interracial ting solution to racism

**barosa** · 02-05-2009, 05:12 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iss interrracial relationship de solution to racism? </div></div>

Brazil tried it wid their <span style="font-style: italic">whitening</span> policy...look at Brazil racial situation today, do u tink it was successful? </div></div>
NO! Blakkgiant, NO WAY!, NO HOW!; it will never be the answer or the solution. Brazil hasn't made it work in reality... The way GOD created the races and put them in their own spheres on this planet, I dont tink im expect us to racially intermix so we could ALL become ONE... Can you imagine if there was a commandment in the Bible that states : <span style="font-weight: bold">Thou shalt racially intermingle Multiply and Replenish the earth to live Lovingly as ONE???</span>... As it is now, Look at all the FUN & EXCITEMENT white people, America and the rest of the world are having now that Obama is president, if we were all WHITE or blended into another colour, none of this would be possible... Viva the difference!!
_________________________

Boy! Aren't we living in interesting times?

**Magician** · 02-05-2009, 05:13 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iss interrracial relationship de solution to racism? </div></div>

Brazil tried it wid their <span style="font-style: italic">whitening</span> policy...look at Brazil racial situation today, do u tink it was successful? </div></div>

Not sure what whitening policy you're talking about.

However I think that Brazil, with the majority of the population being mixed, there's less racial animosity there than in other countries where less mixing takes place.

**evanovitch** · 02-05-2009, 05:18 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix_di_PM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iss interrracial relationship de solution to racism? </div></div>

If the answer is yes, are you considering a fling wid a mzungu?

bulla </div></div>

if i must again i will:

<span style="font-weight: bold">Historical Roots of the "Whitening" of Brazil</span>
Sales Augusto dos Santos and Laurence Hallewell
Latin American Perspectives, Vol. 29, No. 1, Brazil: The Hegemonic Process in Political and Cultural Formation (Jan., 2002), pp. 61-82 (article consists of 22 pages)
Published by: Sage Publications, Inc.

**evanovitch** · 02-05-2009, 05:19 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However I think that Brazil, with the majority of the population being mixed, there's less racial animosity there than in other countries where less mixing takes place</div></div>

cant knock ur opinion since it is ur opinion butttttt

**Magician** · 02-05-2009, 05:20 PM

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Yuh gwine post a link or yuh want mi to forward a mi local library go look fi volume 29?

**Magician** · 02-05-2009, 05:21 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However I think that Brazil, with the majority of the population being mixed, there's less racial animosity there than in other countries where less mixing takes place</div></div>

cant knock ur opinion since it is ur opinion butttttt </div></div>

It is an opinion, but it's one reached by reading various books, talkinging with Brazilian friends and the vibe I got when I was in Brazil.

**evanovitch** · 02-05-2009, 05:29 PM

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an as a pilot i would hazard a guess at the level of the interplay in reference to dem social ranking in Brazil ...i.e. i could also state that tings in Ja r aok and all the tawk of hardships etc r overblow, ascawding to wat people i tawk to seh...

<span style="font-weight: bold">Almost blacks, almost whites</span>
Print Edition 134 - <span style="font-weight: bold">April 2007</span>
(Page 2 of 3)
According to Fernandes, the modernization process had brought the possibility of the non-effective realization of a racial democracy, since our model, like that of the master-slave relationship, remained dependent and peripheral. To discriminate, far from being the exception, would be a tradition among us. In the decade of the 1990s anthropologists such as Lilia and Peter Fry would return in a critical manner to the ‘myth of racial democracy’, especially valuing the concept of ‘myth’, since one could not believe in such a democracy of races. “Thus, since one can’t deny racism, one can’t stop talking about the singularities of this mixed society. Not only the biological mix, but the miscegenation of customs and religion”, wrote anthropologist Lilia. Racial democracy is a myth, there is no doubt. <span style="font-weight: bold">“But the myth guards an importance for itself, considering it (to) signals a collective desire, not part of other realities, where racial discrimination would not mind to manifest itself in a veiled manner. </span>Considering that all the societies articulate themselves around the myths of origin (such as the American way of life or Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, of the French), that of racial democracy would be only one among others”, evaluates Paixão. “In this manner, the intellectual context of the end of the last century went a long way; although it is no longer scientifically legitimate to speak of racial differences starting from the social Darwinian models, race, nevertheless, remains as the central theme of Brazilian thinking”, believes Lilia.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Wh</span><span style="font-weight: bold">en even the Special Secretary for Racial Equality Policy Promotion uses ‘common sense’ to justify racism, what can be expected from society? </span>

— <span style="font-style: italic">That was evidently an unfortunate declaration.</span> But one needs to dismount what there is behind common sense, of this talk that ‘flourishes’. Racism is always demoralizing. It hinders you from evaluating a person, starting from a physical formation, above all the skin color, or else that you attribute to skin color an explanation of biological order. Racism is always a perversion. There is nothing natural in it, it being a cultural construction born from profound social differences that divide us. I believe it correct to go back into history in order to attempt to understand and modify this panorama, to form a policy. But to call any type of racism natural is to make of history an ideological battlefield. There is no naturalness here. I believe that this can lead in fact to an excitement to hatred, and, above all, to something with which all of us must disagree, which is to transform the human race into an essence, a reality. It is not a race; it is a social and political construction.

