brap brap fi uncle eddie...respek due indeed

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okay folks...we r allll agree that wen it comes to the individuals in our political history, there is enuff blood to go around....

so having done the Macbeth on that subject, let us end this with the initial intent of the post....

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to all of u...blessed and [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70459-hugs.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70459-hugs.gif[/img]

[Tuff Gong]

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Ok we will not get into name calling.
1)1968 election with Dudley thompson, first ever incident of gun used in a general election in West kingston, now my Grandfada was JCF at the time in Kingston and verified that reports are that it was people in JLP who did the shooting
2)The breaking in of PNP HQ by JLP supporters to get the one thing that had captured the peoples imagination. Manley rod of correction recieved from selassie I ETA - and Seaga claimed to have found.
3)The infighting and light a candle sing a sanky comment and the reason for Golding leaving the JLP
And this is just off the top of mi head, how him and Manley changed the face of politics a yard forever, and not for the better.
4)And the funniest one, Seage biting of a woman at a polling station around 1986, as reproted in the newspaper, well it was x-news but this behavior was not shocking
5)Don Skeng libel suit of Seaga for making remarks on tv and radio.


Dont get me started pon Gilbert and the stuff that went on after the aid was recieved from the US, if you want incidents of Manley I can supply them also.

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How did Manley get involve during Gilbert?
Don't the stuff came to Jamaica during the JLP regime? why was it not distributed before the PNP won th eelection??

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Ifind it funny how both you and KG20 are so dishonest. Eddie did not use the Zinc in any way shape or form. In fact it was precisely because of the Zinc why it was said that he lost the Elections.
It was under the PNP that you had the Zinc Scandal.

As for the West Kingston shooting it came up recently and of course they tried to spin that too.
I suppose it was Eddie who shot up Tivoli all 6 times right?
Unno is a set of jokers, no wonder Jamaica is not going to be any better, the JLP is responsible for all wrongs even where there is clear evidence that that party and its supporters are on the receiving end of some of the most heinous and blatant human rights abuses that has ever occurred in Jamaica since slavery was abolished.

[Dr.Dudd]

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Ok we will not get into name calling.
1)1968 election with Dudley thompson, first ever incident of gun used in a general election in West kingston, now my Grandfada was JCF at the time in Kingston and verified that reports are that it was people in JLP who did the shooting
2)The breaking in of PNP HQ by JLP supporters to get the one thing that had captured the peoples imagination. Manley rod of correction recieved from selassie I ETA - and Seaga claimed to have found.
3)The infighting and light a candle sing a sanky comment and the reason for Golding leaving the JLP
And this is just off the top of mi head, how him and Manley changed the face of politics a yard forever, and not for the better.
4)And the funniest one, Seage biting of a woman at a polling station around 1986, as reproted in the newspaper, well it was x-news but this behavior was not shocking
5)Don Skeng libel suit of Seaga for making remarks on tv and radio.


Dont get me started pon Gilbert and the stuff that went on after the aid was recieved from the US, if you want incidents of Manley I can supply them also.

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How did Manley get involve during Gilbert?
Don't the stuff came to Jamaica during the JLP regime? why was it not distributed before the PNP won th eelection??

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Ifind it funny how both you and KG20 are so dishonest. Eddie did not use the Zinc in any way shape or form. In fact it was precisely because of the Zinc why it was said that he lost the Elections.
It was under the PNP that you had the Zinc Scandal.

As for the West Kingston shooting it came up recently and of course they tried to spin that too.
I suppose it was Eddie who shot up Tivoli all 6 times right?
Unno is a set of jokers, no wonder Jamaica is not going to be any better, the JLP is responsible for all wrongs even where there is clear evidence that that party and its supporters are on the receiving end of some of the most heinous and blatant human rights abuses that has ever occurred in Jamaica since slavery was abolished.

