dead horse ,but everything else is <span style="font-weight: bold">band aid</span>.

**britisha** · 01-09-2010, 03:04 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You could have spared us... you said this before...

<span style="font-weight: bold">We</span> need "new blood" in a tired system..- </div></div>

i know its like beating a dead horse ,but everything else is <span style="font-weight: bold">band aid</span>.
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THANKS FOR DI INPUT..

....NOW DAT YUH GOTT DAT OFFAH YUH CHESS, MEK DI CHRED BREATHE SOME FRESH AIR NOH? PUH-LEEZE AN TENK YUH !!!

SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN IGNORED B/CAZZ OF DI SAME OLE TYAD RHETORIC, AMONG OTHER THINGS; BUT STILL FIND IT NECESSARY TO COME AND DERAIL PEOPLE'S CHRED AND THROW STONES, WIT THE SOLE INTENT OF HAVING IT CLOSED, DUE TO BADMINE AND BITTAHNISS...

NO BADDAH CUM MASH HUP DI NICE NICE CHREAD YA HEAR?

MODERATORS WHERE ARE YOU IN ALL THIS BAITING?????????

(((my people !!)))

**johnnycakes** · 01-09-2010, 06:00 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The situation for the majority of Jamaicans will never change,even if Jamaica should discover one hundred oil fields with millions of barrels of oil, it would mean little of no difference for the masses.Just like how we have a billion dollar tourist industry and a billion dollar financial sector yet the average Jamaican barely benefit from these sectors.Some Jamaicans like to compare Jamaica to Singapore,but the revered president of Singapore ,in a recent interview, stressed that few countries can attain what his country was able to accomplish .He said a countries<span style="font-weight: bold"> CULTURE</span> would determine whether the country succeed or fail.We already that Jamaicans culture evolved out of slavery and colonialism.To succeed our culture need to evolve from one where we put minority groups in charge of our financial future .

Groups like the PSOJ and JEA has been able to "CAPTURE" the state for the benefit of a few .Successive governments JLP AND PNP bent over backwards to accommodate these people, at the expense of the majority of Jamaicans.Even Seaga was amazed that BOTH political parties accepted the recent Matalon tax plan.

If Marcus Garvey couldn't get the people to open their eyes,i think no one will be able to .The culture of looking to Masa to guide us because, "dem know how fe run business" will never change, <span style="font-weight: bold">IF GARVEY COULDN'T DO IT ,I DONT KNOW WHO CAN.
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Thank you Panajar
Thank you Panajar
Thank you Panajar

A most refreshing post.

Do you not feel like a voice crying in the wilderness?

How is it you can see so clearly and state the case so precisely when so many, many others are blind and deaf to the these facts?

May I ask you for your favorite sources for socio-political information ?

**britisha** · 01-09-2010, 06:34 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN !!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I found the audio clips of Mr. Golding at his Constituency Conference saying what I think should be said to to all Jamaicans....not just his Constituents.

I will post them later after I upload them to YouTube. </div></div>

Would love to hear them/it TG...and you are so correck; it is NOT about partisanship, wi haffie cum bettah dan dat.

Mr. G is supposed to give a response this weekend or thereabouts according to the article, in the meantime...<span style="font-style: italic">mi noh like call hup call hup Jamaican politrixians names, if mi cyan help it</span>

**britisha** · 01-09-2010, 07:18 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jobs go where there are skills as well as low pay.. We cannot comptete with china against low pay.. We can if we have skills... That is another matter.. Jamaicans worker imho once trained can compete against all comers any where on the planet. Then why cant Jamaica compete for jobs ???? Doc makes the point repeatedly that ther is a plan to keep black people down why low skill workers are brought in from Dom ep india or china.. I dont buy that... I have faced the same crisis of getting skilled workers in areas of high unemployment in China and in various locales in Africa.. Not the same but similar... India has just changed the visa laws to try and make specialist skills be recruited locally.. I get contract offers in India still....

As for my friends who migrate to killsome.. Had the skills been available in Killsome among the ghetto youth then why do they get the job ???

