Now This is a car!

[Emperah]

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[Peasie]

since everybaddy fraid fi tell yuh, mi wi say it ... it ugly bad. Sorry

[Emperah]

[kia027]

meh... carbon emitting vehicle you have there Dahjah.

This one is CO2FREE and so cool BMW blogged about it

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http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/05/22/bmwblog-test-drive-tesla-model-s/

[Emperah]

Gweh wid yuh tesla, if i could afford 1 mi wouldan get one tuh

Mek wi si how history deal wid tesla though

[kia027]

Gweh wid yuh tesla, if i could afford 1 mi wouldan get one tuh

Mek wi si how history deal wid tesla though

Company has been around since 2003.. Made the Roadster , paid off its government loan 9 years early. It is a game changer.

We will see how much the electrical bill is this month to determine how much it costs to run. Less moving parts, less maintenance. No sales tax, no emissions inspection fee and a govt tax credit of $7500 puts the car in GMC Yukon Denali price range.

http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/tesla-repays-department-energy-loan-nine-years-early

PALO ALTO, Calif.-- Tesla Motors announced that it has paid off the entire loan awarded to the company by the Department of Energy in 2010. In addition to payments made in 2012 and Q1 2013, today’s wire of almost half a billion dollars ($451.8M) repays the full loan facility with interest. Following this payment, Tesla will be the only American car company to have fully repaid the government.
For the first seven years since its founding in 2003, Tesla was funded entirely with private funds, led by Elon Musk. Tesla brought its Roadster sports car to market with a 30% gross margin, designed electric powertrains for Daimler (Mercedes) and had done preliminary design of the Model S all before receiving a government loan.

[Emperah]

a nuh dat mi mean.
I mean cars like camaro, trans am corvette, mustang, dodge chargers etc are cars that are still sought after and still carry a good price. Some of them are collectors items. You cyaan seh dat bout too many cars on the market at all.
Not one japanese cyaar is a collectors item or many european cars.

[RichD]

a nuh dat mi mean.
I mean cars like camaro, trans am corvette, mustang, dodge chargers etc are cars that are still sought after and still carry a good price. Some of them are collectors items. You cyaan seh dat bout too many cars on the market at all.
Not one japanese cyaar is a collectors item or many european cars.

yuh have a very America-centric view

[RichD]

Company has been around since 2003.. Made the Roadster , paid off its government loan 9 years early. It is a game changer.

We will see how much the electrical bill is this month to determine how much it costs to run. Less moving parts, less maintenance. No sales tax, no emissions inspection fee and a govt tax credit of $7500 puts the car in GMC Yukon Denali price range.

i don't like this tax credit business.

i can understand why the rightwingers up in arms over these green programs. they need to re-examine the models.

[RichD]

a nuh dat mi mean.
I mean cars like camaro, trans am corvette, mustang, dodge chargers etc are cars that are still sought after and still carry a good price. Some of them are collectors items. You cyaan seh dat bout too many cars on the market at all.
Not one japanese cyaar is a collectors item or many european cars.

yuh have a very America-centric view

[kia027]

i don't like this tax credit business.

i can understand why the rightwingers up in arms over these green programs. they need to re-examine the models.

Tax credits are incentives for a short period of time to encourage development and use of changing technology. EG there were solar tax credits that were in effect for a few years until solar started taking off and have been discontinued

Right wingers not up in arms over the tax credits businesses receive today though...

[RichD]

Tax credits are incentives for a short period of time to encourage development and use of changing technology. EG there were solar tax credits that were in effect for a few years until solar started taking off and have been discontinued

Right wingers not up in arms over the tax credits businesses receive today though...

yes i understand the theory behind it .

the rest of us are up in arms about those business credits

on the solar front i have a issue with the grid buy back model..to me that is almost like a pyramid scheme ..if you get in early you get paid but once the market is saturated you lose your money

[kia027]

yes i understand the theory behind it .

the rest of us are up in arms about those business credits

on the solar front i have a issue with the grid buy back model..to me that is almost like a pyramid scheme ..if you get in early you get paid but once the market is saturated you lose your money

solar panel prices have dropped significantly since 2009. So you invested in less CO2 for the planet and a payback period of 6-7 years. If we qualify given our higher electrical usage we may consider getting a few more.

[RichD]

solar panel prices have dropped significantly since 2009. So you invested in less CO2 for the planet and a payback period of 6-7 years. If we qualify given our higher electrical usage we may consider getting a few more.

what is the payback period if there is no grid buy back of surplus? My issue is that if you have wholesale adoption of the technology there is no way the grid can buy back the surplus from everybody. right now in Ontario the grid is buying Wind energy at a premium and when the production is high they actually have to pay New York state to take some of the surplus energy. this is where i say the model needs to be reexamined. Now if you say you fully off grid.

[kia027]

what is the payback period if there is no grid buy back of surplus? My issue is that if you have wholesale adoption of the technology there is no way the grid can buy back the surplus from everybody. right now in Ontario the grid is buying Wind energy at a premium and when the production is high they actually have to pay New York state to take some of the surplus energy. this is where i say the model needs to be reexamined. Now if you say you fully off grid.

we dont have grid buyback per se but we have a credit balance which gets used up in the winter months when we generate less solar on our own.

The number of panels we can have on the roof are managed by the state clean energy program which ensures you generate what you are using (we have to provide 6 months of electric bills to gauge usage) So we end up breaking even or paying for electricity.

There is electric deregulation (similar to what the phone companies did a few years ago) where we can choose an electric service provider. While PSEG has the infrastructure and lines to our house we use a company that generates wind energy to purchase our power-- essentially PSEG has to buy the amount of power we use from the wind company