Under Seige

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Under Seige

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmoothOperator</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
The very reliable newspaper, the Christian Science Monitor ran a story I still recall in which they told of how the CIA flew small planes loaded with guns from Opa Locka to Sangster.

It makes no sense at all for Manley or the PNP who were in power to smuggle in guns if they controlled the police and army.

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CIA involvement in the runup to the 1980 elections has been well documented. But your last sentence sums up my main point exactly. The police and army should not be used as political operatives for any party. Recall Green Bay. And do recall the now infamous words of then National Security Minister, Dudley Thompson...'No angels died at Greenbay'. Also, recall the state of emergency in the runup to the '80 election when politicians from the opposing side were locked away without cause.

Let there be no doubt that the PNP was up to no good during those very dark days and was flirting with the idea of overthrowing democracy as we know it. It is astounding to me that so many have forgotten that dark period in Jamaica's history and the activites that led up to it.

GreenBay Flashback:

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20060430/news/news5.html

</div></div>Ther was no state of emergency during the 'run up' to th e80's election.
The state of emergency involved th election before that in 1976.
Where do you get your information from?

[SmoothOperator]

Re: Under Seige

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ther was no state of emergency during the 'run up' to th e80's election.
The state of emergency involved th election before that in 1976.
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The State of Emergency was in '76 ,that is correct, prior to December elections in that year. Still 500+ people were locked up including prominent JLP supporters and the bloody struggle which began before the '76 election carried right on through until 1980 when the PNP lost.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Under Seige

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmoothOperator</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ther was no state of emergency during the 'run up' to th e80's election.
The state of emergency involved th election before that in 1976.
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The State of Emergency was in '76 ,that is correct, prior to December elections in that year. Still 500+ people were locked up including prominent JLP supporters and the bloody struggle which began before the '76 election carried right on through until 1980 when the PNP lost. </div></div>
I wonder by what logic could it be suggested that the 'bloody strugle' during the peeriod when the PNP won and was governing could have been summarized as 'the PNP was instigating violence to avoid loosing?
It just does not make any sense.
In with the level of despiration involved here,all sense is out the door.

[remo]

Re: Under Seige

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmoothOperator</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ther was no state of emergency during the 'run up' to th e80's election.
The state of emergency involved th election before that in 1976.
</div></div>

The State of Emergency was in '76 ,that is correct, prior to December elections in that year. Still 500+ people were locked up including prominent JLP supporters and the bloody struggle which began before the '76 election carried right on through until 1980 when the PNP lost. </div></div>
I wonder by what logic could it be suggested that the 'bloody strugle' during the peeriod when the PNP won and was governing could have been summarized as 'the PNP was instigating violence to avoid loosing?
It just does not make any sense.
In with the level of despiration involved here,all sense is out the door. </div></div>

All sense is out the door is correct....so what happen all you labourites.....CAT GOT YOUR TONGUES?

[Tropicana]

Re: Under Siege

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jamaica among countries with highest rape rates in the world
RJR Jamaica
Thursday, 30 August 2007
Jamaica is among three Caribbean countries cited for the highest cases of rape in the world.

Topping the list of the top 10 recorded rape rates in the world is the Bahamas.

The United Nations/World Bank report shows that in the Bahamas, the number of reported rapes is almost 15 times higher than most countries.
Also in the top 10 is St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

The high rates of rape in some Caribbean countries have led to the calling of a region wide conference to tackle the problem.

The Bahamas Crisis Centre, which is coordinating the conference in September, said it is hoped that delegates will draw up new strategies to deal with sexual violence against women.

Director Sandra Dean-Patterson said the centre has been grappling with the problem of sexual violence for several years.

Dr. Dean-Patterson lamented that not enough attention was being paid to the problem and she is hoping that the September 25-29 conference will get the attention of regional governments.
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This has been a problem for a long time. I remember visiting as a teenager and hearing this. Of course we know in some areas, rapes are badly under reported. Let's not forget that but I agree, the problem needs attention. Are most of these date rapes or rapes of strangers? Rape is a crime of violence and anger not a sexual crime...let's not forget that.

Here are the stats:

Based on Raw Numbers

Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)

#1 United States: 89,110
#2 South Africa: 53,008
#3 Canada: 24,049
#4 Australia: 15,630
#5 India: 15,468
#6 Mexico: 13,061
#7 United Kingdom: 8,593
#8 France: 8,458
#9 Germany: 7,499
#10 Russia: 6,978
#11 Korea, South: 6,139
#12 Spain: 5,664
#13 Zimbabwe: 5,567
#14 Thailand: 4,020
#15 Venezuela: 2,931
#16 Poland: 2,399
#17 Italy: 2,336
#18 Japan: 2,260
#19 Colombia: 1,861
#20 Netherlands: 1,648
#21 Indonesia: 1,372
#22 Jamaica: 1,304
#23 Papua New Guinea: 1,295
#24 Turkey: 1,260
#25 Chile: 1,250
#26 Malaysia: 1,210

Per Capita Ranking

Forgive my ignorance but where the heck is Syechelles...never heard of it.

Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)

#1 South Africa: 1.19538 per 1,000 people
#2 Seychelles: 0.788294 per 1,000 people
#3 Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people
#4 Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people
#5 Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people
#6 Jamaica: 0.476608 per 1,000 people
#7 Zimbabwe: 0.457775 per 1,000 people
#8 Dominica: 0.34768 per 1,000 people
#9 United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
#10 Iceland: 0.246009 per 1,000 people
#11 Papua New Guinea: 0.233544 per 1,000 people
#12 New Zealand: 0.213383 per 1,000 people
#13 United Kingdom: 0.142172 per 1,000 people
#14 Spain: 0.140403 per 1,000 people
#15 France: 0.139442 per 1,000 people
#16 Korea, South: 0.12621 per 1,000 people
#17 Mexico: 0.122981 per 1,000 people
#18 Norway: 0.120836 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica: 0.118277 per 1,000 people
#20 Venezuela: 0.115507 per 1,000 people

Source

[Q3210]

Re: Under Siege

Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people

Montserrat wasn`t even mentioned in the first list.

Of the 15,000 or so population dem bad with their rape issues.

[Q3210]

Re: Under Seige

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmoothOperator</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ther was no state of emergency during the 'run up' to th e80's election.
The state of emergency involved th election before that in 1976.
</div></div>

The State of Emergency was in '76 ,that is correct, prior to December elections in that year. Still 500+ people were locked up including prominent JLP supporters and the bloody struggle which began before the '76 election carried right on through until 1980 when the PNP lost. </div></div>
I wonder by what logic could it be suggested that the 'bloody strugle' during the peeriod when the PNP won and was governing could have been summarized as 'the PNP was instigating violence to avoid loosing?
It just does not make any sense.
In with the level of despiration involved here,all sense is out the door. </div></div>

All sense is out the door is correct....so what happen all you labourites.....CAT GOT YOUR TONGUES? </div></div>

You both are missing out a lot on the world scene. Terrorism is used to intimidate any defractions and used to scare the population not to defy the rulers.

Eric Honneker used violence, so did Stalin and Hitler. Were they not rulers?

When the ton ton macoutes of Haiti did it. When the police do it, using combative measures they say to quell crime, many innocent people suffer directly.

It`s called state terrorism.

End of lesson 1,000,101.
Where have you guys been?

[remo]

Re: Under Seige

LAWD HAVE MERCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I GIVE UP.....

[Q3210]

Re: Under Seige

Lawd, nuh grant him nuh mercy. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70388-shameonyou.gif[/img]