I note there is a tendency for the ghetto to be veiwed as socially static there is no movemnent in or out... How much of the population are actually third of fouth generation ??? How many nmove up and out ward... ???? If one gets the skills and the Heart program did give some youths these skills do they move on ??? Is the population of the ghetto increasing relative to the rest of the population ??? I am not wise enough or familiar enough with the idea of ghetto to answer.. but it strikes me that tehre are issues that have been tarred with a simplistic brush...
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You are NOT the only one who is not wise enough nor familiar with the "idea of "ghetto"...Years ago, no one spoke of "ghetto/s" in Jamaica, until the mass migration to North America...and being the copy cats that we are, as in many other instances, it has become a part of our jargon....wi copy every bless-ed thing, dung tuh guns and bullits to rahcolillie..

from Wiki:

<span style="font-family: 'Lucida Console'">Originally used in Venice to describe the area where<span style="font-weight: bold"> Jews were compelled to live,</span> a ghetto is now described as a "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live; especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure."

The word "ghetto" actually comes from the word "getto" or "gheto", which means slag in Venetian, and was used in this sense in a reference to a foundry where slag was stored located on the same island as the area of Jewish confinement.[2] An alternative etymology is from Italian borghetto, diminutive of borgo ‘borough’.[3]

The corresponding German term was Judengasse<span style="font-weight: bold"> (lit. Jew's Lane) known as the Jewish Quarter.</span>

The corresponding German term was Judengasse (lit. Jew's Lane) known as the Jewish Quarter.</span>

Now that that hair splitting is out the way....it is very easy to see how we are quick to internalise anything and everything without reference[s] to the history and so on and so on....even assimilating the word that was NOT descriptive of anything/one black, much less Jamaican and heng aawn tuh it for dear life....most likely out of stupidity and wikkidniss genst our own<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Jamaicans worker imho once trained can compete against all comers any where on the planet. Then why cant Jamaica compete for jobs ????</div></div>

edited to say, it is Jamaicans vs Jamaica...good point....your reference to low wages does make sense, but I am also inclined to think that the negative image that is reflected on the entire nation is definitely another stumbling block in our way..

Where are the opportunities for poorer Jamaicans to become self-actualized?..since this is the path that the thread is veering tuh.

**britisha** · 01-09-2010, 07:48 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is also home to the shacks, slums and dilapidated buildings of several depressed communities -- many of which are deeply divided based on their affiliation with one or the other of the two major political parties, the People's National Party (PNP) or the JLP.<span style="font-weight: bold">

It is this division, according to several people to whom the Sunday Observer spoke, that is preventing development and holding the communities back.</span>

Further downtown, in the West Kingston arcade, vendors complain of low sales, ostensibly caused by the competition of vendors on the streets, and the facility's deteriorating conditions.

"The arcade want to be fixed because we are wetting up in here," said one vendor. "It nuh just ah leak, it ah wash weh. Yuh know how much pair ah shoes mi haffi dash weh odder day. Mi cover di box but neva know seh it nuh cover properly 'til two days after when mi go fi unload di box."

"We have no proper lighting and it needs a power wash because in here have rats," another woman says.

Sales are so slow, says Ann McKenzie who lives in the Maxfield Park area, that she has been camping out in the arcade for three weeks now.

"I don't go home from week before last Wednesday. I have to stay here to see if I can get a sale in the early morning or during the night. We have to sleep and watch just fi mek ends meet," she says, adding that the "majority" of her colleagues camp out as well.</div></div>

IMHO, this is the beef, the main theme in the article...politrixxians "patiality" as mi modda wuddah seh, and deplorable conditions for those who are willing to be entrepreneurs.

Higglering, ie buying and selling has been going on for eons as far back as *I* can remember...many of those who are big store owners, were higglers who sold out of their cars until they could establish themselves better, and these were not black Jamaicans...In places like Nigeria "market Mamas" [our equivalent of Ja higglers} are among some of the richest folks in the country..

