fiyah pon selassie

**trelawnysmall** · 02-04-2009, 08:10 PM

Re: fiyah pon selassie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TSmall</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Originally posted by blakkgiant

Originally posted by jah yout

fiyahh pon blakkgiant;

hotta lava! </div></div>

sah watt iff mii didd ask iff selassie used jamaica ann rasta fii mute sum aff de criticisms imm faced? imm sey imm wass natt god butt imm came to jamaica wear rasta warshipp imm ann accepted diety warshipinn aff de rasta? a yu luv fe chatt sey imm wass de leader aff wan countree natt de leader aff wan movement even dough yu knoo rastafarianism iss a blakk movement </div></div>

How come yuh figget de pawt weh salassie tell dem seh him a nuh god, and dat dem fi follow jesus? </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">This is the same information I heard when BBC interviewed HIM. He was asked what he thought of the Rastas in Jamaica worshiping HIM as GOD, and he clearly stated they he did not know why they would do that, he attends the Orthodox church every week and HE worships Jesus Christ.

Here is another interview.
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HIM interview

Awwwwww let dem people dem alone to worship the man if they so choose.... as long as it's a docturine of peace it can't hurt nothing.

They probably would say this recording is fake.

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Everyone has the right to worship whom ever they choose, that was not an issue in this dialog and I for one would never challenge a man / woman for their choice.

Twelve tribes worship Jesus Christ and possibly other Rasta tribes may as well.

I do not worship Jesus Christ as God, but as the son of God. That's my choice.</span></span>

**jah_yout** · 02-04-2009, 08:15 PM

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good read if one can find time:

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/ethiocrown/HaileIII.html

The small group then entered the palace and asked to see the Emperor. The palace no longer had throngs of courtiers and noblemen attending the Emperor's person, only the servants walked the halls. Debela Dinsa's account (refered to in Guenet Ayele's book "Ye Colonel Mengistu Tizitawoch" as "Dergue member 11" at a transparent attempt at annonimity) states that the encounter between the Emperor and the group of officers took place in the Grand Throne Room, but the film of the event indicates it took place either in the Palace library or the Emperor's study. The film is quite compelling. The armed soldiers stood in a line facing the Emperor, with Debela Dinsa standing at the center of the line. <span style="font-weight: bold">He stepped forward and saluted before producing from his pocket a speech which he read out loud to the Emperor. The letter was a decree of the Dergue removing Haile Selassie I from the Imperial throne and charging him with abuse of power, lack of compitence to continue to reign due to his advanced age, and the additional charge of embezzeling the money of the people. The Emperor listened to the speech in silence. Debela Dinsa's hands were visibly shaking throughout his reading of the speech, and his fellow soldiers, although armed to the teeth, seemed awed and nervous while the Emperor sat, regal in his bearing and completely silent. Once the speech was finished, the Emperor continued to sit completely silent looking at the soldiers. Debela Dinsa freely admits in his account of the event that he was awed and frightened in the Emperor's presence, and he completely understood the stories that even though the Emperor was such a small frail old man, there was something about him that compelled you to bow low before him.</span> ...

The new government sent deligation after deligation to the Emperor to demand that he return the "Billions" that they charged he had stolen from the people of Ethiopia. Over the months the Emperor steadfastly denied that he had secreted money abroad for his own benefit or for his decendents or for the nation. Some sources say that he admitted that a modest sum had been sent to Switzerland to cover the medical costs of the Crown Prince and the living expenses of the Crown Princess and her daughters, but denied that any other money had been sent abroad, but even this claimed admission is not clearly documented. The Dergue even convinced Ras Imiru to plead with the Emperor to return any money he might have taken. What the Emperor must have felt at his own cousin and the one person who could claim to be a brother to him being co-opted into this effort can only be imagined as he has left no record of this. Ras Imiru who had long enjoyed a good reputation in all quarters of Ethiopian society would now earn a serious blemish on his record for his role in this matter. <span style="font-weight: bold">When a sarcastic Dergue officer (some say it was Mengistu himself) is said to have asked the Emperor "Surely Your Majesty must have had some savings put away for hard times, for your retirement." The Emperor is said to have haughtily replied "Retirement? The Emperor of Ethiopia has no retirement. His retirement is death. Therefore there was never any need to save for retirement." On another occasion, he was accused of having stolen the equivalent of U.S. $20 Billion. It is said he wearily stated, "How poorly we have failed in educating you in math." For a country that in the 1970's when it's economy was at it's most productive since the begining of his reign in the 1930's, had a Gross Domestic Product of U.S. $2billion, it was a truely ridiculous sum. </span>...