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You take every opportunity to get in your usual tribal war over JLP and PNP as usual. Where did i say that Eddie do do anything about any Zinc? or whatever else the did??
you even create story where there is none.Just to justify your war.
You must be related to Bush.

[conscience]

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It certainly is not a good look for those PMs who are Black. The only white man to create the most for black people in a black society. One might start to wonder if Black people can indeed rule themselves in a civil manner.

Haiti, for over 200 years have been liberated from white rule, yet, it is the poorest country in the world, riddled with corruption. Are Black folks just too selfish, and is that the type of attitude that brough us here in the first place (are we just proned to sell our babies?).

A white man doing the most for black people, puh! Done all for political support and gain, how much him dig out of the country. Him should do the most and even more. Afterall, him get a whole heap.

[Hopyoneson]

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[Tuff Gong]

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Ok we will not get into name calling.
1)1968 election with Dudley thompson, first ever incident of gun used in a general election in West kingston, now my Grandfada was JCF at the time in Kingston and verified that reports are that it was people in JLP who did the shooting
2)The breaking in of PNP HQ by JLP supporters to get the one thing that had captured the peoples imagination. Manley rod of correction recieved from selassie I ETA - and Seaga claimed to have found.
3)The infighting and light a candle sing a sanky comment and the reason for Golding leaving the JLP
And this is just off the top of mi head, how him and Manley changed the face of politics a yard forever, and not for the better.
4)And the funniest one, Seage biting of a woman at a polling station around 1986, as reproted in the newspaper, well it was x-news but this behavior was not shocking
5)Don Skeng libel suit of Seaga for making remarks on tv and radio.


Dont get me started pon Gilbert and the stuff that went on after the aid was recieved from the US, if you want incidents of Manley I can supply them also.

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How did Manley get involve during Gilbert?
Don't the stuff came to Jamaica during the JLP regime? why was it not distributed before the PNP won th eelection??

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Ifind it funny how both you and KG20 are so dishonest. Eddie did not use the Zinc in any way shape or form. In fact it was precisely because of the Zinc why it was said that he lost the Elections.
It was under the PNP that you had the Zinc Scandal.

As for the West Kingston shooting it came up recently and of course they tried to spin that too.
I suppose it was Eddie who shot up Tivoli all 6 times right?
Unno is a set of jokers, no wonder Jamaica is not going to be any better, the JLP is responsible for all wrongs even where there is clear evidence that that party and its supporters are on the receiving end of some of the most heinous and blatant human rights abuses that has ever occurred in Jamaica since slavery was abolished.

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You take every opportunity to get in your usual tribal war over JLP and PNP as usual. Where did i say that Eddie do do anything about any Zinc? or whatever else the did??
you even create story where there is none.Just to justify your war.
You must be related to Bush.

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Yawn…..!
The post was about Menlie’s involvement with the proceeds from Gilbert, you asked how Menlie was involved. Well the Zinc Scandal happened under the PNP's watch even though the Zinc was delivered during Eddie's Admin.

So your pathetic attempts at extricating Menlie from the Zinc scandal is dishonest.
Who love the tribal and racists war like you?
You legendary in this regard, what you and your ilk don't want is evidence to prove the lies and spin are just that more lies, damn lies and spin.

[Tuff Gong]

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PNP SCANDALS up to 1992
December 1st, 2005

Golden handshakes, phantom charities, misappropriation of public funds, the behind-the-scene wranglings that have spawned a new type of political animals that have more passion for money than their political jobs and serve as rueful reminders of the legacy of greed and exploitation that too often flourishes in Jamaica’s political landscape.

In the relatively short time since Jamaica gained independence, the island has been rocked by a number of scandals, political or otherwise that, while they have not completely derailed the engine of progress in the island, have left the country’s future veering towards the dubious.

On July 27, 1989, the mini-earthquake that would be hitherto known as the ’Farm Work Scandal’ rocked the country. Improprieties and irregularities involving thousands of dollars from the U.S and Canadian Farm Work Programme, implicated a former Minister of Labour, Mr. J.A.G Smith, and a former permanent secretary, Probyn Atkin.