Point being, we know that there are NO jobs so to speak...mek wi sekkle pan dat...and we also know that there are thousands of higglers in town and odda parts of di island...wi sekkle pan dat as well...what *I* am saying is, business is bad, because:

[a] the conditions under which they do their business are deplorable and squalid, coupled wid harassment from Babylon..[cyaan' leff dat hout]

(b)...even if there are a million of them, [entrepreneurs] they would be able to at least break even; <span style="font-weight: bold"> and have an incentive to continue... IF THEY HAD MORE CUSTOMERS TO "PATRONISE" THEM</span>...but considering the ugly CONDITIONS under which they ply their trade/ sell their wares...most people, downtowners, uptowners and TOURISTS will think twice before they set foot in those areas to patronize them.

The piece mentioned "Coronation Market"..a place where I used to run hup and dung as a girl, [it also mentioned "slums" by the way] and which was the mecca for bizniz aah Kingston...things were bad then from what I can remember, but rat infestation was NEVER A PROBLEM; AND NOW APPARENTLY IT IS.

Wha mek the politrixians noh kill two birds wid wan stone by:

[a]providing jobs for the clean up crew to revitalise the markets/arcades, and indirectly the city and:

<span style="font-weight: bold"> provide an atmosphere that is conducive to people feeling free and welcome to COME spend their money with those who want to be independent?</span>

Is that too much to ask?

<span style="font-weight: bold">MONEY MEK DI MARE RUN</span>...IF NOH MONEY NAAH TURN OVAH A Kingston, A MOVE FRAM HAND TO HAND IN COMMERCE, it noh mek noh sense..No economy can survive without <span style="font-weight: bold">consumer spending</span>...and that is the litmus test that economists use to test how well or poorly a nation is doing..so when wi denying some citizens basic rights and freedom to spite them, we are also cutting our nose to spite our ownah face, only that we can't see in the mirror...

Soh chatting bout Marcus Garvey whey ded an gaawn fram when, [due respeck to Marcus] haff nutt'n fi duh wid di discussion, or chatting bout di di fact that we were slaves 400 odd donkey years ago, is a waste of band with and haff nutt'n fi duh wid di discussion at hand eidah...why live in the past???

This is the year 2010 not 1848, wi haff self-govahment..which many Jamaicans fought for... Jamaica is tooo set in it's ways as mi seet fi benefit from oddah people's model right now..we are too unique fi pattern aniboddiee else shengeleh.. [wha good fi di goose might juss bi sauce fi did gander]and IMO dat nat gwine solve nutt'n, nat gwine cut di mustawd.. hiff the government don't take matters into it's hands and govern like it should.

So we are back to the question, can WE [Jack Manadorah} an the POLY-trixians fuggadahbout our tribalistic approach to politics and heal the nation before it finally keel ovah dead?

A diss mi a chry fi know.

Well mi tyad fi heddit dis due tuh di bolding and di like...

**Dr.Dudd** · 01-09-2010, 07:51 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<span style="font-style: italic">Jobs go where there are skills as well as low pay.. </span>

Jobs does not necessary go where there is low pay, as it goes where ther is no workers rights.
As long as ther is very little or no workers rights.
And ther is no union rights, business will gravitate to there.

They avoid places with minimum wage,right to work, safety rules that are monitored, and other workers rights.

**barosa** · 01-11-2010, 04:37 AM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

Britisha, I know that this thread is about West Kingston and I suspect it's because it happens to be the PM's constituency. But when I think of Yaawd, I'm guilty like many others who think of the island as a whole rather than a specific location... However, as a Kingstonian, I can relate to that area as well as the wider region because I used to know it well...

Comments and suggestions are many, even name calling and the attribution of blame to go around is understandable but I gather you would rather have "solutions" which seems very difficult to come by. It's no easy feat to address the plight of the poor and downtrodden of any area in old Kgn, let alone West Kgn where the task is monumental... The accumulated NEGLECT of the past seems to have caught up with us, meanining our Governments past and current who never really cared, DID NOTHING while their citizens suffered.

