will Prez's $500k salary fi any bailout CEO work?

[evanovitch]

will it get put in place r will alll cite socialism an all odda kine a ism and mek a biggggggg ting of dis?

is it feasible that this could be put in place?

[RichD]

Re: will Prez's $500k salary fi any bailout CEO work?

what they shoudl do is set the salary related to profit and repayment of any bailout money

[RichD]

Re: will Prez's $500k salary fi any bailout CEO work?

oneintwresting stat i saw was that in 1980 the average CEO made sumtin like 80 times the salary of the average employee..in 2006 the average CEO made sumtin like 540 times the salary of the average employee

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: will Prez's $500k salary fi any bailout CEO work?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">will it get put in place r will alll cite socialism an all odda kine a ism and mek a biggggggg ting of dis?

is it feasible that this could be put in place? </div></div>They will have to throw that out in short order. No person with those skills will work for that.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: will Prez's $500k salary fi any bailout CEO work?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">oneintwresting stat i saw was that in 1980 the average CEO made sumtin like 80 times the salary of the average employee..in 2006 the average CEO made sumtin like 540 times the salary of the average employee </div></div> This is because Reagan introdiced destroyed the unions and they and subsuquent administrations pass laws that weakens workers right to earn a living, while strengthenning the managements rights.

It's nit the managent's fault. It is the laws on the books. If Obama want to do something he simply have to look on athe labour laws.

[Gen]

Re: will Prez's $500k salary fi any bailout CEO work?

like everybaddy seh, fire dem and post dem position and see if yuh can't find 1,000 applicants with the same experience and more to replace these overpaid teefin rats

in THIS ECONOMY

aye sah

[Pepper]

Re: will Prez's $500k salary fi any bailout CEO work?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">will it get put in place r will alll cite socialism an all odda kine a ism and mek a biggggggg ting of dis?

is it feasible that this could be put in place? </div></div>

well it wi mek dem tief out deh tink twice for dem tek money fi bailout

if yuh really need it, yuh wi bow, cause 500K is likkle bit a money fi CEO

[evanovitch]

Obama talks tough on CEO pay


NEW YORK (Fortune) -- President Obama is having his say on soaring executive pay.

<span style="font-weight: bold">New rules unveiled Wednesday morning will cap annual cash compensation for executives at firms receiving future government aid at $500,000. </span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">The guidelines prohibit payments above the $500,000 threshold in anything but company shares that must be held until the government's investment has been repaid</span>.

The rules will apply foremost to companies that receive so-called exceptional aid from the government in the future.

Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) and AIG (AIG, Fortune 500) are among the firms that have received exceptional aid in recent months, though the new rules won't apply retroactively.

Current rules bar such companies from taking a tax deduction for compensation above half a million dollars, but don't restrict how much executives can receive in salary and bonuses. In addition, the new rules will increase the bans on so-called golden parachute severance packages available for executives.

<span style="font-weight: bold">But the new rules will also cover the supposedly healthy firms that have received money under the Treasury's Troubled Asset Relief Program capital purchase plan, <span style="font-style: italic">unless the firms take action to be exempted. </span></span>

The pay rules come amid a fury in Washington over the huge bonuses handed out by Wall Street firms that were on life support before the government stepped in last fall.

Obama and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said at a White House press conference that the moves are necessary to &quot;restore trust&quot; in the financial system. <span style="font-weight: bold">Obama acknowledged that the caps are just &quot;a fraction of the salaries that have been reported recently.&quot;</span>

Executives on Wall Street made mind-bending sums in the boom years earlier this decade. Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), which received $10 billion from the government in October, paid chief Lloyd Blankfein $68 million in cash and stock in 2007. JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500), recipient of $25 billion, paid CEO Jamie Dimon $30 million that year. Both men turned down bonuses last year.

The tough terms on companies receiving future injections of so-called exceptional aid could force some execs to take some steep pay cuts.

For example, Bank of America chief Ken Lewis made $24.8 million in 2007, including $1.5 million in salary. Each of BofA's top seven executives made at least $700,000 in salary that year, according to federal filings.

Lewis declined his bonus last year, and according to news reports in recent weeks, the bank is planning to pay some 2008 bonuses out over three years. BofA was not immediately available for comment.