Of the ’improprieties’ the most damning charge included a lodgement of US$20,260 to a Belgian bank for the purchase of a Mercedes Benz, agricultural equipment and a Volkswagen car, payment for architectural drawings, contractual work involving the IDT by a company called Rapid Repair and Maintenance owned by Mr. Smith. The cost of travel by Concorde by Mr. Smith as well as substantial payments for medical treatment was culled from the funds of the Farm Work programme.

In a dramatic twist, Probyn Aitken, 64, retired permanent secretary in the Ministry of Labour, pleaded guilty on May 8, 1990, and became the main witness in the case against Smith. He was sentenced in the Sutton Street court to nine months’ imprisonment.

The bespectacled Smith, a chartered accountant who served as Minister of Labour in Jamaica Labour Party’s Government from November 1980 to February 1989, was convicted and sentenced to a three-year prison term for conspiracy to defraud the Farm Work Programme.
Smith appealed to the UK Privy Council, but lost his appeal.

They were not the first serving Members of Parliament to be convicted of dishonesty. In the 1950s, two Ministers of Government were jailed for selling farm work tickets and a third jailed for breaching the Official Secrets Act - disclosing Cabinet secrets.

In what was probably the biggest scandal in Jamaica’s history given the sheer magnitude of the sums involved and the sheer number of persons in all facets and all levels of Jamaican society who actively partici
pated in the exercise - the Zinc Scandal could easily be billed ’Jamaica’s Scandal’.

In the aftermath of Hurricane Gilbert, widespread reports indicated that more than six years supply of zinc valuing more than $500 million came into the island for victims of the disaster, but did not reach the needy hurricane victims for who the roofing material was intended.

Reports also indicated that zinc was dumped at sea and some sold for prices ranging from $20 to $70 per sheet, well below the $80 to $130 normal retail cost.

A commission was set up in February 1991, to looking into the disappearance of hurricane relief supplies. In October of 1993, the commission’s findings were made public. E.G Green, the sole commissioner of the zinc enquiry, linked the disappearance of the zinc to criminal activities, and recommended that the matter be handed over to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

In a colourfully-worded 120 page report tabled in the House of Representatives, Mr. Green said zinc sheets were used as ’currency notes’ and blamed former Prime Minister Edward Seaga for some of the problems that dogged the relief exercise.

Mr. Green questioned the reason behind the importation of six years supply of zinc sheets after the hurricane, and reported that no budgetary provision had been made to facilitate the execution of a distribution plan. ’Whatever his motives might have been, the Prime Minister of the day proceeded to flood the building industry during the six months immediately succeeding the hurricane with more zinc that the industry had been able to absorb,’ Mr. Green had declared.

In his return salvo, Opposition Leader Edward Seaga replied that ’it was strange that nowhere in the report has any mention been made of what happened to $500 million worth of zinc reported to be missing.’ He also pointed to the fact that in February 1991, the JLP had objected to Mr. Green’s appointment on the basis that ’the Party did not believe that he had the seniority or competence to head the Commission.’ The ODP is now the sole agency for future relief distribution. It is perhaps interesting to note that the public did not seem unduly interested in the enquiry into the missing zinc, a violation of the scarce benefits dis
tribution system which could not be easily pinned on any single individual. And so ended another episode in Jamaica’s fast-growing culture of pork barrel politics.

The country had scarcely negotiated the zinc scandal when it was slammed by yet another, the 1991 Furniture Scandal.

The ’furniture scandal’ as it has been called, arose as a result of false invoices for goods and services allegedly supplied to the official residences of Parliamentarians in the present government, being submitted to the Houses of Parliament for payment. In some instances, genuine invoices on which items had been over-priced were also submitted.

