Slow start for Africentric School

**Nylah** · 12-11-2008, 02:52 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"our" so-called ppl</div></div>

Ah. I know this phrase. The test of being 'real' black people, is to support afrocentrism. I see. Talk about 'programming', backwardness. Idiocy? I see where some of the problems of our people lie.

And do you notice that the schools mentioned above - jewish, muslim, catholic - are religious schools. It's quite another to start one based on race. We don't take kindly to KKKs having their own schools. In any case, I don't have a high opinion of religious schools (and I attended one during my formative years - I had to do a lot of 'unlearning' since then). My personal preference, and the one I prefer for my child, is an integrative educational experience. That's my opinion. </div></div>

I am not against these schools I just find it curious that when aspects of it are questioned, the argument denigrates into an issue of a person's "blackness".

The fundamental difference I see is that ppl like Humano or xKs, versus others, is that blacks who did grow up with a sense of inferiority - however that was placed upon them - cannot fathom that other blacks never had the same experiences and thus their POV is false. (for lack of a better word at the moment)

**Andrewnaqi** · 12-11-2008, 02:55 PM

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nothing wrong with the integrated experience at all. But what good is it if the school teaches how backwards black ppl are?
How good is the integration if all other groups look down on your black child abd then they begin to look down upon themself as well?

**Andrewnaqi** · 12-11-2008, 02:57 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not against these schools I just find it curious that when aspects of it are questioned, the argument denigrates into an issue of a person's "blackness".

The fundamental difference I see is that ppl like Humano or xKs, versus others, is that blacks who did grow up with a sense of inferiority - however that was placed upon them - cannot fathom that other blacks never had the same experiences and thus their POV is false. (for lack of a better word at the moment)

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Humano and Xks have clearly stated they have not had that experience and have stated it more than once.

**Nylah** · 12-11-2008, 02:59 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Andrewnaqi</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not against these schools I just find it curious that when aspects of it are questioned, the argument denigrates into an issue of a person's "blackness".

The fundamental difference I see is that ppl like Humano or xKs, versus others, is that blacks who did grow up with a sense of inferiority - however that was placed upon them - cannot fathom that other blacks never had the same experiences and thus their POV is false. (for lack of a better word at the moment)

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Humano and Xks have clearly stated they have not had that experience and have stated it more than once. </div></div>

okay......not sure if you are just repeating what I said, or are trying to make another point.

**jah_yout** · 12-11-2008, 03:46 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"our" so-called ppl</div></div>

Ah. I know this phrase. The test of being 'real' black people, is to support afrocentrism. I see. Talk about 'programming', backwardness. Idiocy? I see where some of the problems of our people lie.

And do you notice that the schools mentioned above - jewish, muslim, catholic - are religious schools. It's quite another to start one based on race. We don't take kindly to KKKs having their own schools. In any case, I don't have a high opinion of religious schools (and I attended one during my formative years - I had to do a lot of 'unlearning' since then). My personal preference, and the one I prefer for my child, is an integrative educational experience. That's my opinion. </div></div>

it is just plain silly to bring up the kkk having schools in this reasoning...the kkk was established as a terrorist anti-black hate group...africentrism is just dealing with people descended from africa- it doesn't have anything to do with hating white people; teaching your own kind how to be better does not mean hating white people...as far as your feeling on religious schools, that's your right, but the fact is they are sectarian and they do exist (i see far more blacks in catholic schools than in any africentric school- and ethnicity is more relevant to your experience in north america (if you're of trans-atlantic slave trade descent) than religion is;
comparing africentric schools to kkk is beyond ridiculous

**jah_yout** · 12-11-2008, 03:53 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"our" so-called ppl</div></div>

Ah. I know this phrase. The test of being 'real' black people, is to support afrocentrism. I see. Talk about 'programming', backwardness. Idiocy? I see where some of the problems of our people lie.