But BofA is certainly not the only bank facing criticism of excessive salaries and bonuses. Compensation survey firm Equilar found that TARP recipients with at least $10 billion in assets paid their CEOs $844,229 in salary, on average, and $2.5 million in cash bonuses for 2007, the latest period for which data are available. Total CEO pay in the survey group averaged $11.1 million, the firm said.

And the New York state comptroller's office said last week that New York City securities industry firms had paid $18 billion in bonuses in 2008 - an average of $109,000 per employee. That's more than twice the national median household income.

Obama called the decision to pay the bonuses &quot;shameful,&quot; and Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., introduced a bill that would cap annual executive pay at firms receiving government aid at $400,000 - Obama's salary.

Bank of America, which has sold $45 billion of preferred stock to Treasury and taken $118 billion in loan guarantees, came under attack after Merrill Lynch, the struggling brokerage firm it purchased Jan. 1, paid out $4 billion in bonuses in December. Merrill lost $27 billion last year.

But bonuses aren't the only public relations problem on Wall Street. Perks have also become an issue for firms that have benefited from huge infusions of taxpayer funds.

Citi, which is the recipient of $45 billion of federal capital and $301 billion of loan guarantees, was forced last month to reverse plans to buy a new $45 million corporate jet after Geithner signaled his disapproval.

Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500), which got $25 billion in October under the first round of the TARP capital plan, on Tuesday called off a four-day business meeting in Las Vegas after news reports tagged it as a &quot;pricey Las Vegas casino junket.&quot; Wells Fargo called such descriptions &quot;intentionally misleading,&quot; but still decided to cancel the event.


The tougher terms imposed on future recipients of exceptional aid are no surprise. <span style="font-weight: bold">But the administration's attempt to expand those rules could make truly healthy firms less apt to participate in future federal aid plans</span>. <span style="font-weight: bold">Dozens of banks have turned down TARP money in recent months, citing possible restrictions on how they operate.</span>

&quot;There's a delicate balance between imposing restrictions and making participating in TARP attractive,&quot; said Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs at the Financial Services Roundtable industry lobbying group.

Talbott said financial services firms have been taking action on their own to shift increasing amounts of executive pay to stock and other forms of compensation that align management's incentives with those of shareholders.

Under Obama's plan, some healthy firms that wish to receive TARP funds may still be able to pay executives more than the $500,000 cap. To do so, however, these companies must fully disclose their pay practices and, in some cases, submit to a shareholder &quot;say on pay&quot; vote, which would give investors a chance to vote for or against proposed executive pay levels.

The uproar over executive compensation and perks is predictable and is &quot;part of the cost of taking bailout money,&quot; said George Kaufman, an economics professor at Loyola University Chicago.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The news that former Merrill CEO John Thain spent $1.2 million on a 2007 office renovation after taking over a company that had just posted a multibillion-dollar loss is just one example of execs failing to appreciate how times have changed, Kaufman said.</span>
&quot;It just goes to show bankers aren't very clever people,&quot; he said.

[RichD]

Re: Obama talks tough on CEO pay

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The guidelines prohibit payments above the $500,000 threshold in anything but company shares that must be held until the government's investment has been repaid. </div></div> sounds good to me

[evanovitch]

Re: Obama talks tough on CEO pay

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The guidelines prohibit payments above the $500,000 threshold in anything but company shares that must be held until the government's investment has been repaid. </div></div> sounds good to me </div></div>

wats di interest rate on dem loans...hope dem get dealt di said way dem deal out dem credit cards....nuff interest fi repay

[RichD]

Re: Obama talks tough on CEO pay

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The guidelines prohibit payments above the $500,000 threshold in anything but company shares that must be held until the government's investment has been repaid. </div></div> sounds good to me </div></div>

wats di interest rate on dem loans...hope dem get dealt di said way dem deal out dem credit cards....nuff interest fi repay </div></div> im sure gov a gi dem di rates at prime

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Obama talks tough on CEO pay

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The guidelines prohibit payments above the $500,000 threshold in anything but company shares that must be held until the government's investment has been repaid. </div></div> sounds good to me </div></div>

wats di interest rate on dem loans...hope dem get dealt di said way dem deal out dem credit cards....nuff interest fi repay </div></div>the intrest rate is <span style="font-weight: bold">zero</span>

[RichD]

Re: Obama talks tough on CEO pay

prime

[evanovitch]

Re: Obama talks tough on CEO pay

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">prime </div></div>

now is juss how fi qualify fi one