black americans versus immigrants

[franksterr]

No YOU took it in this direction when you said your daughter claimed that people of ALL races and background come to the events the Black Students Union puts on.




YOU are the one who brought people other than immigrants into this discussion and when I posted NUFF evidence to show you didn't know what you were talking about you suddenly don't want to discuss that anymore.

Next time you make a claim, make sure it isn't something that can easily be proven incorrect.

Okay this should kill your present line of reasoning



The president of the Black Students Association (BSA), Nneka C. Eze ’07, pointed out that the 300 members of her group span not just several countries—but entire continents.

“Whether they are from Africa, from the Caribbean, second generation, 10th, 20th generation...there is such variation within the students in BSA,” she said.

And nearly 20 members of the BSA identify as white, according to the group’s former president, Lawrence E. Adjah ’06.

As leader of the BSA for a year starting in the spring of 2004, Adjah made no effort to count the number of whites within its ranks or to identify them specifically. “Everybody was equal,” he said.

But even when campus organizations don’t single out members who are transcending ethnic barriers, these students do sometimes stick out.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/3/21/ethnic-groups-reach-beyond-blood-ties/

[blugiant]

You are making this up.

yuh need fe chatt to more oyinbo

guess yuh neva ear jews woo bunn fiyah pon addar jews eiddar

[blugiant]

That is NOT a generalization. I have gotten this straight from the horses' mouth...students on campuses all over the US as well as Black Student Offices'. I think they know a little bit more than you what is going on.

Language is not intended to inflame, it is intended to communicate the truth when people would prefer to ignore it.

da ting doah iss wen mii was inn da blakk student affice mii neva ear diss. plus sum aff da elected peeps in da blakk student office were ann ar fram da caribbean ann sum blakk merikkans ar aff caribbean descent

so mii doan kno wat yuh chattinn bout cah mii was a memba in college

[Tropicana]

yuh need fe chatt to more oyinbo

guess yuh neva ear jews woo bunn fiyah pon addar jews eiddar

yes.....for marrying blondes.

[Tropicana]

da ting doah iss wen mii was inn da blakk student affice mii neva ear diss. plus sum aff da elected peeps in da blakk student office were ann ar fram da caribbean ann sum blakk merikkans ar aff caribbean descent

so mii doan kno wat yuh chattinn bout cah mii was a memba in college

So what. This proves nothing. I was also involved in African American organizations on campus....I was one of the few from the Caribbean or of Caribbean heritage that was. I was also involved with the Caribbean students Association and there was no overlap except for the African Americans I invited to events. I guess you think all these people posting discussions, articles and YouTube videos about this issue are high on drugs or something. Sorry I don't do drugs. I can tell you what I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. You and others who claim there is no issue are just being dishonest same on the people on here who go on the attack every time racial issues are raised.

[blugiant]

So what. This proves nothing. I was also involved in African American organizations on campus....I was one of the few from the Caribbean or of Caribbean heritage that was. I was also involved with the Caribbean students Association and there was no overlap except for the African Americans I invited to events. I guess you think all these people posting discussions, articles and YouTube videos about this issue are high on drugs or something. Sorry I don't do drugs. I can tell you what I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. You and others who claim there is no issue are just being dishonest same on the people on here who go on the attack every time racial issues are raised.

nah deni few peeps ar like dat butt da majaritee ar natt like dat. itt was like wen mii was studyinn widd asian ann oyinbo gurls a couple aff amerikkan sistrens fram da blakk students wave mii fe cum ova to dem table ann mii wave dem fe cum to da table wear mii was sittinn. dem neva cum so mii ignored dem ann cantinueinn studyinn. lata dem tart fe give mii a speech bout ann intelligent bredren like mii ave obligation to blakk oomen. mii tell dem mii furst obligation iss fe gitt da best grade

tropi mii was wan aff de few blakks woo got invited to jewish events, oyinbo events, blakk student events ann caribbean event even dough dem knew mii bunn fiyah pon racism. dat y wen mii bunn fiyah pon racism pon yah peeps mite disagree widd mii butt dem kno mii can disagree widdout being disagreeable

[Tropicana]

nah deni few peeps ar like dat butt da majaritee ar natt like dat

I never stated percentages. I would have no way of estimating that.

