no Bible at the second and third swear in...ah sah

[evanovitch]

u haffi laff sometimes....guess one of the topics dat dem email to each odda, tawk radio hosts dat is, is the fact that the oath was made but wid no Bible in view

Beck went awn and awn about wat it says dat dere does not seem to be a Bible at hand in di Obama WH r dat none of dem even thought of drawing fi a Bible, wich i guess shows dat di WH is definitely in di hands of heathens an awn an awn an awn again

dang...how come dem naw feel di economic pinch...even Microsoft a cut bak so how dem so lucky fi still a find sponsors ...even di ones whe a get bailout, like dem car company still a sponsor nuff tings pon dem show....

[tsophra]

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lol..yeah we can see what ez access to the bible did for the former inhabitants..lol

anyways..Vannie I was just about to look for yu adda thread..

contrary to all the fuss that was made...me hear dem seh again dat the swearing piece nu really matta as far as the president assuming office..its the time (12PM) that matters.

[Dyoll_73]

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Even Obama must keep up appearances - in public, of course. In public, Bible. In private, no Bible. Good man.

I get the feeling Obama would have prefered to swear on a copy of the constitution instead of a bible, which would make sense: he would swear to uphold and defend the constitution, not the Bible. And if one must use a bible, then how about the <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Jefferson Bible</span></span>. Beck, I think, is a Mormon so we know which book he would recommend.

I have a feeling some of these talk show contracts may have to be re-negotiated in light of the recession and declining revenue of the stations.

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even Obama must keep up appearances - in public, of course. In public, Bible. In private, no Bible. Good man.

I get the feeling Obama would have prefered to swear on a copy of the constitution instead of a bible, which would make sense: he would swear to uphold and defend the constitution, not the Bible. And if one must use a bible, then how about the <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Jefferson Bible</span></span>. Beck, I think, is a Mormon so we know which book he would recommend.

I have a feeling some of these talk show contracts may have to be re-negotiated in light of the recession and declining revenue of the stations.

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mi coulda swear mi hear seh clearchannel in chubble , so hope springs eternal

[DiamondDave]

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the Constitution requires only that the incoming President take the oath....the bible is not a Constitutional mandate...

[jah_yout]

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anyone still think there is separation between church and state in america?

[Dyoll_73]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiamondDave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the Constitution requires only that the incoming President take the oath....the bible is not a Constitutional mandate... </div></div>

yeah, we know that. The other question is: are you likely to see a prez or prez-elect take the oath without a bible anytime soon?

[mountaingal]

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on a related topic, i was happy to hear bama acknowledge non-believers when im was reeling off the religions in im inauguration speech. guy's open-minded.

[Gen]

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you saw him yesterday answering an indonesian greeting ?

lawd finally a president weh travel and know sitten bout the world

[Dyoll_73]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on a related topic, i was happy to hear bama acknowledge non-believers when im was reeling off the religions in im inauguration speech. guy's open-minded.
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Yes, I took note of that too. He also said he will &quot;restore science to its rightful place ...&quot; Now let's see how he will actually govern.

[tsophra]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ins and outs of presidential oaths
The Constitution specifies the words the president recites, but little else
By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
msnbc.com
updated 2:36 p.m. ET, Thurs., Jan. 22, 2009
WASHINGTON - There's been a flurry of interest in what's usually a small detail of a new presidency: the oath taking, which President Barack Obama repeated Wednesday after Chief Justice John Roberts stumbled over the words at Tuesday's inaugural ceremony.

Here's a guide to the details:

Did President Obama become president at noon on Tuesday, or not? Or did the mangled recital of the oath prevent him from legally being president for a day?
White House counsel Greg Craig said, &quot;We believe that the oath of office was administered effectively and that the President was sworn in appropriately” on Tuesday.

But, he said, “out of an abundance of caution, because there was one word out of sequence, Chief Justice Roberts administered the oath a second time” on Wednesday.

It’s doubtful that anyone would meet with success in federal court if they tried to file a challenge to any order Obama issued, prior to his second oath taking.

What does the Constitution say about a new president taking the oath?
It says simply that he “shall” take the oath “before he enter on the Execution of his Office….”

He must swear that he will “faithfully execute the Office of President” and “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Does the oath add anything to the powers of the president — beyond those powers specifically set forth in the Constitution?
According to the Congressional Research Service, or CRS, the idea that the oath adds any additional powers might seem “fanciful.”

But it then cites a few instances where presidents contended the oath gave them a special responsibility to defend the Constitution.

CRS notes that when President Andrew Jackson vetoed the act renewing the Bank of the United States, he suggested “that the president has the right to refuse to enforce both statutes and judicial decisions based on his own independent decision that they were unwarranted by the Constitution.”

President Abraham Lincoln also justified his suspension of the writ of habeas corpus without congressional authorization by referring to the president’s own special responsibility, specified in the presidential oath of office, to defend the Constitution.

But CRS adds, “Beyond these isolated instances, it does not appear to be seriously contended that the oath adds anything to the President’s powers.”