We the people of the diaspora can only help from a distance by suggestions which may or may not be considered because words alone are not enough to create jobs or put food on the table. In the final analysis, the power to do what is neccessary resides with the Government of the day to do what they can. If they have the cajones to do what may seem to be impossible given the limited resources available to them, maybe some could be helped... It's not a pretty scenario, but hopefully if there is a will, there is a way...
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It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game.

**jah_yout** · 01-11-2010, 11:46 AM

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true words, barosa;

my feeling is that 'jobs' alone is not the answer...(that culture word someone brought up is in my head again)...
there will never be 100% employment and economists freely admit that; so my question is, if- let's say- 6% is an "acceptable" unemployment rate, then how are those 6% supposed to live?
in other words the gov't has already decided that a certain percentage of the population is expendable;
it has to go deeper than just 'jobs' given the scarcity of this right now & in the foreseeable future...
if people can't even find jobs in big america, what will happen to jamaica?
what is needed is new & creative outlooks in leadership...
but i'm afraid this will be very difficult with our imperial neighbor to the north who only has an interest in keeping their weaker neighbors as farm colonies for cheap materials & labor and a ready market for over-priced exports...
challenge this reality and there will be vengeance...
see cuba

**britisha** · 01-11-2010, 11:53 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

Will try to get to this prolly manana...meantime thanks for the responses.

**johnnycakes** · 01-12-2010, 03:03 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

[quote=jah_yout]true words, barosa;

my feeling is that 'jobs' alone is not the answer...(that culture word someone brought up is in my head again)...
there will never be 100% employment and economists freely admit that; so my question is, if- let's say- 6% is an "acceptable" unemployment rate, then how are those 6% supposed to live?
in other words the gov't has already decided that a certain percentage of the population is expendable;
it has to go deeper than just 'jobs' given the scarcity of this right now & in the foreseeable future...
if people can't even find jobs in big america, what will happen to jamaica?
what is needed is new & creative outlooks in leadership...
but i'm afraid this will be very difficult with our imperial neighbor to the north who only has an interest in keeping their weaker neighbors as farm colonies for cheap materials & labor and a ready market for over-priced exports...
challenge this reality and there will be vengeance...
see cuba [/quote

As usual, well said, jah_yout,

"New and creative outlooks in leadership"?
Where do you see this coming from? I would think not the PNP or JLP but then from where?
It's pretty much established that while the Jamaican people are reasonably upset with the social, economic and political situations, they are not looking toward anything that a reasonable person would consider new and creative.
Like him or not Michael Manley was someone you could consider new and creative but as now, the Jamaican people did not want change and rushed back to Seaga's brand of conservative pro-capitalist economics.

There are many ideas which the nearby Cuban revolution could provide Jamaicans in fixing serious problems even without a real revolution but under Jamaican capitalism and a political system locked into the status quo , the funds would never be made available.

As for jobs, the U.S. is the economic powerhouse and is experiencing real unemployment of around 20%. Jamaica far less prosperous so what chance does it have of full employment? The economy can support just so many higglers, the tourist and bauxite industries can only employ so many. What low skill jobs there were or may be are being taken by the low paid workers of Asia, thanks to the miracle of globalization.
Not only are things not better than they were, the opportunities for the Jamaican worker educated or unskilled are very limited and is just a race to the bottom for both wages and standards of living for the workers.

Read the posts. They are full of "we have to do something", "We need new leaders", "We need better schools and lots more living wage job", "We need to end corruptions" " If we could just......(fill in the blank)", "if they would only.....(fill in the blank" .

See the following for an example of this.

Originally Posted By: TonyRoyal
Dr D.
Jamaica is like a company that goes to the bank year after year borrowing money and still not producing any worthwhile product! Eventually it goes Bankrupt. Since 1962 we have been exporting the same things! We can't even feed ourselves!
A country must be able to feed itself, educate it's people and provide top class care! Jamaica don't need the IMF. Wealth comes from within!
We need a STRONG no non-sense leader with Vision. One who will implement what I stated above.

