Michael Manley - Died 11yrs ago today

[barosa]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wardob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XEvuRMoAWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAmJ5-TXR9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYTg4l7gPRo

Check it out </div></div>
Wardob, long time no hear! ~ Thanks for those videos; they brought back memories of a period in Jamaica, that will forever haunt many of us... I am sure that many old timers on Ja.Com is aware that I was a fan and supporter of Michael Manley in my young days. ~ It was during a period, growing up in Jamaica, becomming politically aware and for me, thought that the world began and ended in Jamaica until I migrated... As a young child, I even believed that Joe Louis, the boxer, was a JAMAICAN until I knew better.

Michael, the boss of the NWU, I met in my capacity as a union delegate and became one of his diciples, meaning, &quot;he could do no wrong&quot; as far as I was concerned... I later came to realized that he was only human, and was terribly disappointed in his role as &quot;Prime Minister of Jamaica&quot;... I did not live in Jamaica in the turbulent days of the late 60's and the 70's, but on visits during the period, I came to realize that Jamaica had slipped badly, very badly under his &quot;stewardship&quot; as leader...

I was never one, who was against &quot;Socialism&quot; because that's what the party under his father Norman, described itself as, and as for the British experience, I saw no threat... His dalliance with Castro and Democratic &quot;Socialism&quot; got him in trouble with the US.. As a result, the &quot;Moneyd Class&quot; took their money and ran, followed by a large sector of the middle class who did likewise... The stories told when I visited seemed unJamaican, they were so &quot;unreal&quot;... To me Jamaica has never been the same again... He became more penetent, sought forgiveness; won a next election, but could not put Jamaica (like Humpty Dumpty) back together again. ~ He literally &quot;derailed&quot; Jamaica, Land we Love...
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What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight - it's the SIZE of the fight in the dog. - Dwight Eisenhower.

[britisha]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

A Babsie dat innah wan a di vids a seh shi did deh a jail?


Wow!! dose, yes dose were some bad times....

[uswe]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

The excerpts are from a documentary called &quot;Blood and Fire&quot; that was one of a series of programmes aired by the BBC in 2002 to celebrate Jamaica's 40th year of independence. The others were &quot;Jamaica, Life &amp; Dept&quot; and the &quot;History of Reggae Music&quot;.

[britisha]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The excerpts are from a documentary called &quot;Blood and Fire&quot; that was one of a series of programmes aired by the BBC in 2002 to celebrate Jamaica's 40th year of independence. The others were &quot;Jamaica, Life &amp; Dept&quot; and the &quot;History of Reggae Music&quot;. </div></div>

They really aired something like that, so sad and depressing to commemorate the 40th anniversary? Wow!

7 months innah confinement...whole heap a tings did a gwaan fi chru.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Babsie dat innah wan a di vids a seh shi did deh a jail?


Wow!! dose, yes dose were some bad times.... </div></div>Babsy and Pernel was put on Planes and exhiled out of the Country. That was what Jamaican faced in the Jamaica of their birth

[Tuff Gong]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Wardob]... His dalliance with Castro and Democratic &quot;Socialism&quot; got him in trouble with the US.. As a result, the &quot;Moneyd Class&quot; took their money and ran, followed by a large sector of the middle class who did likewise... </div></div>

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">You are lying</span> Menlie own words was that he did not want Millionaires and Jamaica and that anyone who wanted to be a Millionaire could hop on one of the five flights to Miami.
I was watched while many Jamaicans where thrown out of their homes and businesses <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">while folks like you had the luxury of merely visiting it we had to live it and need no sugar coating of the facts to digest it.</span>

[Q3210]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

Wildfire Tuffist, tek yu time on our bredren Barry nuh man.

Calling him a liar is much too harsh.

What I do know is that, since the 70`s Jamaica`s quality of life, quality of thinking, standards and values have dropped dramatically.

Schools are more now but too many students are graduating semi literate. Most cannot read let alone speak English. Many cannot give directions on the road, more than what was there barefeet and in tear up trousers as Mottie Perkins would say.
Yes, many now dress up in some high profile clothing but what means have they attained to do so other than pushing weed and coke and doing some kind of Dee Jay dancehall gig that the world is willing to pay top dollar to hear.
And also many at home in Jamaica rely on remittances from farrin, without which they would be more tempted to indulge in crime and more crime.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wildfire Tuffist, tek yu time on our bredren Barry nuh man.

