How should have the police really have handled this

[kia027]

Man was sitting in an area, waiting to pick up his kids. Apparently it is an open area but it was designated for use of employees of the bank. Mi noh know if there was a sign saying so or not but said area is in a public area..
Mall cops ask him to move and he refused. Regular cops called and dem start taser him cause he refused to give his name as he was not told what he was doing wrong.... He recorded the whole interaction with police.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-problem-is-im-black-video-of-christopher-lollie-arrested-and-tasered-in-front-of-his-children-sparks-outrage-9699506.html

Police dropped charges in July

https://tcdailyplanet.net/news/2014/08/28/st-paul-man-cellphone-assault-video-identified-claims-charges-dropped

Minnesota does not currently have a 'stop and identify' statute in place that would give police the right to arrest someone for not identifying himself.


“The teacher actually gave me a witness statement, stating that ‘he was calm, he wasn’t doing anything wrong, he was talking to them, and they just started assaulting him,’” he said.
Since then, Lollie said he fought the charges and because of the teacher’s statement and the footage from the building’s security cameras, all charges against him were dropped as of July 31.
Lollie said he couldn't post the video until his confiscated phone was returned, but that he also didn’t want to post it because it hurt to watch.
“It hurts, it really does,” he said. “Because no matter what — I could be the nicest guy in the world, talk with respect, I can be working, taking care of my kids, doing everything a model citizen is supposed to do — and still I get that type of treatment.”
Currently, Lollie said he’s taking his case to internal affairs and hopes to bring the officers who assaulted him to justice.
“[Posting the video] makes me feel empowered,” he said.

[My Looh]

All of this could have been avoided. The police did not need to know his name at that point. Instead of taking a confronttational attitude with him just talk to him like a reasonable person and he would have probably moved to a different spot.

Perhaps if he told his children that this particualr spot is where I am going to meet you after school then the cops could have said that it was OK for that day but from now on you need to wait for your kids somewhere else.

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Man Gets Arrested For Drinking Arizona Iced Tea!

[My Looh]

Land of the free!

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Shocking video shows moment black father, 28, is Tasered by white cops for refusing to give his name while waiting for his kids after school

Security called cops on Chris Lollie after he refused to leave a private area in downtown St Paul - but he argued no signs indicated it was private
Cops followed him towards the school and repeatedly asked him for his name but he insisted he had not done anything wrong
The video shows them forcing him to the ground, where he was Tased as school children and teachers looked on
The charges against him have been dropped and he is considering suing
But head of the police federation said he was acting 'like a jerk'























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Shocking video shows moment black father, 28, is Tasered by white cops for refusing to give his name while waiting for his kids after school

Security called cops on Chris Lollie after he refused to leave a private area in downtown St Paul - but he argued no signs indicated it was private
Cops followed him towards the school and repeatedly asked him for his name but he insisted he had not done anything wrong
The video shows them forcing him to the ground, where he was Tased as school children and teachers looked on
The charges against him have been dropped and he is considering suing
But head of the police federation said he was acting 'like a jerk'




A shocking video has shown the moment a father-of-two was Tased by police and arrested for refusing to give his name as he waited to pick up his kids after school.

Christopher Lollie, 28, was arrested after the incident in St Paul, Minnesota on January 31, but after witness statements and the video, they have now dropped the charges, he said.

Lollie was sitting near his children's school after working an overnight cleaning shift when a security guard approached him and told him to move because it was a private area.

Not seeing any signs indicating this, Lollie refused and the security guard called police, the Pioneer Press reported. As Lollie got up and headed to the school, officers arrived and caught up with him.

On the video taken on his cell phone - which he says he only got back recently after it was confiscated by the police - Lollie can be heard calmly asking why they need his name as he walks.

'Why do I have to let you know who I am?' Lollie asks the officer. 'I don't have to let you know who I am if I haven't broken any laws.'

When a female officer, later identified as Lori Hayne, refuses to say what he has done wrong and repeatedly asks for his name, he responds: 'The problem is I'm black.... I didn't do anything wrong.'

As they near his children's pick-up point, another two officers, Michael Johnson and Bruce Schmidt, approached them and can be heard asking him to put his hands behind his back. Again Lollie insists he has done nothing wrong.

Moments later, he is apparently knocked to the ground and the footage goes dark, but he can be heard screaming for help as he is held on the ground.

One of the officers orders him to put his hands behind his back 'otherwise, it's going to get ugly'.

He claims that police Tased him, put their hands on his throat and ripped his jacket open.

Police Chief Thomas Smith explained in a statement that police had responded to a report of Lollie trespassing in a private area and had attempted to talk to him - but he wouldn't cooperate.

In their report, police said Lollie had been 'actively resisting by attempting to pull his arm away' and 'began to forcefully try to shove past us as he was pulling away from us'.

When he was 'becoming uncontrollable', they used the Taser on him, the report said.