What you stated above is essentially true but it's not new. Similar sentiments have been expressed on these boards eons ago and still our beloved Jamaica has remained mired in a state of economic slippage and decadence... We have debated the "strong leadership with vision" and even a "benevolent dictatorship" as opposed to the current democratic system in place, but guess what! Nothing has changed except that the situation has worsened...

Because we have already covered so much inclusive of what you have stated above, we are holding out hope that you can come up with proposals, "new and untried" that could become a catalyst in turning Jamaica around... One can never tell what secrets lurk in the hearts of men and in your case, we wait with baited breath... Tony, we welcome your constructive contribution, nothing more...
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"At a time of universal deceit," wrote George Orwell, "telling the truth is a revolutionary act."........................................ .............................................

Like all third and fourth marriages it is an expression of hope over experience.

The jobs aren't coming.
The politicians and others will remain corrupted.
Jamaica will not get a much better infrastructure (schools, hospitals, roads.
etc).
Underdevelopment will be an eternal curse.
The more things change the more they will remain the same.

Think about it: the American people are supposed to be (just ask them) better educated and better informed than are their counterparts in Jamaica and elsewhere in the Third World yet they get fooled into electing the Bushes and Obamas despite the records of both parties.
The Jamaican people are apparently no better informed and are no better at the election process than are the genius Americans.

It might be because like most Americans, Jamaicans believe what they are told by "their" government and "their" media; things like " There is no viable alternative to either the economic system as it stands" and "There is no possible or better alternative to the hopelessly corrupted electoral system."
and the biggest lie of all "Give us another chance. We can fix things"

The

**Wahalla** · 01-13-2010, 01:27 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jobs go where there are skills as well as low pay.. We cannot comptete with china against low pay.. We can if we have skills... That is another matter.. Jamaicans worker imho once trained can compete against all comers any where on the planet. Then why cant Jamaica compete for jobs ???? Doc makes the point repeatedly that ther is a plan to keep black people down why low skill workers are brought in from Dom ep india or china.. I dont buy that... I have faced the same crisis of getting skilled workers in areas of high unemployment in China and in various locales in Africa.. Not the same but similar... India has just changed the visa laws to try and make specialist skills be recruited locally.. I get contract offers in India still....

As for my friends who migrate to killsome.. Had the skills been available in Killsome among the ghetto youth then why do they get the job ???

I note there is a tendency for the ghetto to be veiwed as socially static there is no movemnent in or out... How much of the population are actually third of fouth generation ??? How many nmove up and out ward... ???? If one gets the skills and the Heart program did give some youths these skills do they move on ??? Is the population of the ghetto increasing relative to the rest of the population ??? I am not wise enough or familiar enough with the idea of ghetto to answer.. but it strikes me that tehre are issues that have been tarred with a simplistic brush...
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You are NOT the only one who is not wise enough nor familiar with the "idea of "ghetto"...Years ago, no one spoke of "ghetto/s" in Jamaica, until the mass migration to North America...and being the copy cats that we are, as in many other instances, it has become a part of our jargon....wi copy every bless-ed thing, dung tuh guns and bullits to rahcolillie..

from Wiki:

<span style="font-family: 'Lucida Console'">Originally used in Venice to describe the area where<span style="font-weight: bold"> Jews were compelled to live,</span> a ghetto is now described as a "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live; especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure."

The word "ghetto" actually comes from the word "getto" or "gheto", which means slag in Venetian, and was used in this sense in a reference to a foundry where slag was stored located on the same island as the area of Jewish confinement.[2] An alternative etymology is from Italian borghetto, diminutive of borgo ‘borough’.[3]

The corresponding German term was Judengasse<span style="font-weight: bold"> (lit. Jew's Lane) known as the Jewish Quarter.</span>

The corresponding German term was Judengasse (lit. Jew's Lane) known as the Jewish Quarter.</span>

Now that that hair splitting is out the way....it is very easy to see how we are quick to internalise anything and everything without reference[s] to the history and so on and so on....even assimilating the word that was NOT descriptive of anything/one black, much less Jamaican and heng aawn tuh it for dear life....most likely out of stupidity and wikkidniss genst our own<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Jamaicans worker imho once trained can compete against all comers any where on the planet. Then why cant Jamaica compete for jobs ????</div></div>

edited to say, it is Jamaicans vs Jamaica...good point....your reference to low wages does make sense, but I am also inclined to think that the negative image that is reflected on the entire nation is definitely another stumbling block in our way..

