uk more racist dan us

[CeaBee]

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is it in uk that they call the black players names like monkey etc?

(or is spain?)

genuinely caan memba suh is not a rhetorical question to try prove a point

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">soo watt oonnoo tink didd obama electshan mekk de us less racist dan de uk?


<span style="font-weight: bold">de way mii see awl mzungu racist </span>soo mii neva see de diffarance between mzungu fram diffarant countreees </div></div>


All white people racist? Come on Blu..the US is a much larger country, with a much larger black population. Whilst opportunities do exist in the UK, they're much more limited here, than the US.

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<span style="font-weight: bold">since awl mzungu benefit fram racism dem awl aff dem racist.</span>

y uk luv fe bann blakks wey bunn fiyah pon racist sinntinn </div></div>

Wrong argument. If a white person benefits from an institution laid down by his forefathers that does not make him racist. Look pan all the guilty conscience mek then go vote Obama. Black people benefit from that too.

[Bandana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
sah mzungu kulcha iss racist soo mii doan differentiate between good racist mzungu ann badd racist mzungu. mii juss lump dem. monolithikk ting ritelee ar wranglee </div></div>

well herein lies one of your major fallacies, so it's no wonder you have confused yourself into being able to say something so ignorant.

there is no &quot;white&quot; culture in a global sense which can apply to everyone who is &quot;white.&quot; So it certainly can't be said that the white culture which produced rabid abolitionists, for example, is the exact same culture that produced rabid members of the KKK. Traveling through this country, it is only obvious to me that the culture of NYC is quite different from the culture of say, Idaho, or Kansas. The culture of George Washington, which allowed him to &quot;own&quot; other people, would be completely foreign to the culture of my ancestors, who were basically serfs and tied to feudal lands held by others. Basically slaves.

Even today, this is readily apparent just in my own family, for example, those members who live outside of NY have a completely different culture than those who stayed. They went backwards, as far as the NY people are concerned.

Culture is a product of socialized individuals as they cope with societal stressors as they form groups and myth making to place themselves and provide identity to the group. It's far from a constant. The Civil War provides us with just one mine from which to pull information to show there was no homogenous white culture in the United States.

So, the only thing to conclude, is that you're thinking about this &quot;wranglee.&quot;

I think mzungu is the singular anyway.

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[tsophra]

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no Obama's election does not make the US less racist..UK been more racist long time now....and blissfully ignorant that they are..

[rudemonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

mii doan tink blakk peeps benefit fram racism cah itt underdevelop blakk peeps. dat argument onlee mekk sense wen yu cumparinn blakks to addar blakks. </div></div>

what do you pay for an orange? you think you really pay fair market price, or do you pay a price which is to your advantage, because you benefit from the exploitation of cheap labor.

how about your sneakers. you think you pay fair market price, or a price established on the benefit of Nike having enslaved others. it is the United States culture of consumerism from which you benefit- just as we all do, be you black white or whoever lives here, often people exploit their own self or allow it to be done as they have no choice, like a walmart town.

You exist presently in a nation which benefitted from slavery and racism, you can't escape that or divorce yourself from this, without removing yourself from the society.

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs_Ahmidis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neutral:
Aren't they more subtle over in the U.K.? </div></div>
Pardon me for interrupting, but the answer to your question, is definately yes.</div></div>
I disagree with Newtral. The uk is far more racist than the usa. I have LIVED in both countries and I stand by that.

How many black actors, sports celebrities, millionaires, TV presenters, singers, R&amp;B artists, doctors, judges, professors can the uk claim. Very few and token few in most areas. The uk is institutionally racist and they are very subtle with it. An englishman CANNOT stomach having a &quot;black&quot; manager, or boss. Having a nice house, car etc. &quot;Too much&quot; money in the bank = EXTRA suspicion if you're 'black'. The police force in this country is a joke with even the highest non white police ranking officer is NOT 'black'!! Yet he faces racism from his white colleagues. Those of african heritage in the uk are passified, not hungry for change and has no fight for change. They are comfortable being exactly where they are - at the bottom in comparison to the other races and cultures in the uk and they justify away their laziness to change the system or create an infrastructure for the future generation...

<span style="font-weight: bold">The african lions are tamed and passified and happy with the crumbs thrown to them from time to time.</span>

I am seriously considering moving back to the usa... more violent yes (in some parts) but far more advanced, modern and there is an infrastructure for people of African heritage in america. Non in comparison in the uk absolutely none.

No Sean John success to compare
No Obama success to compare
No Dr Dre comparison to compare - ( from the ghetto to international celeb)
No Denzel Washington success to compare
No Hollywood 'black' success to compare

... just plucking names at random here and I could go on for both male and female african success in america...

The likes of Obama will NEVER EVER transpire in the uk, the history of both countries are different. One fought tooth and nail to get their place among all the other foreigners who had a slice of the pie in the usa; the other is simply tolerated in an ENGLISHMAN'S country with the monarch at the head. The constitutions are so vastly different.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has taken what, 400 years for the US to elect a 'black' president. Black people have only been in the UK (in vast numbers) for 60 years - give it time.</div></div>

[Morpheous]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ceabee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it in uk that they call the black players names like monkey etc?

(or is spain?) </div></div>
Both including the whole of europe.

[jah_yout]

Re: uk more racist dan us

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ceabee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it in uk that they call the black players names like monkey etc?

(or is spain?) </div></div>
Both including the whole of europe.
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and parts of africa

some ethiopians &amp; somalis call other africans 'monkeys' at soccer games

[Morpheous]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has taken what, 400 years for the US to elect a 'black' president. Black people have only been in the UK (in vast numbers) for 60 years - give it time.</div></div>
Do you live in britain? Those of african heritage in this country are too pre-occupied with flossing... They hate each other too much to unite and create an infrastructure to change their circumstances and their children's.

