brap brap fi uncle eddie...respek due indeed

[Tuff Gong]

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Unfortunately, I am not convinced that you are PNP. You are a JLP who is trying to let us believe you are playing devil's advocate, tap it!

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Again I see reading is a challenge I am not PNP, I am a supporter of the PNP Party. I am a Jamaican.
At one time you claimed to be Jamaican then in the same post you are African. You are confused I am not.
As for nothing to say it was you nasty a.s.s. and you other friend KG20 who wanted to trace, up to now both of you have not provided any evidence to back up your claim of Eddie doing a single thing wrong.
You were also the one that went around the board posting nasty stuff about me via PMS and openly, now if this is your modus operandi why should any you say nasty a.s.s. be taken seriously?

[niceniss]

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[The issue of the disappearance of Zinc did not occur under Eddie’s watch, I post all the reports above to prove this.

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and it couldnt have been on his watch since Gilbert occurred the late part of '88(September) and he lost the election early the following year such that the help from other countries and distribution of said help could hardly be implemented by him when someone else was in power.

simple timeline and logic should be used, anything else is dishonesty.

[Tuff Gong]

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[The issue of the disappearance of Zinc did not occur under Eddie’s watch, I post all the reports above to prove this.

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and it couldnt have been on his watch since Gilbert occurred the late part of '88(September) and he lost the election early the following year such that the help from other countries and distribution of said help could hardly be implemented by him when someone else was in power.

simple timeline and logic should be used, anything else is dishonesty.

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Nasty a.s..s and KG20 is not interested in facts.... just rumour mongering and baseless repetitions.

[Hopyoneson]

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[The issue of the disappearance of Zinc did not occur under Eddie’s watch, I post all the reports above to prove this.

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and it couldnt have been on his watch since Gilbert occurred the late part of '88(September) and he lost the election early the following year such that the help from other countries and distribution of said help could hardly be implemented by him when someone else was in power.

simple timeline and logic should be used, anything else is dishonesty.

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Nasty a.s..s and KG20 is not interested in facts.... just rumour mongering and baseless repetitions.

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Foolish, foolish Tuff... still cant prove where I mention Seaga and zinc scandal, now he is looking like the liar he accuse others of being, so revert to name calling and bawling like a child, what else is new [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70394-sleeping.gif[/img] yawn, I said my piece and you proved my point. [b]TUFF GONG YOU STILL A LIAR, AND YOU MAKE STUFF UP TO VALIDATE YOUR POINTS. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70390-shhh.gif[/img]

[Hopyoneson]

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1)1968 election with Dudley thompson, first ever incident of gun used in a general election in West kingston, now my Grandfada was JCF at the time in Kingston and verified that reports are that it was people in JLP who did the shooting
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The first use of guns in Jamaican politics reportedly took place in Seaga's West Kingston constituency in the months before the 1967 election between Seaga and PNP politician Dudley Thompson. The political tension heightened after Walter Rodney, a Guyanese university professor and Black Power movement advocate (see Glossary), was banned from Jamaica in October 1968. The government of Prime Minister Shearer suppressed the riots that ensued.

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2)The breaking in of PNP HQ by JLP supporters to get the one thing that had captured the peoples imagination. Manley rod of correction recieved from selassie I ETA - and Seaga claimed to have found.
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At that meeting, Manley displayed a rod and said it was a gift from Haile Selassie. The crowd went ecstatic and the rod became the symbol of the campaign.

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It is still not clear whether that was the real reason for the break-in at Michael Manley's home in 1971, but such was the impact that it could have been both the possible and probable reasons. Such was its impact that in the campaign, Edward Seaga told a JLP street meeting that he had found the rod as Manley left it because he had to leave a meeting quickly.

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[evanovitch]

Re: brap brap fi uncle eddie...respek due indeed

fuss name who know about the gun ting being introduced in Ja politics...love di man but have to say that his experiences in Africa wid guerilla tactics of Mau Mau MIGHT have influenced his thinking in Ja
...coupled wid di man whose name reminds me of tennis balls [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]who regularly it is said, issued firearms up in dem hills behind Beverly Hills

both parties have had their fair share of gun running but let's be sure as to who influenced the introduction in the fuss place

the odds r on the short chap [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Hopyoneson]

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Evan mi just supporting what I described as Seaga and Manley causing the bhutuism in JA politics, and mi gone, yu see how people luv call up big man name like dem luv man, no wonder rumors pon PM spread bout dem seh dem a o/`.

