for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

[DiamondDave]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mi always wonder bout di 'black irish' ting </div></div>

the term black Irish is uniquely North American...it's unheard of in Ireland itself...it simply refers to those of Irish descent who, rather than have the typical brown, red or blond hair and blue, green, hazel eyes, have jet black hair and dark eyes....one theory holds that these people are descended from a large crew of Spanish sailors that shipwrecked off the west coast of Ireland....altho that theory is open to debate...

and no matter what anyone says about Sinead, she has an <span style="font-weight: bold">incredible</span> singing voice

[gourmet]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

The Irish used to be called the blacks of Europe, and Catholic Irish people in the north of the country were inspired to demand their equal rights by the Civil Rights movement of African Americans.

[Bandana]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

lots of conflicting info out there on the origin of &quot;Black Irish&quot;


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the 1700s Irish protestants and British formed a vigilante military called the&quot;Orangemen&quot; to keep the Roman Catholic Irish subserviant. The Roman Catholic Irish countered by starting their own military called the &quot;White boys&quot;. Any Roman Catholic Irish that chose not to defy the orangemen or joined the whiteboys were known as the &quot;black irish&quot; of which most immigrated to North America. It has nothing at all to do with ones complexion, hair or eye colour.
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[gourmet]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

JAMAICANS ARE THE BLACK IRISH!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The English quickly captured Santiago De la Vega, the modern-day Spanish town, but they lacked workers to exploit their conquest. Barbados and the Leeward Islands -- St. Lucia, St. Kitts, Monserrat -- were already under their dominion, and from them the new owners brought manpower to colonize Jamaica.

And how did the Irish reach the Caribbean? For that we have to thank Oliver Cromwell.
Records show that the vast majority of the first wave was made up of young Irish men and women, mostly servants, bondsmen, or bonded servants. For all practical intents and purposes, this was slavery by another name as most, if not all, were not there of their own free will.

And how did they reach Barbados? For that we have to thank Oliver Cromwell, who in 1648 put down a rebellion in Ireland with such savagery and cruelty that his name is still today burned into the Irish psyche. In his own words after the siege of Drogheda, &quot;the officers were knocked on the head, every tenth man of the soldiers killed and the rest shipped to Barbados.&quot;

Cromwell drove Irish men and women from their home counties into the relatively barren and inhospitable province of Connaught. The soldiers and the intelligencia, mainly Catholic priests, teachers and Gaelic bards, posed a real threat to a new government. His solution was to institute a system of forced labor, which would also provide British planters in the Caribbean with a massive influx of white indentured laborers.


Hundred Greatest Men, The. New York: D. Appleton &amp; Company, 1885
Oliver Cromwell. He and his son, Henry, were most responsible for the Irish influence in Jamaica today.
According to Thurloe's state papers, &quot;it was a measure beneficial to Ireland, which was thus relieved of a population that might trouble the planters, and of great benefit to the sugar planters who desired the men and boys for their bondsmen and women and Irish girls in a country where they had only Maroon women and Negresses to solace them.&quot; Speaking from my own personal experience, I would say that the planters came off the worse in that deal.

Cromwell's son, Henry, was made Major General in command of the forces in Ireland. It was under his reign that thousands of Irish men and women were shipped to the West Indies. From 1648 to 1655 over 12,000 Irish political prisoners were shipped to Barbados. Although indentured servants (Irish included) had been coming to Barbados since 1627, this new wave of arrivals was the first to come involuntarily.

The Irish prisoners made up for a serious labor shortage caused by the English planter's lack of access to African slaves. The Dutch and Portuguese dominated the slave trade in the early 17th century and most white landowners in Barbados and the neighboring islands were unable to purchase slaves of African origin.

Numbers vary, but reliable estimates put the number of Irish shipped out at between 30,000 and 80,000 persons. In 1641, Ireland's population was 1,466,000. By 1652, it was down to just 616,000. The sword, famine, hardship and forced deportation all had taken their toll.
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[Bandana]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

I KNEW I WAS JAMAICAN!!!