BTW tap de noise an' come talk to me bout set-ups and Nyabinghi.....now that I finally know what binghi 'ouse is..... I learned that from Muta.

Still cyaan wrap mi ead round de mansions pawt . Mi bettah before jah_yout come cuss me.

[Tropicana]

I guess these folks are just making stuff up and spending money and investing time in exploring an issue that doesn't exist.

'We Don't Know Each Other': Film Explores Tension Between Africans & African Americans

The film "Bound: Africans vs. African Americans" details bloody histories of institutional racism on two continents, but the part that got a rise out of some 100 Rainier Beach High School students was a part that deals with an issue closer to their heart: dating.Halfway through the film, an African woman speaking on camera tells the story of getting approached by an African-American man in a nightclub who told her he wasn't typically attracted to African women.
That got the audience at Rainier Beach buzzing at a recent preview screening. While about half of the school's students share a skin color — some of them identifying as African, some of them as African American, they don't necessarily share a culture.
'Bound,' Beauty & Being Black
"Bound," which premieres Saturday at the Seattle International Film Festival, explores those little-known tensions, drawing laughter, applause and even a few shouts of protest from the crowd of Rainier Beach students.
"You don't see a beautiful African woman on TV. All you see is dark, bald heads," says one African-American man in the film during a conversation between people of various African backgrounds and black Americans.
The students laughed and stirred as others on-screen take the man to task.
"The temerity for you to sit here and say that 'dark' is not associated with beauty. Absolutely not," another African-American woman says on screen, drawing applause from the students.
'Something Is Wrong Here'
The film traces the tensions back centuries to lingering resentment from the trans-Atlantic slave trade — for which some African-Americans believe black Africans bear some responsibility — and explores its modern manifestations, from the use of "African booty scratcher" as an epithet to popular portrayals of black people of different national origins.
When film's director, Kenyan-born actress and writer Peres Owino, came to the U.S. for college, she would hear "whispered" stereotypes about African-Americans while hanging out with others who have African backgrounds.
It was ultimately what Owino calls her own "bad behavior" that spurred her to make a film.
"It's when you find yourself alienating people who, for all intents and purposes, look like you," said Owino, who now lives in Los Angeles. "You have to sit back and say, 'Something is wrong here, there is something inside me that is really, pretty much just being prejudiced.'"

http://kplu.org/post/we-dont-know-each-other-film-explores-tension-between-africans-african-americans#.U5VWUxHZd6A.facebook

[Tropicana]

As usual it seem like the only people who are in denial about certain issues are right here on this board.

Here is another person pointing out the same dynamics that I have and that some of onoo claim don't exist.

What happens when the different black groups meet on college campuses? Is there contention or cooperation?

The response of Onleilove Alstin, an African-American who recently graduated from Columbia University’s School of Social Work, echoed ideas I had encountered as a college student. “I think some underlying tensions exist,” Alstin said. “If you go on your average campus it may seem that the black students are very united and for the most part they are. But some tensions arise between the groups when people who are of African descent try to stereotype African-Americans based on what the dominant culture thinks.”
Alstin said those negative stereotypes include beliefs that African-Americans are lazy and unproductive, and do not value education. In response, immigrant blacks often try to distance themselves from these stereotypes. But Alstin points out that there’s a common struggle of being a person of African descent in a majority non-black country. Blacks in America , no matter their heritage, still face systematic racism, poverty and violence.
Professor Brown has found that over time, as immigrant black students mix with African American students on campus a new community often builds. “My students are very candid and they talk about narratives that were told to them by their parents. Well, you often hear, ‘My parents said this about African-Americans, stay away from them,’ all the pejorative stereotypes,” Brown told me. “The opportunity to socialize with native born African-Americans in a competitive environment as peers helps to mitigate and demystify many of those stereotypes.”

http://fi2w.org/2011/07/07/podcast-the-complex-relationship-between-immigrant-blacks-and-african-americans-on-college-campuses/

[Tropicana]

Here is another one:

That scholarly phrasing may not do justice to the tensions raised by such issues. In 2003, at a reunion of black alumni of Harvard University, Lani Guinier, a law professor, was quoted by The Boston Globe as raising the question of whether black students who are“voluntary immigrants” should be the beneficiaries of affirmative action.