[evanovitch]

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Evan mi just supporting what I described as Seaga and Manley causing the bhutuism in JA politics, and mi gone, yu see how people luv call up big man name like dem luv man, no wonder rumors pon PM spread bout dem seh dem a o/`.

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i agree wid u fully that both parties contribute to our present predicament...even if di heads neva issue guns demselves, they knew of the reputation of their cohorts and by not denouncing the reputed actions, they gave tacit consent to the runnings

and everybody knew wat was going on as conversation at gatherings on many a varendah went on about it...an if is one ting dat is true about yaad is the saying 'if a no so, a near so'....

it is juss too much at this time to say who bears most fault...wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong and fi people who were soooo caught up in nationalism and independence, and who had seen, some firsthand, the negative impact of sectarian violence in the African fight for Independence aka tribalism , they should have tried damn hard to not introduce the element to Ja

but hindsight is a 'b'as the saying goes, and it is a damn shame that 2006, the C21st sees us still at this low point in our history

btw, and dis is not necessarily re ur posting juss dat it easier fi click pon di lass smaddy weh post...
Ja did (mi no know bout now, but mi know bout before in di 80s), Ja did send police to Israel to be trained by the Mossad...

[Hopyoneson]

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mi agree with too much blame fi put pon one side or the other. rooster dem coming home fi roost in Jamaica. BTW mi know yu is a history buff like miself, mi come croos dis old pitcha a Massop, never know seh him a ongle 31 when him did dead...second from left

In this photograph, Cladius Massop (second from left) hugs a Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) supporter from Tivoli Gardens in West Kingston. -File photo

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[/ QUOTE ] police shot him 40 times Massad train dem good.

[Hopyoneson]

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We have come a long way from the days when Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) and People's National Party (PNP) criminals and gangsters were seen as constitutive of the Jamaican political landscape. It was simply taken for granted by the middle classes that once you had politics you would necessarily have these political leeches. Edward Seaga could feel free to drink beer under the glare of television lights with known criminals and enforcers in his constituency, and Michael Manley would feel no compunction in leading a delegation of PNP stalwarts to the funeral of Winston 'Burrey Boy' Blake, head of the PNP-affiliated Garrison Gang.


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In an article published in the University of the West Indies' Mona academic journal, The Social and Economic Studies last year on the Jamaican lumpenproletariat (52:1) Osika Gray could tell us that "As with the case with other political enforcers of the early '60s, (Burrey Boy) Blake played an important role in the political wars in Kingston. There with a gang of political toughs he helped two top PNP candidates Michael Manley and Dudley Thompson compete for coveted seats in Central and West Kingston.

"But," continues Gray, in "the political gang war unleashed in West Kingston during the run-up to the 1967 elections, Blake and the PNP's Garrison Gang were beaten back by the withering firepower mounted by gunmen defending the political incumbent Edward Seaga.



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[Hopyoneson]

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5)Don Skeng libel suit of Seaga for making remarks on tv and radio.
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EDWARD Seaga has opted to apologise to controversial businessman Kenneth "Skeng Don" Black, rather than go to trial to defend Black's contention that he was defamed by the Opposition leader.

It was the second libel suit in which Seaga has emerged at the losing end in less than a week, following a court ruling last Thursday that he should pay former deputy police commissioner, Leslie Harper, $3.5 million in damages, plus costs, for statements made at a 1996 political rally.

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[niceniss]

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5)Don Skeng libel suit of Seaga for making remarks on tv and radio.
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EDWARD Seaga has opted to apologise to controversial businessman Kenneth "Skeng Don" Black, rather than go to trial to defend Black's contention that he was defamed by the Opposition leader.

It was the second libel suit in which Seaga has emerged at the losing end in less than a week, following a court ruling last Thursday that he should pay former deputy police commissioner, Leslie Harper, $3.5 million in damages, plus costs, for statements made at a 1996 political rally.

