the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statement

[Blackstar*]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">that said, in Jamaica, standard english, IMO has been devalued.</span> </div></div>
Or rather patois has been elevated... </div></div><span style="font-style: italic">Actually I don't think so I think it is idiocy that has triumphed and Patois is just used as one of the crutches. In a highly intelligent society Patois who still be spoken and have place, as it was before the thing that has changed is the so-called intellectuals that have sought power, held power and have power over the lives of Jamaicans are largely the product of the Looney left leaning UWI. </span></div></div>
Those damn commies! LOL

I can't agree or disagree re. the looney left. I do know some bright people who graduated from UWI and I also enjoy reading UWI research published on the web. Rightly or wrongly, I also feel a measure of pride in the university as imperfect as it may be.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear more about the state of higher education in JA.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those damn commies! LOL</div></div>An insult to Communists...it is just that I have no better words to use to describe the unique Jamaican so-called Left that abhors all progress and mash dung every Intuition that they have touched including the UWI.

Can you point me to any important, groundbreaking research in the last 30yrs relevant to Jamaica?

[Dyoll_73]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statement

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....all dem odda 'universities' whe a come bout supposedly along the line of US model , doing exactly wat those ovah yah do....lower the curve an put out uneducated fools..dem ongle gauge u can raise di fees.... </div></div>

So &quot;dem odda 'universities' whe a come bout&quot; are not <span style="font-weight: bold">real universities</span>? And the US model is inherently bad? As a graduate of a fine one, I would beg to disagree. Only the UWI is worthy of the name &quot;university&quot;? Why, because they require that you waste two years of your life doing A-Levels? I certainly thought so. This sounds like some residual colonial mentality to me.

And the UWI - and this is the laughable part - doesn't put out &quot;educated fools&quot;? Believe me, I know lots of them. I myself, did a relatively short stint at the UWI. Not to put it down, but I thought the institution is over-rated. That's my opinion.

[Blackstar*]

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TG, I can't say the research is &quot;groundbreaking&quot;, but I have learned some interesting things - stuff that's not covered in US schools.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TG, I can't say the research is &quot;groundbreaking&quot;, but I have learned some interesting things - stuff that's not covered in US schools. </div></div>

Ok!

[Dyoll_73]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... in Jamaica, standard english, IMO has been devalued.</div></div>

I actually think patois is being elevated while standard english is being devalued. UWI intellectuals have been at the forefront of this retrograde move (forgive the irony). This reflects a larger kind of parachialism that will render Jamaica almost uncompetitive in a global society.

[Dyoll_73]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... I have learned some interesting things - stuff that's not covered in US schools. </div></div>

Like what?

[Blackstar*]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">... I have learned some interesting things - stuff that's not covered in US schools.</span> </div></div>
<span style="font-style: italic">Like what? </span></div></div>
Mona Online Research Database

[Dyoll_73]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">... I have learned some interesting things - stuff that's not covered in US schools.</span> </div></div>
<span style="font-style: italic">Like what? </span></div></div>
Mona Online Research Database </div></div>

It seems they do quite a lot of research. However, I'm not able to view them. A few of the links don't work, and only abstracts are provided. I suppose I would have to buy the books or subscribe to the journals in order to look at the research. Is the research relevant to the needs of Jamaica? Are the recommendations implemented? I have a feeling they are not. Knowledge serves no purpose if it cannot be applied.

But again, what were you referring specifically that wasn't covered in US schools?

[Tuff Gong]

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Just think of all the bad things that have happened over the last 30 years in Jamaica <span style="font-style: italic">(only because not many good things to draw on)</span>, where is the UWI in all of this...answer front and center!

[evanovitch]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those damn commies! LOL</div></div>An insult to Communists...it is just that I have no better words to use to describe the unique Jamaican so-called Left that abhors all progress and mash dung every Intuition that they have touched including the UWI.

Can you point me to any important, groundbreaking research in the last 30yrs relevant to Jamaica?
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how often do u research the university press and its offerings TG?

[evanovitch]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just think of all the bad things that have happened over the last 30 years in Jamaica <span style="font-style: italic">(only because not many good things to draw on)</span>, where is the UWI in all of this...answer front and center! </div></div>

so u saying dat Irvine Hall incubated and hatched the cohorts of ur faverite period TG? is dat the gagging point fi u star

[Tuff Gong]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just think of all the bad things that have happened over the last 30 years in Jamaica <span style="font-style: italic">(only because not many good things to draw on)</span>, where is the UWI in all of this...answer front and center! </div></div>

so u saying dat Irvine Hall incubated and hatched the cohorts of ur faverite period TG? is dat the gagging point fi u star </div></div>....incubated, hatched, disseminated and promoted.

[evanovitch]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just think of all the bad things that have happened over the last 30 years in Jamaica <span style="font-style: italic">(only because not many good things to draw on)</span>, where is the UWI in all of this...answer front and center! </div></div>

so u saying dat Irvine Hall incubated and hatched the cohorts of ur faverite period TG? is dat the gagging point fi u star </div></div>....incubated, hatched, disseminated and promoted. </div></div>

but dat no mean dat di University no ha merit TG....the zeal of those of dat period , played a part in some movement in Ja society....the end result might not have been ALLLLL good , but it certainly was an interesting time an Irvine Hall was the place indeed....mi did juss love play grown up an heng out in dem midst....btw, wat happen to Scree fi one...him dead r wat...is long time mi no hear bout him...him deh a yaad still r him did eventually tek a 5 flight too

[Blackstar*]

Re: the nerve, gall and utter insensitivity of this statemen

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">But again, what were you referring specifically that wasn't covered in US schools?</span> </div></div>
I'm puzzled by your question as there are over 400 papers listed at the link I posted, the vast majority of which cover topics specific to JA and are therefore outside the realm of the US educational system.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Example:</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">Link to full text: http://eau.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/17/2/83
Journal, Article &quot;The nature of poverty in the garrison constituencies in Jamaica&quot; </span>