no more blue seem

[RichD]

Do you honestly believe that changing the word Force to Service will bring about a transformation of the woeful, bloody, killing-machine that is the JCF?

it is not a some magical transformation but it might be symbolic of intent.

[Tuff Gong]

Mobile Reserve does beat duty ???? That suprises me... thought they were a "special" force ie they were there to bring resources when the local police station / division needed extra operational support

You are correct but they have been put on Beat Duty precisely in the situation you outlined, when resources are low are some stations.

[Tuff Gong]

it is not a some magical transformation but it might be symbolic of intent.

No it going to direct action to change the culture of the JCF and of Jamaicans who accept that police must act as judge, jury and executioner all at the same instant.

One day I would like to be in a position to collect and collate data on every police shooting from the perspective of the Man/ooman-In-The-Street comments in the print/electronic media.
Already I save almost every article from the Observer, Gleaner (less so now since they have moved behind a firewall), sometimes RJR and TVJ. It is shocking how casually Jamaicans dismiss the views of the victims and their supporters and embrace the shoot-on-sight actions of the JCF.

I suggest to you that, the resounding support the JCF Killing Machine receives from john/jane public is the main reason why any papering over the blood by a change of name from Force to Service, will do zero to halt the unlawful slaughter of Jamaicans by the security forces.

[RichD]

I suggest to you that, the resounding support the JCF Killing Machine receives from john/jane public is the main reason why any papering over the blood by a change of name from Force to Service, will do zero to halt the unlawful slaughter of Jamaicans by the security forces.

I agree with you on that ..there has to be a change in mindset

[Wahalla]

One day I would like to be in a position to collect and collate data on every police shooting from the perspective of the Man/ooman-In-The-Street comments in the print/electronic media.
Already I save almost every article from the Observer, Gleaner (less so now since they have moved behind a firewall), sometimes RJR and TVJ. It is shocking how casually Jamaicans dismiss the views of the victims and their supporters and embrace the shoot-on-sight actions of the JCF.

I suggest to you that, the resounding support the JCF Killing Machine receives from john/jane public is the main reason why any papering over the blood by a change of name from Force to Service, will do zero to halt the unlawful slaughter of Jamaicans by the security forces.

I wish I could argue with you and say you are wrong... i cant....too often the attitude is im mussi a did duh someting y dem shat im....

I stated once that Jamaica has a necormantic society we are death obbessed... with funeals murder as retribution and resolution acceptance of killing....and too oftne people will say it is not so.. Violence is standard now, people live behind bars... The police are the winged angels of death for our country....violence and murder is part of our culture....

[Wahalla]

You are correct but they have been put on Beat Duty precisely in the situation you outlined, when resources are low are some stations.

i thought mobile reserve were a more SWATeque... they were better trained and equiped.. beat patrol by the Mobile strikes me as wrong deployment of a resource........

I also thought that DC and ISCF were to be used as the suppliment for beat policing....not the mobile reserve....


That is one of Shearers policies, i read somewhere he use to have lunch with them once every couple weeks when he was PM...... there was an attempt to disband them... and we had since then Acid Squad, Erradication, Serious Crime ect.. yet mobile reserve still exists.

[Tuff Gong]

i thought mobile reserve were a more SWATeque... they were better trained and equiped.. beat patrol by the Mobile strikes me as wrong deployment of a resource........

I also thought that DC and ISCF were to be used as the suppliment for beat policing....not the mobile reserve....

You are right in all your thoughts and assumptions except that in practice there are manpower and command issues to deal with.
Before the now merger the only three entities the JCF had direct control over was the:
The traditional Red Seam. Mobile Reserve and the DCs.
The DC are a civilian force operated out of the Ministry of National Security but under the command of the JCF. JCF is of course JCF with many Divisions including Beat and Foot Patrol (operational only in Kingston and some parts of St. Andrew {other large Police Areas had their own Beat and Foot Patrol Units, though not Dividion}) and Mobile Reserve (which are Red Seam Police who normally got a shorter training geared mostly to SWAT type operations), they are also trained in Beat Duty and they were the guards at the Gun Court Red Fence and Horizon before the Prison Service took it completely over.

The ISCF Blue Seam was not ever under the command of the JCF, except when they worked on patrols with the JCF. When a Red Seam, Mobile Reserve, DC and JDF member of the Security Forces is sent to work in a Police Division, he or she is likely to do Beat and Foot Patrol duties, is all I am saying. I have seen it myself.