And do you notice that the schools mentioned above - jewish, muslim, catholic - are religious schools. It's quite another to start one based on race. We don't take kindly to KKKs having their own schools. In any case, I don't have a high opinion of religious schools (and I attended one during my formative years - I had to do a lot of 'unlearning' since then). My personal preference, and the one I prefer for my child, is an integrative educational experience. That's my opinion. </div></div>

I am not against these schools I just find it curious that when aspects of it are questioned, the argument denigrates into an issue of a person's "blackness".

The fundamental difference I see is that ppl like Humano or xKs, versus others, is that blacks who did grow up with a sense of inferiority - however that was placed upon them - cannot fathom that other blacks never had the same experiences and thus their POV is false. (for lack of a better word at the moment)

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that analysis is absurd...
i guess we are wearing blinders...
we continue to ignore the reality of blacks worldwide; everyday they dole out statistics about how blacks more likely to this and have more of that & rae rae...
black men in jail anyone?
black men more likely to be victims of murder, aids, poverty, the list goes on and on...
you expect the mind of a child to counteract the overwhelmiong racist messages & images they see on tv & all media that their people are the worst...
it's obviously not a direct message but a slickly done subliminal one...and if jamaica was so immune to the mental slavery, why is our crime & murder rate (self hate) so high?
why wasn't it until the 1980's that we had a black prime minister?

the self hate is well engrained in blacks all over the world, yet so many of us opposed to trying new means of education?
why??!!

**jah_yout** · 12-11-2008, 04:01 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sagal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
"I think it's important for children to see positive role models who look like them, and unfortunately at the TDSB they don't have enough, if you look at the <span style="font-weight: bold">40 per cent dropout rate among blacks</span>, especially males," said Scott. "It's important to have these role models before high school."

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'built your penitentiaries, we buit your schools
brainwash education to make us the fools'
---crazy baldheads by bob marley

**Dyoll_73** · 12-11-2008, 04:11 PM

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Ok Jah yout, my mention of KKK schools (assuming they do exist) was only to make the point that, unlike religious schools, those schools were formed on racial grounds. This is the comparison I wanted to make with the so-called 'afrocentric' schools, nothing more, no comparison of educational content, hatred, etc, was intended.

Ok, so before things get ugly around here, let me just ask you - what exactly will be the content of this afrocentric curriculum and how exactly will the school operate. I hear you about it being about correcting certain misinformation about our history, instilling self-esteem, etc. Could you be as specific as possible, please.

**Andrewnaqi** · 12-11-2008, 04:19 PM

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I have no idea why people believe these schools will be about black only or african in content only.
How foolish would that be. They would get the same things required to learn in school but their history would just have more things in there about us.

What do you guys think they're gonna teach African math, African english, African economics?

I really don't overstand why people are so set against it when it hasn't been tried in "toronto" yet, but it's ok to let the current school systems turn us into fools.

X · 12-11-2008, 04:36 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the self hate is well engrained in blacks all over the world, yet so many of us opposed to trying new means of education?
why??!! </div></div>

its amusing how in order to effect influence, you find that you should bestow blacks like yourself as self hating. Simply because they dont agree with your POV.
if anyone is branwashed here.. well.. Your expression of self speaks volumes.

ironically, people like Humana/ Segal/ Nylah and the rest may seem to display more love and appreciation of self here, than you seem to be doing.

Listen. We have harped on the problem long enuff, and I definately will not prolong a fruitless tit for tat with a virtual stranger.
How about presenting some solutions?