"If you look around Harvard College today, how many young people will you find who grew up in urban environments and went to public high schools and public junior high schools?" she said. "I don't think, in the name of affirmative action, we should be admitting people because they look like us, but then they don't identify with us."

Interesting comment related to what is supposedly a non-issue.


This issue was raised as far back as 1993. The impact of Latino immigration was discussed too.

Immigration Undoing Affirmative Action’s Benefit for Blacks

December 19, 1993
c. 1993 Newhouse
Immigration is undoing affirmative action’s goal of righting history by helping blacks.
In the nearly 30 years since affirmative action was born, massive Latino and Asian immigration has transformed the United States from a nation in which nearly three-quarters of the minority population was black, to one in which less than half that population is black.
And the moment these new minority immigrants set foot in the United States in search of a better life, they have the same claim to affirmative action as native-born blacks whose ancestors struggled through slavery and segregation.
It is a wholly unintended, largely undebated and virtually unreported phenomenon that goes to the guts of U.S. race and immigration policy. It threatens the social peace in cities like New York, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles, and there appears no practical escape.
“It’s the ultimate nightmare of affirmative action,” said Ricky Gaull Silberman, vice chairman of the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. “It is its Achilles’ heel.”
More than that, it is a public and social policy that, assimilation be damned, encourages Americans, both immigrant and native-born, to identify themselves by race and ancestry and even, in the extreme, to pick up and move to where that identity serves them best.
And it has fed and nurtured a new vision of affirmative action that has largely shed its claim to historical redress in favor of a straightforward demand for proportional representation. This is especially the case in cities where the majority is no longer white and does not feel guilty.
It is a rougher, cruder affirmative action in which numbers are power, in which immigrants provide the numbers and in which blacks ultimately lose.
In ways both subtle and plain, it is a turn of events that greases the displacement of blacks by immigrants in jobs from hotels to construction. It invites immigrant entrepreneurs to cash in on minority-preference contracts and allows colleges to count their success with other minorities to fudge their failure with blacks.
There are no national surveys to prove this phenomenon, but in some of the nation’s largest cities it is significantly transforming affirmative action into a weapon that Latinos especially can wield in demanding a larger share of public sector jobs, jobs that have been the bedrock of the black middle class.
“They’re trying to siphon off all our gains,” said Mamie Grant, whose battle cry as head of the organization representing black city workers in Los Angeles is, “Whatever happened to merit?”
“I’m not in favor of affirmative action,” said Grant. “It shuts blacks out.”
“When you think of affirmative action you think of black and white,” said Clyde Johnson, Grant’s counterpart representing black county workers in Los Angeles. “All the laws really were directed specifically at eliminating patterns of discrimination against blacks.
“All the others are latecomers and bandwagon jumpers.”
But to others, that’s the bile and bitterness of blacks who think they have an exclusive franchise on civil rights, who are unwilling to accept that their days as the United States’ pre-eminent minority are numbered.
“Nobody can really compete with 400 years of slavery,” said Xavier Hermosillo, a Latino activist and talk radio host in Los Angeles. “They’ve got the lock on worst history of oppression by an ethnic minority.”
“But,” said Hermosillo, an ally of Los Angeles’ Republican mayor Richard Riordan, “it depends on how you view affirmative action. If you view it as a never-ending wheel of fortune in which blacks come up a winner on every spin, then I’ve got a problem with that. If you view affirmative action as a tool for allowing everybody the opportunity to participate, than I find that very acceptable.”
And that “everybody” in Los Angeles these days is mostly immigrants, where the Latino population has quadrupled since the dawn of affirmative action.
“They shall overcome,” said Hermosillo. “We shall overwhelm.”
In fact, early in the next century, according to census projections, immigration will push Latinos past blacks as the United States’ largest minority.
In the tinderbox that is Los Angeles, this interplay of immigration and affirmative action is like a lit match. But it is also stoking smoldering inter-minority conflicts in other big-immigration cities where black fortunes likewise rest heavily on the public sector.
In 1991, almost 30% of blacks employed in Miami-Dade County worked for the government (the same in Los Angeles County), according to Thomas Muller, author of “Immigrants and the American City.”
In New York City, nearly 40% of the more than a half million government jobs are held by blacks, though they are only about a quarter of the employed labor force.
“It makes sense for blacks to feel if there is any room made it’s going to come out of their hide,” said Angelo Falcon, who heads the Institute for Puerto Rican Policy in New York.
In Chicago, blacks outnumber Latinos in the population by 2-to-1, but in the city workforce by nearly 4-to-1.
In these cities and others, like Houston and Dallas, the exploding Latino immigrant population, and the inclusion of these immigrants in setting affirmative action targets – using census numbers that include both legal and illegal immigrants – threaten blacks’ generous share of government jobs.
Something has to give.
Either blacks must surrender their disproportionate claim to public sector jobs or Latinos must settle for less than their proportional share. Or whites must be willing, in the interests of inter-minority peace, to see their share of jobs dwindle well below their numbers in the population.
In fact, in 12 of the United States’ 20 largest cities, whites are the new minority, and in the parlance of affirmative action, the only “unprotected” minority.
The result is some new and unsettling demographic dynamics.
In a majority-minority city in which the population is driven by immigration and the politics by affirmative action, it becomes a rational act for a white interested in becoming a policeman, a firefighter or other city worker to skip town for whiter pastures. Indeed, it makes sense for job-seekers of any race or ancestry to settle where the population of others like them is large and growing.