'They used the force necessary to safely take him into custody,' Smith's statement said.

Dave Titus, St. Paul Police Federation president, added: 'These three cops in the skyway, you couldn't get nicer individuals. This guy was acting like a jerk.'

Lollie was charged with trespassing, disorderly conduct and obstructing legal process, but all counts were dismissed on July 31 after Lollie's attorney showed the video and witness statements in court.

He told the Pioneer Press that when the police approached him, he tried hard to remain calm 'because I know if I do anything outside of these bounds, they could really do some damage to me'.

He said that it was heartbreaking knowing that some of his four-year-old daughter's friends and teachers had seen the altercation.

'One of the kids in the class that saw what happened (later) said, "When I saw them doing that to Allahna's daddy, it made my heart feel so sad",' Lollie said.

He said he is considering a lawsuit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737992/Shocking-video-shows-moment-father-28-Tased-cops-refusing-waiting-kids-school.html

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St. Paul police defend skyway arrest; charges dismissed



St. Paul police responded Thursday to criticism over officers' interaction with a man, including police use of a Taser, saying a video doesn't tell the whole story.

Chris Lollie, 28, said he was sitting on a chair in a downtown skyway Jan. 31 when a security guard told him it was a private area and he couldn't be there. No signs were posted saying it was private, Lollie said. The guard called police.

Lollie, of St. Paul, told an officer he was heading to pick up his children and didn't have to identify himself because he had done nothing wrong.

On the cellphone video that Lollie took, he can be heard saying, "The problem is I'm black, that's the problem. No, it really is, because I didn't do anything wrong."

Lollie said an officer later put his hands around his throat and ripped his jacket open. Another officer used a Taser on him, Lollie said.

Police wrote in a report that Lollie was "actively resisting by attempting to pull his arm away" and "began to forcefully try to shove past us as he was pulling away from us." An officer pushed Lollie against a wall to try to control him and Lollie accused the officer of trying to choke him, the report said.

"Several times I attempted to force his hands behind his back but was unable to overcome his active resistance," the report said. When Lollie's "resistance was becoming uncontrollable," an officer used a Taser on him, the report said.

Lollie was charged with three misdemeanors -- trespassing, disorderly conduct and obstructing legal process. All counts were dismissed July 31. Lollie said his attorney went to court with surveillance video from the skyway and witness statements.

Police had Lollie's cellphone after his arrest; he was told they were holding it as evidence, and he got it back after the court case was dismissed. Lollie posted the video last week on his Facebook page and, after hearing from people who wanted to share it, posted it Tuesday to YouTube.

When Lollie encountered police in January, he had been "trying my hardest to maintain my calm demeanor just because I know if I do anything outside of these bounds, they could really do some damage to me," he said in an interview Wednesday. "I really feel blessed I was in the skyway. If this had happened somewhere else, I might have ended up a little more hurt than I was."

The police department posted an item on Facebook about the video Thursday because "our community was speaking to us through our social media outlets and therefore we communicated with them in the same way," said Howie Padilla, a St. Paul police spokesman.

The statement, attributed to police Chief Thomas Smith, said police had responded to a report of Lollie trespassing in a private area and tried to talk to him, and he wouldn't cooperate.

"Our officers are called upon and required to respond to calls for assistance and to investigate the calls," Smith said. "At one point, the officers believed he might either run or fight with them. It was then that officers took steps to take him into custody. He pulled away and resisted officers' lawful orders. They then used the force necessary to safely take him into custody."

The encounter with police occurred after Lollie got off from working an overnight shift. He had been employed by a temp agency at the time and was cleaning at Cossetta's Italian Market and Pizzeria.

Lollie walked into downtown St. Paul to pick up two of his children. He couldn't reach their mother to find out if she'd brought them to day care yet, and he went to the center to see if they were there; they were not. Knowing they would arrive shortly, Lollie said, he was waiting for a bus to deliver them with their mother.

Lollie said he sat in a chair in the skyway. No signs said it was a private area, Lollie said. After a guard asked him to leave, he said he remained seated and continued to look at his cellphone.

First National Bank security guards had reported to police that Lollie was sitting "for some time" in a skyway-level lounge area designated for building employees, a police report said. A security guard had asked if he had business in the building and Lollie "refused to answer," the report said. He was told he needed to leave because the area was for employees, but he didn't, the report said.

When police responded, Lollie was "uncooperative and refused to stop," a police report said. Lollie told officers who were taking him to jail that he had recorded the entire incident, he would be suing and they would be fired, another report said.

In an interview, Lollie said he told the first officer who responded that he would walk and talk with her because he needed to get his children. He then started recording video on his cellphone.

"I don't have a problem talking, I'm going to tell you exactly what I was doing, but it shouldn't have led to, 'Well, let me get your ID,' " Lollie told the Pioneer Press. "Well, no, you don't need my ID. I didn't do anything."