The public was baffled and enraged to learn that in the absence of a guideline for furniture for the houses of ministers could be interpreted as a permit to go on a spending spree which involved the non-inspection of goods coming into the country, alleged over-pricing and actions which amount to fraud.

Edley Deans, Clerk to the Houses of Parliament, one of the witnesses in the case claimed that in the year 1990 to 1991, $600,000 was voted for furniture and furnishings, but was fast eclipsed by overspending of $3 million.

in November 1992 to defrauding the Government of more than $1 million in the $1.5 million Furniture Scandal case and were fined a total of $44,000.

On diverse days in 1990 with intent to defraud, they obtained from the Government of Jamaica a total of $1,010,935.02 by falsely pretending that they were entitled to the said amount as payment for goods and services supplied by the companies and claimed on invoices. The Resident Magistrate’s hands were tied. He could not go beyond what the law states that a company should be fined for such an offence. Section 268 of the Resident Magistrate (Judicature) Act states that the maximum fine is $4,000.

Under the Customs Act a company which has uncustomed goods is fined three times the value of the goods.
ute Saddler and his wife Michele, directors of the companies were withdrawn after Glen An
drade, Q. C. Director of Public Prosecutions offered no evidence against them. They were charged jointly with the companies and Robert Hill, an inventory clerk formerly employed to the House of Representatives.

Hill had been accused of causing and attempting to cause valuable securities to be paid out and conspiracy to defraud the government of $1.5 million between December 1989 and February 1991.

Count 1 of the indictment charged Hill with conspiring with persons unknown between the month of December 1989 and February 1991 to defraud the Government of Jamaica by falsely representing that they were entitled to payments for goods and services supplied to the Government as claimed on the invoices submitted for payments. The other six counts charged him with causing valuable securities to be delivered by means of false pretences.

On February 5, 1993. He was sentenced on all seven counts to serve 14 years in prison but served only two as the terms ran concurrently. But the embers from the sordid furniture mess refuse to die, and the Furniture Scandal once again resurfaced in court this year. This time, one of the three companies which pleaded guilty in November 1992 to obtaining money by false pretences arising from the scam, is pursuing legal action in the Supreme Court against the Government and Robert Hill, a former inventory clerk employed to the Houses of Parliament. The company, Stepshonics Ltd., wants to recover $500,000 allegedly owing to it for goods supplied.

In the latter part of that ill-fated year, in November 1991, the incident hitherto known as the Shell Waiver issue broke big time, It was not a scandal in the true sense of the word in as much as an concerted and deliberate effort to defraud the Government. However, it represents an unbelievable case of bureaucratic bungling by the Cabinet ministers who had contact with the issue.

The incident involved $29.5 million in duties which was waived in favour of Shell Company (West Indies Limited) and which caused the resignation of ambassador at large and a close confidante of Prime Minister Michael Manley, executive chairman of Petroleum Corporation of Jamaica (PCJ), Eli Matalon.

The political fallout was tremendous as it also prompted the subsequent resignation as Minister of Energy and Mining of Horace Clarke, and that of the then Minister of Finance, P.J Patterson.

Details from the scandal revealed that it was Mr. Clarke who recommended the waiver to be granted and Mr. Patterson who agreed to it. In his resignation letter Mr. Clarke also admitted that the ultimate decision to grant the waiver was his.

Mr. Matalon had been adamant that Shell should pay the punitive duties which had been lev
ied, because after the duties on the first shipment of unleaded petroleum had been waived, Shell had been told specifically that if it continued to import the product, it would be charged all duties. He explained that he had resigned as he had no alternative after he learned that the waiver had been granted because he had consistently opposed the waiver as part of his actions at PCJ, where he had explained to the board that they should abide by the Cabinet’s decision taken in July of 1990, in the interest of the viability of Petrojam.

Some schools of thought argued that the decision to grant Shell the waiver was in the interest of the motoring public and therefore was sound from a political (ministerial) stand point. Mr. Matalon is of the view that Shell should pay the punitive duties even if it means that Petrojam has to pay too, even if the cost of unleaded fuel to the motoring public goes up.