Where are the opportunities for poorer Jamaicans to become self-actualized?..since this is the path that the thread is veering tuh.

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Naw i thought I had written "so called ghetto" somewhere in here.... The idea of an economic ghetto, sink communities that absorbed those whho have fallen through the economic cracks rather than a racially... That is the common term for these sink community.. Lest you think I am unaware of its history::::: Here is my chance to shine:::

Out of the Italian jewish ghettos two of the most western powerful baisc drivers developed c concepts of the 20th and 21st centuary grew.... The idea of banks, (it comes from the itlain term Banco::: benches that the jews sat on who lent money... Jews were banned from all professions except te one proffesions that baned to christians (by papal decree), lending of money (sin of upsury).... The ghettos of italy financed both the papal states, the lomardiees, the wars, the reconquista, the voages of Henry the navigator, the art of italy.. they were the financiers of the renaciance....(Actually I was around when the use of the term went into use. art literature and science flourished.. the itlaina ghetto were a link, a conduit between the reserves of knowleged that resided in the arabic and medival europe. Not only was money transmitted between families but also ideas.

and the entire basis of western science came out of tjhe jewish ghettos of itlay::::: the use of sancrit numbers system was transfered to europe via these ghettos .. ..The whole of western technological/scientific base came out of the ventian ghettos because of this transition from roman numerals took place there ... Thast just me poving I understand the historical context of ghettos.. That is not just an idea of poverty, so from an histroical context ghetto as a sink community is a lie.. However once Hilter developed the kill zones of Warsaw, Vilnus, et al then to use the term in the Jamaican context beggars beleif... unless there are people who see the poor as simply a problem to kill...

But my concenrn is that there is little analysis of the mobility into and out of the ghettos...

**Tuff Gong** · 01-13-2010, 05:18 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

I think I better start over.
This thread has attracted the usual collection of mentally challenged posters who know absolutely zero about what they are talking about. They don't follow the local Jamaican news, their impression of Jamaica largely formed from the texts of bellicose rants of one Micheal Menlie and his willing acolytes, who are eternally pledged to his goal of fanning the flames of racial hatred in Jamaica, to ensure that we are poor, hungry and bare feet, with a permanent begging bowl thrust out to the world.
After this I will post the words that Mr. Golding should tell not only his Constituents but all of Jamaica:

First we have to separate Mr. Golding time from Mr. Seaga time because:

A. he was completely out of representational politics and had absolutely no machinery.

B. He just took over two years ago and has no finally admitted what many of us suspected that the Ponzi scheme ran by the Comrades has now crashed and Jamaica for the first time face a default in paying out debts to the Shylock's.

C. The JLP changed the previous system where there was a pool of funds called from which the more powerful MHRs from either side could suck money from to fund whatever they like in their Constituencies. No there is a set amount and you have to present a plan to get a draw down.

to be continued.....

**johnnycakes** · 01-13-2010, 05:50 PM

Re: Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

Alright Tuffy !,

At last you've returned to clear up the muddle.
Please clear this all up for us weak minded souls.
Tell us how the JLP or the PNP can make Jamaica the new Singapore.

No impossible propositions now, like getting honest politicians who will truly represent the needs of the Jamaican working man. You have to be serious.
And none of that trickle-down economic stuff either. You know, give all the tax breaks and money to the private sector and they'll create jobs to employ every Jamaican who wants a job.
Didn't work in the United States, did it?

Anyway welcome back.

Let's have it.