<span style="font-weight: bold">How have science and racism historically related to each other in Brazil</span>?
— <span style="font-style: italic">Brazil is a country of paradoxes</span>, because, at the same time that we carried this tremendous pessimism, from the 19th century until the 1930s, afterwards we have been living with great optimism: race was always a talking point in Brazil, for good or for evil, as an element of evil doing or as an element of positive thought. This common sense, it has already been science, or that is to say, prejudice was already a concept. At the end of the 19th century, Brazilian and international scientific forward thinking stated that the mixing of races was harmful and that a country formed by many different races was fated towards decadence. Nina Rodrigues, from the Medical School of Bahia, was the harbinger of this idea. She showed, starting from the idea that schizophrenia, drunkenness, madness, including tattoos, were demonstrations that individuals were degenerate and that this degeneration would pass to the body of the nation. This would be a nation without a future. This vision was not only that of Rodrigues; we can find it in Euclides da Cunha, whose marvelous account is full of confrontations: the backwoodsman is imbalanced, a degenerate, because he is the fruit of races highly balanced and different. At the same time, he is also ‘a living rock, a hard rock’. Euclides da Cunha does not notice that, nor even why, this crossbreed survives in the end. Sílvio Romero, for example, has a sensational phrase that reveals the spirit of that time: “It’s necessary not to have prejudice. Men are different.” So, in that era, to have prejudice was to state equality. Now this has become common sense. In the decade of the 1930s there was an official exaltation of interbreeding as our profound singularity, the way out that Brazil would give to the world. Science goes on to de-legitimize the idea that interbreeding is wrong. Common sense assumes this too.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Do these theories arrive here ‘copied’ or do they go through an adaptation?</span>
— The movement in Brazil went in the opposite direction, because, at the moment in which the racial theories became the key word in Brazilian science, they were entering into discredit in Europe. And at the moment when the racial theories went on to be discredited in Brazil, this back in the decade of the 1930s and 1940s, in Europe they returned with force due to the Nazi question. The ideas, when they entered into this moment of Brazilian history, and in this social, political and specific configuration, gained a new dimension and inclusive within the new reading, a selection. In the end, one thing is to think of eugenics in peoples that are not mixed; another is the eugenics in peoples already mixed, those so-called race laboratories. What had happened here? A marriage of theories that in other places would’ve ended up in disaster. Clearly they are the theories of evolutionism with the most deterministic race theories, because racial determinism supposes what? There is no way to have a mixture. Evolutionism forecasts what? The idea that certain mixtures can be beneficial and others not. There is a selection. It was not a copy but a translation.

<span style="font-weight: bold">How can one understand the attempts at whitening the nation, by way of immigrants, the separation of races and other initiatives? </span>— This way out, via whitening, is an example of a solution à la Brazil, because it is not to say that Brazil avoided whitening. Clearly not, because there is a complete movement in Europe that forecasts the eugenics policy. But to be able to apply the policy of whitening in a context of already ‘white’ is different from thinking of a whitening policy in a country in which the population is Africanized. An emigration policy was requested. João Batista Lacerda, from the National Museum is going to participate in the Official Race Conference. At that moment, we lived in the context of Pan-Americanism, there is political suspicion that the United States will practice an invasion policy on our territories and Lacerda takes up, as the way out, whitening. He shows how, in a time period of one hundred years, Brazil would be white, through natural selection and the implementation of white immigration policies. To have an idea of the ‘heat of the moment’, Lacerda is considered a pessimist, since he speaks of a century, which would be too long for the whitening of the nation. This is without forgetting about the immigration policy implemented mainly by Don Pedro II. One can understand an immigration policy, but why white? The explanation is in the ideological racial content of this policy. There is, for example, a professor at the Medical School of Rio de Janeiro, Renato Kehl, who was in favor of the South African model. He praised the South African policy, that had selective migration, and white emigrants, and calls for a two-side movement. On one side the white and selected emigration, and on the other, he praises the sterilization of crossbreds. That is to say, the country of courageous racial democracy was one step away from social apartheid.