Eli Matalon and Howard Hamilton, general manager of Shell Company (W.I.) Ltd, are seen to each represent the contending interests. At that time, Howard Hamilton was an influential member of the ruling party who became a figure of controversy first with his introduction of the Scratch and Win game and then latterly with the Shell waiver issue. He received the licence to operate a lottery when it was common knowledge that Government was against this type of activity.

Almost no regulations existed in May 1990 regarding custom and taxation regimes for petro
leum products. In fact, almost everything was imported duty-free: crude oil for Petrojam; avi
ation fuel for the airports, imported by Shell; finished petroleum imported for Tropicana; and the special gas imported by Shell for JPS’s gas-turbines in Montego Bay. The advent of GCT, deregulation of the indus
try and Shell’s move to import unleaded gas presented the government with the need to establish levies in a short period. It is out of this frenzied atmosphere that the recent imbroglio was hatched.

During 1990, at first through a Ministerial Order that was in September incorporated into a law, the government introduced five duty regimes that were the liability of ’non-refiners’. However, ’refiners’ were liable only for one of those: the equivalent of the old consumption duty (now GCT).

The loophole was created in 1990 to benefit Petrojam’s periodic importation of petroleum at times when its own refinery experienced a shortfall. Petrojam has never paid import duties regardless of what it im
ported and irrespective of what regulations were on the books, and the loophole which, naturally, permits duty-free entry of petroleum fuel, by preparing customs declarations that were filled-out with the same secret codes used by Petrojam to import periodic shipments.

The Shell waiver brought the year to its close like a train line of dominoes, with upheavals within the Cabinet of government, the resignation of Mr. Eli Matalon from the Petroleum Corporation of Jamaica setting in motion the domino chain of reaction leading to the downfall of Mr. Horace Clarke and the departure of Mr. P.J. Patterson from the Cabinet.

ClaudeMills.com

[Tuff Gong]

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1989-1997 SCANDALS

THE ROLLINS LAND DEAL

THE ZINC SCANDAL

THE FURNITURE SCANDAL

THE SHELL WAIVER SCANDAL

THE FOREIGN EXCHANGE SCANDAL

THE MOTOR VEHICLE IMPORTATION SCANDAL

LAND DISTRIBUTION SCANDAL AT HOLLAND (1994)

THE SAND MINING SCANDAL (1994)

THE WATER COMMISSION SCANDAL (1994-95)

CORRUPTION AT OPERATION PRIDE (1995-97)

IRAN SUGAR DEAL

NHDC SCANDAL

PNP's Shame and Scandal

[Tuff Gong]

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Better must come? The nature of political expectations
published: Sunday | April 9, 2006

Shalman Scott, Contributor

EXPECTATIONS WITHIN our politics are once more at a crescendo. And, looking back to the last 30 years, the cycles of peaking political expectations followed by troughs of disappointment and cynicism have carved out an indelible pattern on the political landscape too glaring for even the least attentive among us not to see.

I would wish to call attention to the continuum of this trend which had its genesis in the event of the emancipation of the black underclass on August 1, 1838, and show how the nature of that earlier expectation, handicapped by a weak knowledge base but strong in emotions and abstract beliefs was to become the prototype of the character of modern day political hopes.

It cannot be said that the earliest political expectations were totally misplaced. We can boast of making some progress since the abolition of slavery. But, political cynicism and disenchantment have not arisen as a consequence of our progress, but rather because of the lack of sufficient progress and how we as a people have experienced governance.

The Jamica Labour Party (JLP) policies and political practice in 1960-1972 laid the solid psychological foundation for the emergence of Michael Manley in 1972. Using the slogan 'change' and 'better must come', Manley, with a doctrine of social justice fired the imagination of the Jamaican people, timulating an avalanche of expectations beyond his own capacity and that of the economy to respond. This, coupled with external political interventions facilitated by local political forces, resulted in Manley's defeat just eight years after his triumphal entry into Jamaican politics.