With this act completed, the armed unit returned to the palace in the heart of the night and awoke the prisoners. <span style="font-weight: bold">One by one, 58 prisoners of the prisoners were summoned by name and led out of the cellars. When they asked where they were being taken they were either not given answers or told they were being taken to the central prison. </span>Some of them may have been pleased at being taken to the prison as that would allow their families to start visiting them again as they had done when they were imprissoned at the 4th Division. <span style="font-weight: bold">Others such as Ras Mesfin Sileshi are said to have almost immediatly commented "We are being taken to our deaths"</span>. <span style="font-weight: bold">The former governor to the Imperial Household, Blata Admassu Retta was removed from what his doctors were certain was his death bed at the Haile Selassie I Hospital in order that he be executed. The Eritrean born veteran of the war with Italy, the elderly General Isayas was also taken on a stretcher from the hospital to his execution</span>. Prince Asrate Kassa is said to have been loaded into the back of an army truck in a wheelchair. The selected prisoners were driven in trucks and buses to the Akaki Prison (also known as Kerchele) to it's Alem Bekagn (which translates with Finished with the World) section. <span style="color: #CC0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">Under bright spot lights, they were machine-gunned to death and their bodies tossed into a freshly dug trench nearby, their remains promptly covered by buldozers. On the night of Friday November 23rd, 1974, the so-called "Bloodless Revolution" of the Dergue showed it's true face. </span></span>The next day, the city awoke to the spreading rumor that General Aman had been toppled, and possibly killed, and that there had been a change of leadership overnight, but the population had no idea of the scale of the previous nights events. The author remembers peering at the remains of General Aman's house from the grounds of the Princess Tsehai hospital where his parents had gone to visit a doctor friend who lived there. <span style="font-weight: bold">Then as the people of the counry sat down to lunch on Saturday November 24th, Radio Ethiopia announced the names of the 58 ex-officials of the Imperial Government, complete with military, official and noble titles along with the names of Lt. General Aman Michael Andom and the two Dergue members who had died with him. As people waited to hear news of either additional charges, trial date or pardon, they instead heard the announcement that all of the mentioned had been executed for abuse of power and crimes against the people. Their "ceremony of burial" had been conducted and it would not be permitted for their family members to ask for their bodies. They had never had a chance to defend themselves in open court, as so many of them had been sure they would be allowed to do when they surrendered peacefully. Immediately a dark mood decended on the city as the horror of the day sank in. In a courageous act of defiance the widows and close relatives of the deceased opened their homes to mourners and their houses were thronged with weeping people. The wife of one of the Generals walked up and down the street in front of her house waving his ceremonial sword crying out to all who passed that her brave lion had been killed by "<span style="color: #FF0000">these girls..these cowards</span>" who had to tie his hands because they were afraid to fight him.</span> The women and children of the Imperial family are said to have learned of the execution of the ex-officials at the Duchess of Harrar's palace where they had been all confined on an upper floor together. One of Prince Asrate Kassa's younger sons had leaned out the window to listen to a radio being played by the soldier guards below when he heard the name of his father and other former officials, and then heard the news of their deaths. His hysterical screams brought the entire family running to hear him screaming "<span style="color: #FF0000">They killed them all! They killed them all</span>!" As the women and children panicked and chaotic hysteria began to set in, the soldiers rushed in and ordered them to be quiet and told them the boy had misheard and that all that had been anounced was the trial of the prisoners, nothing esle. The next day however, a Dergue member arrived and informed them of the deaths of six people who the Dergue had determined were Imperial relatives. In fact, the Imperial family had lost 11 relatives of various degrees that day. Prince Asrate Kassa, the Emperor's cousin, and Prince Rear-Admiral Iskinder Desta, the Emperor's grandson, being the most prominent family members. When the women tearfully asked to be allowed to visit their graves with a priest, they were scolded and ordered never to ask such a question again. Their is no public record provided as of yet on what the Emperor's reaction was to the deaths, but it must have been profound.