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Skeng Don(note the name! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]) is a Don and a PNP political activist. He is mixed up in various scare benefits multimillion dollars scandal. he obviously would be the last person in Seaga's camp and even so, anyone can file a lawsuit. nutten wrong with trying to avoid a frivolous lawsuit so that's neither here nor there...

[Hopyoneson]

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"This is a place where many people don't look for ways to resolve a dispute. They take all matters to the very bitter end."

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Just read this quote in another thread, this is so right about us, I am bigger than this, made my point. I am out.

[sophiadieheart]

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And it amazes me that any non-Jamaican can defined who is a Jamaican....

[img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]I am a born Jamaican, and I can say it for conscience that EDDIE "the crook" Blinds is not Jamaican. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]


Eddie Seaga is a complex character...

[img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]Complex is not the word, I could list a few more not so nice adjectives about that thieving character. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]


who has defined and created a number of Jamaican instituions.

[img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]B.S. again. I personally know politicians from PNP who give up them personal land to PNP so that they can provide housing for poorp people. This particular politician did not embezzle any money from the gov. Unlike Blinds, who came to Jamaica because he saw an opportunity to trick Jamaican blacks.

Give them a little and take a lot, no honor-that is Blind aga. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]


Who actually has had a momentous life from the promience of Garvey to the development of the festival... LOST [img]/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

(Yeah he did present an argument against the development of the national stadium though). If you define Jamaican ness by parentage then Manley Jr ( [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]if you mother and father come from hell and it so happened that you was born in Jamaica while they were vacationing then I am sorry to say but Devil Jr. is Jamaican. On the other hand, if Devil pickney born a hell, and then son decide to come and rule Jamaica then something wrong. You cannot go anywhere else in the world and become the top leader for that country unless you were born there) [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img].

Do you see how irregular him being PM was and still is-he's set a bad precedence. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Anyone can come from outside and become PM, only in Jamaica, why is that. What was so special about the Blinds. Nothing! It was the beginning of serious corruption when Blinds tried to gain Manley's job-our leader born deh (JAMAICA). His mother was not running for the position, she was a honorable lady. She would never try to trick the Jamaican people into believeing it was OK for her as a foreigner to rule their land. Blinds had no problems in doing it, and in going to whatever means necessary to be PM. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]


is not truly Jamaican as his mother was not Jamaica.. Nor was he black as his mother was English. And so much for the seminal peice of Jamaican art Negro Aroused... And even more annoying then neither is Bob his fatehr was Engloish.....

[img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]BOB is BLACK! I do not need to explain further. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I am always annoyed when the ignorance of people make me sound like I like the man.. But Eddie never taughted Menlie with tje line " my leada mada neva bawn yah".. ( [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]Manley's mother was never trying to take over a country she was not from) [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]. If she'd thrown her hat in the race then surely Blinds could have said anything. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]



If Eddie is not a Jamaican than all of members of the board of Jamaicans.com are non -Jamaica with one exeception. Your truly the sole person on here who describes his ancestry from the time of the coney and the calabash... the sole person who claims Taino heritage....

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Surely you jest [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[sophiadieheart]

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Unfortunately, I am not convinced that you are PNP. You are a JLP who is trying to let us believe you are playing devil's advocate, tap it!

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Again a.s.s wipe I see reading is a challenge I am not PNP, I am a supporter of the PNP Party. I am a Jamaican.
At one time you claimed to be Jamaican then in the same post you are African. You are confused I am not.
As for nothing to say it was you nasty a.s.s. and you other friend KG20 who wanted to trace, up to now both of you have not provided any evidence to back up your claim of Eddie doing a single thing wrong.
You were also the one that went around the board posting nasty stuff about me via PMS and openly, now if this is your modus operandi why should any you say nasty a.s.s. be taken seriously?

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[img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]I should be taken seriously more than any of them TUFF. I am a crazy [censored] with a lot of expendible. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I must agree with them though TUFF, you sound like a staunch laborwrong that is hiding behind the propoganda you spew about our PNP leaders. You are not a supporter of PNP-supporters find evidence to prove the otherside wrong, you find evidence, or rather propaganda materials to prove PNP wrong. How dense do you think people are? You are as transparent as the front window at Conways, you laborwrong you. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]