Soon after, two other officers approached. Lollie said he had been calm when the officers surrounded him. His back was against a wall or ledge, one hand was in front of him holding his phone and the other was behind his back, he said.

The video went dark when Lollie said an officer put his cellphone on a ledge, but the audio continued. Officers can be heard telling Lollie many times to put his hands behind his back. One said, "Otherwise, it's going to get ugly."

Police said in a report that Lollie squared "his shoulders to me and was clenching his right fist as if he was getting to fight" and an officer grabbed his wrist to keep him from punching him.

During the incident, Lollie said, he saw his 4-year-old daughter's day care class walking by and initially thought she was there, but she wasn't. The girl's teachers and classmates saw what was happening, he said.

"One of the kids in the class that saw what happened (later) said, 'When I saw them doing that to Allahna's daddy, it made my heart feel so sad,' " Lollie said.

The officers involved in the case were Michael Johnson, Bruce Schmidt and Lori Hayne, who has since retired.

Dave Titus, St. Paul Police Federation president, said Thursday, "These three cops in the skyway, you couldn't get nicer individuals. This guy was acting like a jerk."

Lollie plans to file an internal affairs complaint with police and is considering a lawsuit.

"I'm not going to stop," he said. "They wanted me to lay down to begin with, but that's not the type of person I am."

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_26426299/st-paul-police-defend-skyway-arrest-charges-dismissed

[kia027]

Yes these cases break my heart. I hope he sues dem baxside and win nuff!!

[LinSkinny]

This is just one case. It happen to other people too, especially when you have border checkpoints 100 miles away from the actual border. Plenty youtube stars if you look enough. I too hope him win him case.

In the US, you do NOT have answer any questions. The police knew that and since him had him video and audio with him, they would never win in court. That's why dem drop the case. I'm actually surprised, them never erase the phone or accidentally drop it.

[kia027]

Know your rights?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-door-warrant-shut-guy/

[lonewolf]

08-29-2014, 01:41 PMMy Looh
All of this could have been avoided. The police did not need to know his name at that point. Instead of taking a confronttational attitude with him just talk to him like a reasonable person and he would have probably moved to a different spot.

Perhaps if he told his children that this particualr spot is where I am going to meet you after school then the cops could have said that it was OK for that day but from now on you need to wait for your kids somewhere else.

That's what I was thinking. But you and I are thinking like a non minority without an axe to grind.
AND I'M NOT ATTEMPTING TO INSULT ANYONE, BUT MERELY POINTING OUT THE DIFFERENCE AS TO HOW BLACKS AND WHITES REACT IN SITUATIONS WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH AN AUTHORITY OR THE POLICE.

My natural reaction would have been to explain my circumstances to the security guard of how I was there to pick up my child from school. In my estimation that would have diffused the situation and the police would not have been called. Keeping my mouth shut and refusing communication would have accomplished nothing but arouse suspicion of why I was there, and also in my opinion would have been perceived as confrontational...it's not rocket science.

So, now this guy has been tasered and arrested, and his child has been traumatized by watching her daddy go through this terrible incident. If communication and cooler heads prevailed on both sides, the incident would have been and should have been avoided. IMHO

[LinSkinny]

I agree with the cooler heads comment, however, this is nothing more than Contempt of Cop. The cop didn't like that the person didn't cooperate, which the person didn''t have to, and escalated the situation. I hope the guy never have to work again. In this day an age, the cops behavior is being promoted on many many websites. It is not illegal to film in public, but many cops don't like that.

[kia027]

All of this could have been avoided. The police did not need to know his name at that point. Instead of taking a confronttational attitude with him just talk to him like a reasonable person and he would have probably moved to a different spot.

Perhaps if he told his children that this particualr spot is where I am going to meet you after school then the cops could have said that it was OK for that day but from now on you need to wait for your kids somewhere else.

My Looh
The kids were being picked up from day care and I think the kids were under 5 years of age at the time so he would have to go get them. Perhaps there is no sitting area in the day care area outside the center.

The mall cop had said it was a private area, it was with a public indoor mall, with no signage designating the area private. The man refused to move so mall cop called the police on him. The man was very respectful toward the cops and within his rights to not provide his name. If the mall cop and the police showed him where the area was private then we have a different story.

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My Looh
The kids were being picked up from day care and I think the kids were under 5 years of age at the time so he would have to go get them. Perhaps there is no sitting area in the day care area outside the center.

The mall cop had said it was a private area, it was with a public indoor mall, with no signage designating the area private. The man refused to move so mall cop called the police on him. The man was very respectful toward the cops and within his rights to not provide his name. If the mall cop and the police showed him where the area was private then we have a different story.

Kia I agree with you. That is what I mean about the cops should have talked to him as a reasonable man instead of asking for ID and being confrontational.. I agree he was not being disrespectful to the cops he was just stating why he was where he was.