**Emperah** · 02-04-2009, 08:16 PM

Re: fiyah pon selassie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TSmall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="color: #33CC00"><span style="font-weight: bold">
Everyone has the right to worship whom ever they choose, that was not an issue in this dialog and I for one would never challenge a man / woman for their choice.

Twelve tribes worship Jesus Christ and possibly other Rasta tribes may as well.

I do not worship Jesus Christ as God, but as the son of God. That's my choice.</span></span> </div></div>

So TSmall, even doe Jesus seh wi nuh fi worship him why do you/we do it?

**jah_yout** · 02-04-2009, 08:27 PM

Re: fiyah pon selassie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TSmall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="color: #33CC00"><span style="font-weight: bold">
Everyone has the right to worship whom ever they choose, that was not an issue in this dialog and I for one would never challenge a man / woman for their choice.

Twelve tribes worship Jesus Christ and possibly other Rasta tribes may as well.

I do not worship Jesus Christ as God, but as the son of God. That's my choice.</span></span> </div></div>

So TSmall, even doe Jesus seh wi nuh fi worship him why do you/we do it? </div></div>

'worship' is a funny word...and 'god' is a mysterious concept...
as long as men live good and treat their neighbor as they would treat themselves, then it does not matter who or what they worship...some worship vanity...
some say they worship the only true god and are blowing up innocent people...

some say they are atheists and never harmed a fly...

at the end of the day all will be judged according to their works on earth

**trelawnysmall** · 02-04-2009, 10:20 PM

Re: fiyah pon selassie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TSmall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="color: #33CC00"><span style="font-weight: bold">
Everyone has the right to worship whom ever they choose, that was not an issue in this dialog and I for one would never challenge a man / woman for their choice.

Twelve tribes worship Jesus Christ and possibly other Rasta tribes may as well.

I do not worship Jesus Christ as God, but as the son of God. That's my choice.</span></span> </div></div>

So TSmall, even doe Jesus seh wi nuh fi worship him why do you/we do it? </div></div>

We, Dah Jah, may worship in different ways. I always follow my heart and seek knowledge, pray for guidance and follow that which feels right for me. I was raised a Catholic and knew from a very young age that the Catholic religion wasn't for me. Even though I went to church 3 times a week, coming from an Italian family, it never made sense to me. So at almost 50 years old, I study, ask questions and KNOW that my relationship to God, My Creator is a very personal and loving relationship. I respect all men to address God by any name that suits them, to pray and worship in the way that best suits them and I NEVER attempt to challenge that decision. I respect all God loving and conscious people. When you meet such a person, you know it. Where they come from, where they are going and how they get there is not for me to judge. I came upon studying Rastafari a few years back and sought out knowledge. I now know that are many different tribes and life styles within the Rastafari Religion. So be it. But I have reasoned for hours on hours about the question at hand with Rastas. Is HIM God, the Creator? I have openly stated my take on the subject. Bless.

**trelawnysmall** · 02-04-2009, 10:23 PM

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<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">at the end of the day all will be judged according to their works on earth </span></span>

I absolutely agree with you on this.

**Tuff Gong** · 02-04-2009, 10:25 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii knoo imm didd send missionaries to ja butt wat mii qwestian iss y imm neva send a latt more fe educate blakk peeps pon de diffarance between mzungu varsain aff christianitee ann ethiopian varsian aff christianitee </div></div>
They established a very successful church! I don't think the Coptic Faith is about prosetlyzing, especially in the modern era.