<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gourmet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JAMAICANS ARE THE BLACK IRISH!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The English quickly captured Santiago De la Vega, the modern-day Spanish town, but they lacked workers to exploit their conquest. Barbados and the Leeward Islands -- St. Lucia, St. Kitts, Monserrat -- were already under their dominion, and from them the new owners brought manpower to colonize Jamaica.

And how did the Irish reach the Caribbean? For that we have to thank Oliver Cromwell.
Records show that the vast majority of the first wave was made up of young Irish men and women, mostly servants, bondsmen, or bonded servants. For all practical intents and purposes, this was slavery by another name as most, if not all, were not there of their own free will.

And how did they reach Barbados? For that we have to thank Oliver Cromwell, who in 1648 put down a rebellion in Ireland with such savagery and cruelty that his name is still today burned into the Irish psyche. In his own words after the siege of Drogheda, &quot;the officers were knocked on the head, every tenth man of the soldiers killed and the rest shipped to Barbados.&quot;

Cromwell drove Irish men and women from their home counties into the relatively barren and inhospitable province of Connaught. The soldiers and the intelligencia, mainly Catholic priests, teachers and Gaelic bards, posed a real threat to a new government. His solution was to institute a system of forced labor, which would also provide British planters in the Caribbean with a massive influx of white indentured laborers.


Hundred Greatest Men, The. New York: D. Appleton &amp; Company, 1885
Oliver Cromwell. He and his son, Henry, were most responsible for the Irish influence in Jamaica today.
According to Thurloe's state papers, &quot;it was a measure beneficial to Ireland, which was thus relieved of a population that might trouble the planters, and of great benefit to the sugar planters who desired the men and boys for their bondsmen and women and Irish girls in a country where they had only Maroon women and Negresses to solace them.&quot; Speaking from my own personal experience, I would say that the planters came off the worse in that deal.

Cromwell's son, Henry, was made Major General in command of the forces in Ireland. It was under his reign that thousands of Irish men and women were shipped to the West Indies. From 1648 to 1655 over 12,000 Irish political prisoners were shipped to Barbados. Although indentured servants (Irish included) had been coming to Barbados since 1627, this new wave of arrivals was the first to come involuntarily.

The Irish prisoners made up for a serious labor shortage caused by the English planter's lack of access to African slaves. The Dutch and Portuguese dominated the slave trade in the early 17th century and most white landowners in Barbados and the neighboring islands were unable to purchase slaves of African origin.

Numbers vary, but reliable estimates put the number of Irish shipped out at between 30,000 and 80,000 persons. In 1641, Ireland's population was 1,466,000. By 1652, it was down to just 616,000. The sword, famine, hardship and forced deportation all had taken their toll.
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[DiamondDave]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gourmet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Irish used to be called the blacks of Europe, and Catholic Irish people in the north of the country were inspired to demand their equal rights by the Civil Rights movement of African Americans. </div></div>

and Dubliners were called the blacks of Ireland, and North Dubliners were the blacks of Dublin....so say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud

I know plenty people who sang We Shall Overcome in the streets of Belfast and Derry City

[jah_yout]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

remember dem celebrate obama in ireland too

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[neutral]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

Having met quite a few irish people I have to say that a lot of them doesnt think much of blacks.

[jah_yout]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

most the ones i met in the states have been cool...one of them i work with love him brown sugar bad

[Derek]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

I just played this to a white guy in my office who's into Reggae.

He burst out laughing and shook his head.

[Derek]

Re: for blakkgiant: sinead o'connor 'marcus garvey'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gourmet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Irish used to be called the blacks of Europe, and Catholic Irish people in the north of the country were inspired to demand their equal rights by the Civil Rights movement of African Americans. </div></div>

The Irish even say Tirty when they mean Thirty.