And it means that in Los Angeles, for example, Latino power is enhanced by unrestricted imm

The irony in all of this, according to Cornell labor economist Vernon Briggs Jr., is that the same black civil rights movement that led to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Lyndon Johnson’s executive order on affirmative action in 1965, also inspired the Immigration Act of 1965, which for the first time swung the door wide open to immigration from Asia and Latin America.Now, he said, nearly 30 years later, it is those immigrants who are benefitting from that civil rights struggle at the expense of native-born blacks.
“It is immigration as a tool of institutional racism,” said Briggs.

[Tropicana]

yuh need fe chatt to more oyinbo

Missed this ridiculous comment....are you flippin kidding me? I grew up in a community with mostly White and a lot of Asian families. I have likely chatted to more White people than just about anybody on the board...with the exception of those who were raised under similar circumstances.....Emperah and Nunya come to mind and there are a couple of others.

[RichD]

[Tropicana]

[blugiant]

Missed this ridiculous comment....are you flippin kidding me? I grew up in a community with mostly White and a lot of Asian families. I have likely chatted to more White people than just about anybody on the board...with the exception of those who were raised under similar circumstances.....Emperah and Nunya come to mind and there are a couple of others.

ave no doubt yuh chatt to more oyinbo dan mii. mii natt simplee chattinn bout talkinn to oyinbo. mii mean ave da kind aff communication wey oyinbo feel comfartable widd yuh fe chatt bout tings den nuh feel comfortable widd blakk bout. dat y mii can chatt bout oyinbo dissinn oyinbo immigrants, dat y mii caan chatt bout jews chattinn addar jews. iff yuh pay attenshan pon yah yuh wood see sum oyinbo feel more comfartable chattinn widd mii dan yuh even dough dem kno mii bunn fiyah pon oyinbo ann racism

[blugiant]

yuh fraid fe tell tropi da trooth.

nuh mekk tropi cum sey yuh a coward