DOLDRUMS OF DISAPPOINTMENT

One of the symptoms of high expectation falling precipitously into the doldrums of disappointment was the uncontrollable anger and hatred which ensued and which turned Jamaica, by 1979, into a virtual killing field.

During that diabolical engagement, political disillusionment and confusion replaced political expectation which sunk to an all-time low until the dust was settled and the most unlikely victor Eddie Seaga, emerged as Prime Minister in 1980. At this stage, political expectation began to move northward again, but this was to be relatively short-lived. Within 24 months of the Seaga-led government, the public opinion polls began to show that rapid mistrust and resentment on the part of the Jamaican people towards the JLP Government was on the increase.

Manley made a comeback in 1989 but gave way in 1992 to 'Fresh Prince' P.J. Patterson. The 'black man time' agenda was invoked and an unprecedented number of houses, water schemes, schools, roads etc., have been built alongside an unprecedented level of waste, corruption and cronyism. Yet, the more the country seems to progress, the more the nature and operation of that progress generates increasing powerlessness and alienation for the average man and woman.

This experience from the 1990s to the present is a flashback to the progress of the 1960s under the JLP with a similar pattern of economic growth which was outstripped by social discontent.

It is in the context of such roller-coaster expectations that Portia Simpson Miller has emerged in the first decade of this millennium promising to be new and different something for which the people have longed but which has become for the most part an elusive dream.

POLITICAL MESSIAH

People continue the search even more earnestly, it seems, for a politician to be their messiah.

The psychologists introduced the term 'valency' into the lexicon of motivational theory, and define that word as the drive to satisfy a need. They argue that the more the satisfaction of a need eludes an individual, the more the valency or drive to fulfil that need increases.

Accordingly, if this principle of the valency/need relationship is accepted, it becomes easy to see that the pattern of the cycles of high political expectations followed by low political hope and, consequently, a search for a deliverer will always be on.

Like all politicians caught up with 'feel good' syndrome, Portia Simpson Miller is no exception. But, should these sayings be taken seriously?

At P.J. Patterson's inauguration in 1993, he got a standing ovation when he declared that his government would be a transparent one, no doubt having the Shell Waiver scandal which cost $29.5 million (1991) and the furniture scandal ($10.6 million) on his mind while the audience cheered gladly.

But, in 1997-2002 the $5.5 billion Operation PRIDE/NHDC scandal broke. This was to be followed by the public sector salary scandal of $60 million, NetServ with $220 million, followed by an additional $153 million spent on a plant in St. Thomas for which it was later discovered that there were no takers for the investment planned.

The NSWMA scandal erupted in 2005, costing conservatively $2 billion, and then the Sandals White House project scandal which cost $2 billion. Then, there were cost overruns on a number of projects over an eight-year period, 1995-1998 and 2001-2004, involving companies owned by former PNP Members of Parliament and other highly placed persons within the PNP. These amounted to $8 billion.

If one does the arithmetic and factors in the zinc scandal in 1989 ($500 million) we are approaching close to between $18 to $20 billion of waste and corruption since the PNP Government has been in power.

Portia Simpson Miller has announced that she intends to stamp out corruption. In an apparent attempt to underscore how serious she is about this matter, she announced that pastors will be used as chairmen of boards. While, on the surface, it seem to be a good move to engage men of the cloth in the administration of government assuming that these pastors are all honest any simplistic expectations could backfire, firstly on the pastors themselves and then on the church.

CORRUPTION

Corruption in government is systemic and very often does not exist or operate at the level of the boards. In other words, the board members many of the present ones being Christians are often the last to know what's going down. The pastor, who does not and in some cases may never understand the modus operandi and webs of collusion on the ground, can only rely on what is presented to him or her on paper.

