did busta mash up jamaica?

[Tuff Gong]

...and it runs deep in my veins. I am descended from one of the founding members of the PNP.

Tribalism and buffoonery runs deep in your veins we all know that.

Yes, yes, we know that. Mi talking about how the decline started particularly de gun business. I wasn't there so I have to rely on reports from those who were.

Yu weren't there but I was you don't know what you are talking about. For one thing guns were introduced to Jamaica politics in the mid-40s and the decline of the Jamaican Economy started under Comrade Micheal Menlie in the 70s. The contemporaneous accounts all bear that out.

[RichD]

The blood flows through my veins.

that sounds like blind support to me.


so yu ever meet anybody who is not a comrade? yuh ever seek out their version?

and then usually the truth is somewhere in the middle

[blugiant]

i can never understand the familia political allegiance ...seems ridiculous to me...why would you who never participated int he political system in Jamaica have any allegiance to the PNP?..is it their policy you support?


i see people who left jamaica 40 years ago still referring to themselves as comrade....people like mr walters

i think t at kind of tribalism more than anything else is what is the downfall of Jamaica

as a likkle yuth mii memba mii grandfaddar sittinn pon imm verandah widd pj discussinn politrixxs

wan aff mii cousin iss a jlp politrixxstahs

da stark realitee iss mii bunn fiyah pon jlp ann pnp cah dem a divide ann conquer sintinn

[RichD]

as a likkle yuth mii memba mii grandfaddar sittinn pon imm verandah widd pj discussinn politrixxs

wan aff mii cousin iss a jlp politrixxstahs

da stark realitee iss mii bunn fiyah pon jlp ann pnp cah dem a divide ann conquer sintinn

so it not running deep in your veins?

[blugiant]

so it not running deep in your veins?

mii grandfaddar was a petit politrixxstah so no


too much innocent poor peeps died ova jamaica elites foolishness fe mii fe support annee aff dem

[Tropicana]

that sounds like blind support to me.

No it is a statement of fact regarding genealogy and ancestry.....I have no control over my ancestry...do you? I am just not that powerful.

so yu ever meet anybody who is not a comrade? yuh ever seek out their version?

and then usually the truth is somewhere in the middle

I boarded with a lady in Jamaica who was a staunch JLP supporter and got her POV daily. Does that count?

A couple or older friends of the family who were very active in the PNP now support JLP, does that count?

[Wahalla]

Both Tropicana and idiot Author are talking out of their rear!

Busta was a politician and he appealed to the poor not the middle class was always the history, some how thsi changed.


His support was the rural and the unskilled workers.. highter skills and less worker the pnp appealed, Busta did not have an ideology or was attracted ot Fabian socialists like those of the PNP.. His breaking away was due to conflict wuith the intelectuals as opposed the the instintive polticians that he was....it id odd that he was voted a National Hero by his opponets very early on and now those decendants opponets are deominsing him...

.. if memory serves me correctly it was Busta who got arrested by the Colonial authorties not Norman, it was busta who faced down the police not the PNP and pushed out his chest to get shot.. Busta spoke Patwa naturally, who struggled with english, not Norman and he was constantly being belittled for this... it was Busta who literasy and schooling was questioned not Norman... ( I attended one heros day at primary school and this was waht we were taught!)

what has happened is the iconography development of the PNP into a workers party which is a myth...and it is odd that the children of those who run wey from the PNP in the 70's now are socialist ????? the problem is that Busta does not appeal to the intellectual pen dragons because of the issue of race in Jamaica, as well as his instintive rejection of socialism... He saw race differently to those interlectuals closer to the PNP of the 70s who are now writing

IMHO busta failure is the fact that the JLP never developed the structure of democracy, but Busta was a democrat he beleived in election and walking out of parliment..And he did talk to his cousin and compromise.... Lets face it we had a sweetie named after Busta not Norman!

As for the appeal of blood it rankles that so little is known by those whos cast themselves as authorties........the Smalls were a cross party family... Panton the ex husband of the delightfully fragrant Hanna was a labourite.....

But us uneducated seem to understand the development of chirisinty if in 50 years truth has been spun on its head in a era of high literasy imagine how the historical nature of christianity changed !

[RichD]

No it is a statement of fact regarding genealogy and ancestry.....I have no control over my ancestry...do you? I am just not that powerful.

still cant understand how political stripe gets into the genes ..but is your thing not mise so carry on

I boarded with a lady in Jamaica who was a staunch JLP supporter and got her POV daily. Does that count?

A couple or older friends of the family who were very active in the PNP now support JLP, does that count?

so did their recount of events correspond to what you posted above?

[Tropicana]

still cant understand how political stripe gets into the genes ..but is your thing not mise so carry on

If one of my ancestors was a founding member of the PNP you can't see how his blood would be flowing through my veins...DUH!!!!

so did their recount of events correspond to what you posted above?

He died before I started school.

Have not had time to read the article just skimmed it. I can only see posts from you and blugiant so I can't comment on anything else.

The JLP lady despised the PNP and had nothing positive to say about them.

[Tuff Gong]

Busta was a politician and he appealed to the poor!

I read the Jamaica Observer's feature on the aged diligently on Sundays.
Two old ladies at different times mentioned Busta.
One said she was working at a job and Busta came to visit. He asked her how much she earned. When she informed him of her earnings, he told her to leave the job and he used his contacts to get a better paying one.
The other old lady had a similar story.
Little wonder Comrade clowns tried to discredit the man, just as they did to Eddie Blinds.

[RichD]

If one of my ancestors was a founding member of the PNP you can't see how his blood would be flowing through my veins...DUH!!!!

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He died before I started school.

so you did not know yes you claim to have similar political leanings? ...i still dont get it

The JLP lady despised the PNP and had nothing positive to say about them.

Did the comrades you gave you their accounts have anything good to say about the JLP? how did you decide who's version you would adopt?

[Tropicana]

so you did not know yes you claim to have similar political leanings? ...i still dont get it

When did I claim to have similar political leanings? I have made no comment one way or another.

Did the comrades you gave you their accounts have anything good to say about the JLP? how did you decide who's version you would adopt?

First of all the people I discussed this with were older and I never heard them use the term comrade.

As stated earlier, some of them switched their allegiance to JLP later in life.

In terms of what version of ANY issue to adopt, I listen to all points of view, do my own reading and analysis and come to my own conclusions.

Any political party is like a river. PNP today is not the same as PNP when it was founded or PNP in the 19, 70s or 80s. The same can be said for ANY political party.

As stated earlier, I don't really believe in being loyal to one party because I can't find a single party that reflects my views on economic and social justice issues and also reflects my strong family values orientation. So, I have to make my selection based on the individual candidates that are available and select the one that ticks off most of the important boxes for me.

[Tropicana]

Not sure what this has to do with whether or not Busta mash up Jamaica.

[RichD]

Not sure what this has to do with whether or not Busta mash up Jamaica.

the thesis was that busta mash up Jamaica ...you suggest that according to your sources that is not true , that it was seaga who mash up Jamaica ..now yuh see the connection?

you forgot who said this:

From what I understand problems started in the 1970s and rested with Seaga who was in the background stirring up trouble.

[RichD]

When did I claim to have similar political leanings? I have made no comment one way or another.

so what relevance was the comment about PNP blood deep in your veins other that to explain the basis of your allegiance/leanings?