considering that this post initially alluded to the afocentric saga in Toronto.. based of the littel experience that I have here (dont know how much experience you JY have here in toronto, but you seem quite knowlegable on the experience here of minorities), so what I would have proposed is this.
- A deeper push for a more diverse ciriculum in the traditional school. not only Black focused knowledge, but as wide as inclusive and practically feasible a ciriculum. In other world, a ciriculum that reflect the diverse community we live in.
- Culturally focused public funded afterschool programs. Give an example, based off the divirsity of my neighbouhood, interaction with people of another race/culture is quite common. An Iranian was chatting up to me the other day as we sent the kids off on the bus. He mentioned something to the fact that his boys hated fridays as they had to goto some kinda Farsi program after regular school on fridays. he went onto say his boys were born in canada, but he enrolls them into this Farsi after school program so that they will learn his culture and the language of their motherland. This would also contribute to making it easier for him to relate to his sons.
At this point i though.. why dont we as Jamaicans for example have that kinda programs
How about using the funding to create and promote more community programs geared towards the cuture you wish your kid to be exposed to.. (Jamaican/ trinidadian, African, or all of the above).

As far as I knew, secondary/high school was for academics.. thats where you goto learn stuff that 95% of you'll never use again in your lifetime.. (a mean who here crammed to learn about the Ameoba and the Spirogyra.. Cummulus and Nimbus Stratus clouds and the lot and NEVER repeated the terms once since dem left the CXC exam??.. well unless dem cussing smaddy and a tell dem seh dem fava Spirogyra ).

Mi sincerely hope the reliance on the system to teach kids work.. cause something ahs to be done. But pon a personal take, its all up to parenting in disya NA society. parents really hafi get involved when it come onto teaching their kids about sense of self, and leave the schools to deal with the academics.

JY as fi hate of self and love of self and hate of black people and love of black people.. You can tyoe and seh what u wish, but mi gaurantee yuh seh when it comes down to it, many here that dont buy into the afrocentric deal love themselves and black people much more that you seem to.

We dont hafi agree with each other all di while bredren. A hope u find what u looking for in the system doe.

**jah_yout** · 12-11-2008, 04:38 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok Jah yout, my mention of KKK schools (assuming they do exist) was only to make the point that, unlike religious schools, those schools were formed on racial grounds. This is the comparison I wanted to make with the so-called 'afrocentric' schools, nothing more, no comparison of educational content, hatred, etc, was intended.

Ok, so before things get ugly around here, let me just ask you - what exactly will be the content of this afrocentric curriculum and how exactly will the school operate. I hear you about it being about correcting certain misinformation about our history, instilling self-esteem, etc. Could you be as specific as possible, please. </div></div>

and again i have to say kkk comparisons are way off base...
sure it is based on race but the kkk is based on RACIAL HATE, and murder of our ancestors;
i doubt very much africentric schools will be wearing hoods and hanging anyone from a tree...
reading writing & arithmetic would be the curriculum as far as i know, just that they will cater to their target audience- black youth; so i assume they would not teach them that africa was a backward savage continent that sold their people into slavery, but it was ok because they got enlightened by coming to the west and being around wonderful civilized white people...
i assume they will teach them a more TRUTHFUL history; i assume they won't have textbooks of white ancient egyptians, thereby robbing the youths of the pride of identifying their own kind with a highly advanced civilization...(this might cause one or two yutes to pull up their pants over their underwear)...
i assume they will teach them that as a black youth they have a responsibility to help uplift their community as opposed to the current reality where they destroy the community & prey on their own..

the way i see it, black people as currently constituted are pretty much insane...
education is the key to turning this around

as far as how they would be run, i don't know the canadian system but i know here in new york they have arabic-themed schools, jewish schools, catholic schools AND eurocentric schools...
the jews don't romp with having their own schools- probably the majority of the lubavitchers' kids are in their own schools...

as long as they are not preaching hate or violence toward anyone then they have a right to exist & operate...
it's just sad that they will most likely not be supported by black people- have such a hard time supporting our own

**Dyoll_73** · 12-11-2008, 04:49 PM

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Give thanks, Jah Yout, for the response.

Xks, great post as usual. Excellent points on curiculum, culture, diversity and parental involvement.

One love.