The scandals will begin again even with the pastors as chairman of these boards. Disappointment will set in and there will be a lowering of political expectation. Only, this time around, the church where people would normally go for solace and comfort would have been seriously implicated. Not to mention the attempts which will be made to use the pastors as scapegoats to appease the venom of political activists who may have lost a well needed contract.

TIGHT MORAL SHIP

No one can expect the new Prime Minister to give any definite assurance that the present administration will not have corruption within it. She, like Edward Seaga, might believe and even do everything within her power to prevent the monster of corruption, but Seaga's Minister of Labour ended up behind bars.

The discovery of the corruption in the farm work programme was not even made by Seaga who constantly gave the impression of running a tight moral ship, and one in which no sin could enter.

We need more stringent laws and sanctions against waste by our politicians. They must know that once they are caught being wasteful there will be no exoneration.


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Shalman Scott is a political analyst. Email him at [email protected]

Better must come? The nature of political expectations

[evanovitch]

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It certainly is not a good look for those PMs who are Black. The only white man to create the most for black people in a black society. One might start to wonder if Black people can indeed rule themselves in a civil manner.

Haiti, for over 200 years have been liberated from white rule, yet, it is the poorest country in the world, riddled with corruption. Are Black folks just too selfish, and is that the type of attitude that brough us here in the first place (are we just proned to sell our babies?).

A white man doing the most for black people, puh! Done all for political support and gain, how much him dig out of the country. Him should do the most and even more. Afterall, him get a whole heap.

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u know wen i read about Seaga, talk to him, look at what he has done, i see more of a man doing what he thought right for his country as opposed to 'black' people... an for those who i anticipate, please read the statement within the context it is being made... .whether he was just an oscarperformance man or juss a nice man, i found him veddy down to earth to tawk with...unlike others, u never got the sense he was trying to be grounds to be grounds....his use of patois never sounded contrived like so many others within his own party and the other party ...he is not or was not perfect...none of them are/were...but this i do maintain, he is one of a handful of politicians that i have had the chance to interact with and feel comfortable that they were never being condescending wen interacting with their constituents....even from the DemSoc camp, so many, including Joshua , had something that just was not wholly natural....he had charisma,which does not necessarily capture the element of naturalness...he was not his father who had wat Seaga has wid di common man....but dat is whole other post

[Hopyoneson]

Re: brap brap fi uncle eddie...respek due indeed

Tuff, mi mean seh prove what I am saying is "dishonest" about Seaga...what you pulling up mi know already, you straying from your original point that you ask me for examples of Seaga questionable behavior, and mi no reach enchanted gardens scandal yet.

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He understands black people far more than many black people understand themselves
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my yout...mek mi tell u someting...if u want me to clarify a statement that is not mine in the first place it naw go happen....i reprinted an article written about an area of contribution by a man, who has certain contributions to my island home that i admire

from ur tone with me on occasion, it would seem u want some sort of confrontation....been dere, done dat pon dis site....

now if i am reading u wrong, my apologies, but di trow wud etc naw wuk wid dis yah smaddy..... i am the empress of that genre and i have a longggggg history of proof along that line...

now wen u read my posts, expand ur thinking to get at wat i say...if u dont understand , ask me for clarification but truss me, the run behind etc naw get no where wid me...as di rappers r wont to say, 'if u dont know , ask some body'' ...one love star

[jah_yout]

Re: brap brap fi uncle eddie...respek due indeed

u r correct;
you're reading me wrong...
apology accepted...good day to you

[Tuff Gong]

Re: brap brap fi uncle eddie...respek due indeed

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Tuff, mi mean seh prove what I am saying is "dishonest" about Seaga...what you pulling up mi know already, you straying from your original point that you ask me for examples of Seaga questionable behavior, and mi no reach enchanted gardens scandal yet.

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You mentioned the Zinc and other so-called transgressions of Eddie Blinds, what evidence of any have you provided?