Calling him a liar is much too harsh. </div></div>


To claim that it was post declaration of Socialism that landed Menlie in trouble with Jamaicans and the USA <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">is not true and anyone who make that claim is a liar or don’t know what they are talking about</span>.

Prior to Menlie’s victory there was already years of vicious rhetoric against the 21-Families, Edward Seaga, the JLP, the Moneyed Class and Light Skinned Jamaicans
Throughout Hugh Shearer’s tenure as Prime Minster he was dubbed Share-Out because as the NWU claimed he had share out Jamaican s of the fortunes that our exports were earning.

As soon as Menlie came to power the reign of terror began and even the middle class was targeted. Of course after 1974 it was virtually impossible to live in Jamaica is you were not a PNP sycophant, old, very young or able to fly under the radar.

As for the claim that is was the rich who spirited their money out of Jamaica that is another fabrication. Many folks had to smuggle money out of Jamaica some to purchase good and part for their business operations and some to pay for their kids, who were forced to run away, education and upkeep.
I can attest to that because I used to help buy, sell and Smuggle ForEx in and out of Jamaica. Even the National Commercial Bank became one of our clients.

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Correction to my post above:</span>

Of course I had meant to say Babsy Grange and Pearnel's immediate family was exiled out of Jamaica.
The Menlie regime was so cruel that even when the man's wife suffered a near fatal accident the GOJ would not even allowing him to go she her on was almost her deathbed.

That is the kind of terror we are sugarcoating with niceties.

[Q3210]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

How come you affirm yourself to the PNP as your party.
I too had my attachments but realized that the people steering the boat were not good people. They only wanted a private party of opportunity for those who signed up as members. Jamaicans came a distant last and Jamaica became a place for plundering, hence PJ`s statement that politics in Jamaica is a fight for scarce benefits and political spoils carried on by hostile tribes.....

[Q3210]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

Now we have Bruce who seemed a lot more vibrant when bringing in the NDM, but now seems as inert as the rest of Jamaican intellectuals who seem more pre-occupied with their own welfare than that of Jamaica as a whole.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How come you affirm yourself to the PNP as your party.</div></div>
Menlie, P Joke or Sistah P is no more PNP than I am. They are or were in Leadership but they are not or were not the PNP.

[britisha]

Re: RIP Mr Manley

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How come you affirm yourself to the PNP as your party.</div></div>
Menlie, P Joke or Sistah P is no more PNP than I am. They are or were in Leadership but they are not or were not the PNP. </div></div>

A rather interesting response, I'd say.

[Wardob]

Re: Michael Manley - Died 11yrs ago today

Respect Barosa. Check this,I guess you will like it also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okXIlWsNXNw

[barosa]

Re: Michael Manley - Died 11yrs ago today

Wardob, Thanks for that bit of &quot;ancient&quot; history. not really, because you and I are still alive to remember the times. However, it's historical in the sense that the speech heralded the &quot;Change&quot; that Jamaica was going to face in the months and years to come... It's ironic that at the time it was delivered, Jamaicans by and large embraced it because there was the expectation that &quot;nothing but good&quot; would come from it. Michael was at the height of his &quot;charismatic power&quot; (so to speak); he made &quot;believers&quot; out of the majority... Be that as it may, there were many non-believers, more than enough skeptics and lukewarm believers such as myself..

I was not there to experience it, the details are many, but we all knew what transpired between 1973 and 1980 during which, his &quot;house of cards&quot; came tumbing down. ~ The rest as they say, is history.. ~ Thanks again Wardie for that &quot;refresher&quot;...
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What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight - it's the SIZE of the fight in the dog. - Dwight Eisenhower.

[britisha]

Re: Michael Manley - Died 11yrs ago today

What I really respected him and his father for, was their constant litany about the value of a good education; and opening the eyes of the poorer masses that this was the way to go..

Now what is really repulsive is what happens after many Jamaicans get educated at the expense of Jamaican taxpayers dollars...ie..<span style="font-style: italic">they never gave anything back to the society...instead they ran like a thief, even absconding and never paying back their school loans...mekking it big and never paying back..</span>

In essence thieves who robbed the &quot;poor&quot;... this is painful.

I think there was an article about the dead-beats, and that their names will be published for all to see....[as if that is going to shame them]

Love his analogy re the doctor and the bad tasting medicine for &quot;better mus/tuh come..&quot;

<span style="font-weight: bold">Change..

&quot;self-reliance&quot; is this still a part of our vocabulary?</span>


**aye sah, aaye papi***