The history of both countries are different. 'Blacks' in america had to fight, sacrifice and be killed in great numbers to reach where they are and realise Martin Luthor King's dream. 'Blacks' in the uk don't even have a comparison to Martin Luthor King to even initiate that process. Any american of african heritage who enters britain that the government feel may slightly get the people here thinking change their lives are quickly blocked, banned, arrested and deported! Regardless of who they are! The system tells the nation the uk is peaceful and multi-cultured living in peace, hormony and bliss and they don't want 'trouble makers' coming in their country to upset the 'balance' THEY have in place.

No, the glass cieling in the uk is very thick and solid. It has to be smashed/broken to make progress but 'blacks' here don't have the guts. They have their jobs, mortgage and car so they are happy with that. It's the next genrations problem... heck they don't even see a problem!

[rufian]

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West Indians in the UK dont need a martin luther king or a pacifier. You are doing a lot of discredit owing to a lack of knowledge.

[uswe]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs_Ahmidis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neutral:

Aren't they more subtle over in the U.K.? </div></div>


Pardon me for interrupting, but the answer to your question, is definately yes.

But there's a broader question? How many people would have been afforded
the same opportunities in Jamaica, that they've received abroad? </div></div>

slaveree argument diss. oww manee blakk peeps wey desended fram enslaved afrikkans wood bee afforded de appartunitee iff mzungu neva enslaved dem peeps

oww uk banned slaveree beefore us den still soo racist. </div></div>

Blu, you just don't understand. The point I was making, was that whilst
the UK and US undoubtedly have racism, black people still had the opportunity
to succeed and prosper, and many have. I then posed the question that many people
had been denied basic opportunities in Jamaica and had leave in order to fulfill
their potential. People have managed to succeedd inspite of the UK and US having
high degrees of racism. So Blu, Lets have more critical analysis, and less of the soundbites

[CyberPhobic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has taken what, 400 years for the US to elect a 'black' president. Black people have only been in the UK (in vast numbers) for 60 years - give it time.</div></div>
Do you live in britain? Those of african heritage in this country are too pre-occupied with flossing... They hate each other too much to unite and create an infrastructure to change their circumstances and their children's.

The history of both countries are different. 'Blacks' in america had to fight, sacrifice and be killed in great numbers to reach where they are and realise Martin Luthor King's dream. 'Blacks' in the uk don't even have a comparison to Martin Luthor King to even initiate that process. Any american of african heritage who enters britain that the government feel may slightly get the people here thinking change their lives are quickly blocked, banned, arrested and deported! Regardless of who they are! The system tells the nation the uk is peaceful and multi-cultured living in peace, hormony and bliss and they don't want 'trouble makers' coming in their country to upset the 'balance' THEY have in place.

No, the glass cieling in the uk is very thick and solid. It has to be smashed/broken to make progress but 'blacks' here don't have the guts. They have their jobs, mortgage and car so they are happy with that. It's the next genrations problem... heck they don't even see a problem! </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">I respect your honesty. </span>

Too many people in England are delusional and would try and shut down a person with your passion and voice. You can't afford to have your dream deferred no longer. You too powerful to be supressed. Catch the next plane out of that place. U don't belong there. RUN AND RUN FAST. Nuff respect and keep talking the truth no matter who try and fight you for exposing the hypocrites.

[CyberPhobic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Blu, you just don't understand. The point I was making, was that whilst
the UK and US undoubtedly have racism, black people still had the opportunity
to succeed and prosper, and many have. I then posed the question that many people
had been denied basic opportunities in Jamaica and had leave in order to fulfill
their potential. People have managed to succeedd inspite of the UK and US having
high degrees of racism. So Blu, Lets have more critical analysis, and less of the soundbites
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How do you define success? All because a person is given a job driving bus, pushing broom or washing bottles and pot and pan on a low wage a foreign and given a two by two &quot;council flat&quot; fi the 7 a dem does not make them successful. <span style="font-weight: bold">Read More4us posts again and let's analyze that</span> and no badda make this into a Blu gripe.

Just so you know, for every Jamaican who leave to make a better life, there were two who stayed and make a better life. Wheel and come again. ANd member say the topic in NOT about Jamaica.

[rufian]

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dis place jokey so

[uswe]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CyberPhobic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Blu, you just don't understand. The point I was making, was that whilst
the UK and US undoubtedly have racism, black people still had the opportunity
to succeed and prosper, and many have. I then posed the question that many people
had been denied basic opportunities in Jamaica and had leave in order to fulfill
their potential. People have managed to succeedd inspite of the UK and US having
high degrees of racism. So Blu, Lets have more critical analysis, and less of the soundbites
</div></div>

How do you define success? All because a person is given a job driving bus, pushing broom or washing bottles at on a low wage and given a two by two &quot;council flat&quot; does not make them successful. <span style="font-weight: bold">Read More4us posts again and let's analyze that</span>and no make this a Blu gripe.

Just so you know, for every Jamaican who leave to make a better life, there were two who stayed and make a better life. Wheel and come again. ANd member say the topic in NOT about Jamaica. </div></div>

You too fail to understand, success is for the individual to
define themself. I was talking about the availability of opportunities

<span style="font-weight: bold">I don't need to read nor analyze More4us's post again</span>, as I fully
understand what he said. I have no gripe with Blu.
This is reasoning, and Blu is more than capable of defending himself. As for
the topic not being about Jamaica, have you heard of the word comparison?

Go take your medication and go lie down in a dark room, and when you wake up, you might
have developed some self esteem. Over to you CyberFool