Some observers have noted that Obama did not have his hand on a Bible for the second oath taking at the White House. Does a president need to take the oath on a Bible?
Not according to the Constitution, which says simply that he “shall” take the oath. It says nothing about a Bible.

Have other presidents performed a “do over” on their oath taking?
Yes. In 1881, after the death of President James Garfield, Chester Arthur took the oath twice. The first time was from New York Supreme Court Justice John Brady at Arthur’s house on Lexington Avenue in New York City. The second was two days later at the Capitol from Chief Justice Morrison Waite.

Calvin Coolidge, who became president when President Warren Harding suddenly died in 1923, took the oath from his father, John Coolidge, a notary public and justice of the peace.

He happened to be visiting his father’s house in Plymouth, Vt., when word arrived of Harding’s death.


Coolidge took the oath again three weeks later at the Willard Hotel in Washington from Justice Adolph Hoehling of the District of Columbia Supreme Court.

So a president does not need to be sworn in by the chief justice of the United States?
No, he does not.

Forty-one presidents have been sworn in by the chief justice, but eight others have been sworn in by someone other than the chief justice.


George Washington was sworn in the first time by Robert Livingston, chancellor of the state of New York, and for his second term by Supreme Court Associate Justice William Cushing.

The most recent president not to have the oath of office administered by the chief justice was Lyndon Johnson, who after President John Kennedy’s assassination on Nov 22, 1963, took his oath from a federal judge, Sarah Hughes.

© 2009 msnbc.com Reprints
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28794586/

[f0rTyLeGz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on a related topic, i was happy to hear bama acknowledge non-believers when im was reeling off the religions in im inauguration speech. guy's open-minded.
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Me too MGee!

They talked about Obama saying that on the BBC today. And I posted somethin about him saying that down in religion forum just now

[Pepper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on a related topic, i was happy to hear bama acknowledge non-believers when im was reeling off the religions in im inauguration speech. guy's open-minded.
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I am really curious as to how he became a believer.

His dad was an athiest, and his mom for lack of a better phrase was agnostic. I wish I remember where I had read about her beliefs. It was something like everyone should do what they needed to do to get through the daily stress of life. Chris, Bhudda, zen, etc.

I just wonder how he went from that background to being a member of an organized religion.

[Pepper]

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Ok I found it. Lots of contradictions...but that's Wiki for you sometimes.

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Maxine Box, Dunham's best friend in high school, said, &quot;She touted herself as an Atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue. She was always challenging and arguing and comparing. She was already thinking about things that the rest of us hadn't.&quot;[3]

Maya Soetoro-Ng, when asked if her mother was an Atheist, said, &quot;I wouldn't have called her an Atheist. She was an Agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books — the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Taoist scripture, the Tao Te Ching, Sun Tzu — and wanted us to recognize that everyone has something beautiful to contribute.&quot;[39] &quot;Jesus, she felt, was a wonderful example. But she felt that a lot of Christians behaved in un-Christian ways.&quot;[40]

In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father Barack Obama wrote, &quot;My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess... In a land [Indonesia] where fatalism remained a necessary tool for enduring hardship... she was a lonely witness for secular humanism, a soldier for New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism.&quot;[41] In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, &quot;I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known.&quot;[42] Religion for her was &quot;just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives,&quot; Obama wrote.[40] In 2007 Obama described his mother as &quot;a Christian from Kansas.&quot; &quot;I was raised by my mother,&quot; he continued. &quot;So, I’ve always been a Christian.&quot;[43][44] Also in 2007, he said in a speech, &quot;My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew. But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

[Tuff Gong]

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<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2209134" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight: bold">Why Doesn't Every President Use the Lincoln Bible?</span>
And other tidbits about the Inauguration Day scripture.
<span style="font-style: italic">By Noreen Malone
Posted Monday, Jan. 19, 2009, at 5:26 PM ET</span></a>
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Excerpt #1</span>

<span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">There are no particular rules on which Bible is used or how it's used for the ceremony. Up until Grover Cleveland, inaugurations were not BYOB—presidents arrived at the ceremony with the assumption a Bible would be provided for them. It's since become common for incoming executives to use their family Bibles, though a handful have opted for the Masonic Bible upon which George Washington swore his oath of office.</span>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">excerpt #2</span>

<span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">According to official records kept by the Architect of the Capitol, Teddy Roosevelt is the only president who wasn't sworn in using a Bible; he took a rushed oath of office in 1901 following the assassination of William McKinley. However, it's rumored that LBJ was sworn in using a Catholic missal aboard Air Force One after Kennedy's assassination. John Quincy Adams, according to his own letters, placed his hand on a constitutional law volume rather than a Bible to indicate where his fealty lay. Franklin Pierce &quot;affirmed&quot; rather than swore his oath on the Bible, reportedly because of a crisis of faith following his son's death. There are no known inauguration Bibles for presidents John Adams through John Tyler; in fact, there's no concrete evidence that those early presidents used a Bible at all for the oath.
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