**rudemonk** · 02-05-2009, 02:18 AM

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nah man just kind of busy.

anyway:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope you aren't going to get into the gay sh!t with those gods. </div></div>

What gay sh!t are you talking about? </div></div>

all kinds of homo stuff with Set and Horus are in their myths...

**rudemonk** · 02-05-2009, 02:20 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">even the man-god jesus spent his formative years in kmet...africa;

before the story of the manger in bethlehem it was a cave in ethiopia </div></div>

and why not, since in his genealogy is listed african ancestry.

**Derek** · 02-05-2009, 03:45 AM

Re: fiyah pon selassie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TSmall</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">I do not worship Jesus Christ as God, but as the son of God. That's my choice.</span></div></div>

I pray to God and God only. If Jesus is the (sort of) Son of God then so am I (sort of). And I respect all God's Chosen Messengers: Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.
That's my choice.

**jah_yout** · 02-05-2009, 12:04 PM

Re: fiyah pon selassie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">nah man just kind of busy.

anyway:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope you aren't going to get into the gay sh!t with those gods. </div></div>

What gay sh!t are you talking about? </div></div>

all kinds of homo stuff with Set and Horus are in their myths...
</div></div>

really?!
any boogering?

**jah_yout** · 02-05-2009, 12:09 PM

Re: fiyah pon selassie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TSmall</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TSmall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="color: #33CC00"><span style="font-weight: bold">
Everyone has the right to worship whom ever they choose, that was not an issue in this dialog and I for one would never challenge a man / woman for their choice.

Twelve tribes worship Jesus Christ and possibly other Rasta tribes may as well.

I do not worship Jesus Christ as God, but as the son of God. That's my choice.</span></span> </div></div>

So TSmall, even doe Jesus seh wi nuh fi worship him why do you/we do it? </div></div>

We, Dah Jah, may worship in different ways. I always follow my heart and seek knowledge, pray for guidance and follow that which feels right for me. I was raised a Catholic and knew from a very young age that the Catholic religion wasn't for me. Even though I went to church 3 times a week, coming from an Italian family, it never made sense to me. So at almost 50 years old, I study, ask questions and KNOW that my relationship to God, My Creator is a very personal and loving relationship. I respect all men to address God by any name that suits them, to pray and worship in the way that best suits them and I NEVER attempt to challenge that decision. I respect all God loving and conscious people. When you meet such a person, you know it. Where they come from, where they are going and how they get there is not for me to judge. I came upon studying Rastafari a few years back and sought out knowledge. I now know that are many different tribes and life styles within the Rastafari Religion. So be it. But I have reasoned for hours on hours about the question at hand with Rastas. Is HIM God, the Creator? I have openly stated my take on the subject. Bless. </div></div>

well said;

man will continue to debate and reason on who/what 'god' is...
i am often amazed at the wisdom of the ancient egyptians...they expressed the power of god in so many ways...through the sun, through a woman giving birth, through the instrument where life passes from god to god (the phallus/penis), through the enlightened reign of the ruler, through the battle between darkness & light...
but certain fundamental truths remain right down through creation...
regardless of what religion one professes- they must admit there is a certain order to life and consequences for every action

**rudemonk** · 02-05-2009, 12:27 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">nah man just kind of busy.

anyway:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=monk]I hope you aren't going to get into the gay sh!t with those gods. </div></div>

What gay sh!t are you talking about? </div></div>

all kinds of homo stuff with Set and Horus are in their myths...
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">really?!
any boogering? </div></div>

it's pretty wild.

**trelawnysmall** · 02-05-2009, 06:40 PM

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<span style="font-weight: bold">"but certain fundamental truths remain right down through creation...
regardless of what religion one professes- they must admit there is a certain order to life and consequences for every action""</span>

True, true Jah Yout.

fiyah pon selassie

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