**jah_yout** · 12-11-2008, 04:53 PM

Re: Slow start for Africentric School

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xKs_yaMaye_xKs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
JY as fi hate of self and love of self and hate of black people and love of black people.. You can tyoe and seh what u wish, but mi gaurantee yuh seh when it comes down to it, many here that dont buy into the afrocentric deal love themselves and black people much more that you seem to.

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i hear you bossman & obviously our views are very different on this but love is all i bring and correction is love;

it all boils down to the fact i can't count on two hands how many of my personal bredrin & sistrin get killed by other black yute;

now when i look around and see that this is mainly a problem in our communities i have to ask why...
apparently the education we are getting is not sufficient to keep us from hating ourselves/each other to the point where we are killing each other more...what is more hateful than killing?
also our youth call ourselves the n-word, a word that their enemies created to denigrate them...what could be more evidence of brainwash & self-hate?

the brainwash education we been getting is not stopping it so i say start some schools that will teach our young men to be men ; in other words go a little above & beyond just reading writing & arithmetic to IMPROVE the community;
i can join hands with everyone else & sing kumbaya once MY PEOPLE are lifted up from the sloth we are currently in...
our presence in north america is due to unique circumstances (kidnapping & capture & subsequent de-humanization by a hostile enemy) so it may take a unique education to reverse it;

p.s. those parents who don't want to send their kids to these schools don't have to

**Kurlie** · 12-11-2008, 04:53 PM

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<span style="font-weight: bold">ironically, people like Humana/ Segal/ Nylah and the rest may seem to display more love and appreciation of self here, than you seem to be doing.</span>

so because a person express their feelings on the miseducation of black ppl..they do not display love and appreciation of themselves. If that's the case..there wouldn't be a need for this topic.

Some ppl are/were priviledged enough to get the kind of teaching/upbringing of not seeing themselves of inferior and yes in Jamaica alot of us got that but alot of us branched out and lving in different countries and based on what I have seen and experienced in the US...a lot of blacks are miseducated, brainwashed and not because a person might get a "topnotch" education does not prevent him/her from being brainwashed.

**Nylah** · 12-11-2008, 05:05 PM

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if it makes you feel better to say this jah yout, then knock yourself out.

Once again, you make assumptions about what I am saying instead of just asking - but carry on. This is all obviously above my head.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"our" so-called ppl</div></div>

Ah. I know this phrase. The test of being 'real' black people, is to support afrocentrism. I see. Talk about 'programming', backwardness. Idiocy? I see where some of the problems of our people lie.

And do you notice that the schools mentioned above - jewish, muslim, catholic - are religious schools. It's quite another to start one based on race. We don't take kindly to KKKs having their own schools. In any case, I don't have a high opinion of religious schools (and I attended one during my formative years - I had to do a lot of 'unlearning' since then). My personal preference, and the one I prefer for my child, is an integrative educational experience. That's my opinion. </div></div>

I am not against these schools I just find it curious that when aspects of it are questioned, the argument denigrates into an issue of a person's "blackness".

The fundamental difference I see is that ppl like Humano or xKs, versus others, is that blacks who did grow up with a sense of inferiority - however that was placed upon them - cannot fathom that other blacks never had the same experiences and thus their POV is false. (for lack of a better word at the moment)

</div></div>

that analysis is absurd...
i guess we are wearing blinders...
we continue to ignore the reality of blacks worldwide; everyday they dole out statistics about how blacks more likely to this and have more of that & rae rae...
black men in jail anyone?
black men more likely to be victims of murder, aids, poverty, the list goes on and on...
you expect the mind of a child to counteract the overwhelmiong racist messages & images they see on tv & all media that their people are the worst...
it's obviously not a direct message but a slickly done subliminal one...and if jamaica was so immune to the mental slavery, why is our crime & murder rate (self hate) so high?
why wasn't it until the 1980's that we had a black prime minister?

the self hate is well engrained in blacks all over the world, yet so many of us opposed to trying new means of education?
why??!! </div></div>

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