:http://www.revistapesquisa.fapesp.br...pg=2&lg=en

**Hugo** · 02-05-2009, 05:35 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iss interrracial relationship de solution to racism? </div></div>

Brazil tried it wid their <span style="font-style: italic">whitening</span> policy...look at Brazil racial situation today, do u tink it was successful? </div></div>
NO! Blakkgiant, NO WAY!, NO HOW!; it will never be the answer or the solution. Brazil hasn't made it work in reality... The way GOD created the races and put them in their own spheres on this planet, I dont tink im expect us to racially intermix so we could ALL become ONE... Can you imagine if there was a commandment in the Bible that states : <span style="font-weight: bold">Thou shalt racially intermingle Multiply and Replenish the earth to live Lovingly as ONE???</span>... As it is now, Look at all the FUN & EXCITEMENT white people, America and the rest of the world are having now that Obama is president, if we were all WHITE or blended into another colour, none of this would be possible... Viva the difference!!
_________________________

Boy! Aren't we living in interesting times? </div></div>

I agree. This will create more problems than solutions, and only foolish people would think otherwise. Blackstar you are so correct.

**Tuff Gong** · 02-05-2009, 05:37 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

The same foolish person who made the grand pronouncement that Jamaicans cannot discuss topics dealing with white and black issues because we are condition to accept white comes up with another dozy!

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">interracial ting solution to racism</span>
No one has said that.
No one else believes it but you fear it!
How stupid?

**evanovitch** · 02-05-2009, 05:42 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">The same foolish person who made the grand pronouncement that Jamaicans cannot discuss topics dealing with white and black issues because we are condition to accept white comes up with another dozy</span>!

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">interracial ting solution to racism</span>
No one has said that.
No one else believes it but you fear it!
How stupid?
</div></div>

but TG u r thought of similarly at times but u still reserve the right to come up wid ur own doozies....we all do an still engender participation....afta all, absent the avenue for even quick enjoinders, a post re the dedniss of di board wud be nex

**jah_yout** · 02-05-2009, 05:42 PM

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brazil?!
dwl...

those latin countries (have a lot of mixing) are some of the most racist i have ever seen

**Magician** · 02-05-2009, 05:46 PM

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The influx of European and Japanese immigration at the turn of the 19/20th centuries wasn't really a means to 'whiten' the country per se, but more of a rift between the Northeasteners and the Southestenters which did not sea eye to eye back then, and which remain distant to this day.

Northwesterner were viewed as lazy and backward and immigrants from Europe were viewed as eager to work and more efficient.

Wish I could find you some quotes now, but mi affi run.

Have you read <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">A Death in Brazi?</span></span>
by Peter Robb.

A very good book that explains a lot of the cultural intricacies of that country.

**Tuff Gong** · 02-05-2009, 05:46 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but TG u r thought of similarly at times but u still reserve the right to come up wid ur own </div></div>I don't care what you think of me. Why don't you post the so-called doozies?
You have that right, I am exercising mine.

Anyone who after so many decades of Independence is still fighting our motto is an idiot.
He is saying he is taking an issue with a factual representation and determining that we cannot hold a conversation about race based on our acceptance of inter-racial unions.

Now if you are stupid enough to sign on to that argument...be my guest.

**evanovitch** · 02-05-2009, 05:49 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but TG u r thought of similarly at times but u still reserve the right to come up wid ur own </div></div><span style="font-weight: bold">I don't care what you think of me. </span><span style="font-style: italic">Why don't you post the so-called doozies?
You have that right, I am exercising mine.</span>

Anyone who after so many decades of Independence is still fighting our motto is an idiot.
He is saying he is taking an issue with a factual representation and determining that we cannot hold a conversation about race based on our acceptance of inter-racial unions.

<span style="font-style: italic">Now if you are stupid enough to sign on to that argument...be my guest</span>.
</div></div>

ah such a fragile libido ....such venom an bile...who wudda thunk it 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

**evanovitch** · 02-05-2009, 05:50 PM

Re: interracial ting solution to racism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix_di_PM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">The influx of European and Japanese immigration at the turn of the 19/20th centuries wasn't really a means to 'whiten' the country per se, but more of a rift between the Northeasteners and the Southestenters which did not sea eye to eye back then, and which remain distant to this day.</span>

Northwesterner were viewed as lazy and backward and immigrants from Europe were viewed as eager to work and more efficient.

Wish I could find you some quotes now, but mi affi run.

Have you read <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">A Death in Brazi?</span></span>

by Peter Robb.

A very good book that explains a lot of the cultural intricacies of that country. </div></div>

u need to notify the sociology society of US universities and colleges cause dis is taught as the whitening of Brazil in dem upper level courses....

interracial ting solution to racism

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