bbc: "cleoptatra's mother was 'african'"

[rufian]

Re: bbc: "cleoptatra's mother was 'african'"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

And if a god was blue would they paint him blue?
You see what I mean?

Nice link:
Egyptian Art

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I don't know what God looks like. </div></div>
They painted their gods too </div></div>

From what they could SEE or from what they THOUGHT their Gods looked like?

That will depend on whether they saw their deities and gods.

[jah_yout]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are from the island now called Jamaica then you are now called a Jamaican. <span style="font-weight: bold">Just like Alek Wek is Sudanese and by ethnicity a Dinka and not a Nubian</span>. </div></div>

and sudan/nubia/kush/ethiopia also had dinkas as well as the other 'tribes'...they have been there from ancient times- same people, no matter what name people called the land...if i lived a hundred years ago i would have been called a negro or a [censored] ;
it doesn't matter the name given by men...i remain the same person- you can call me by my nickname, my given name, dread, rasta, blackman, bredrin, faada, i am still the same person;
so your reasoning is ridiculous to say the least;



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<span style="font-weight: bold">Location</span>: [<span style="font-weight: bold">b]The Dinka </span>are a group of several closely related peoples living in southern Sudan along both sides of the White Nile. They cover a wide area along the many streams and small rivers, concentrated in the Upper Nile province in southeast Sudan and across into southwest Ethiopia. [/b]

<span style="font-weight: bold">History</span>: <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #CC0000">Ancient pictographs of cattle in Egypt </span>give reason to associate the Dinka with the introduction of domesticated cattle south of the Sahara. Around 3000 BC,</span> herders who also fished and tilled settled in the largest swamp area in the world, the area of southern Sudan where the flood plain of the White Nile is also fed by the Rivers Bor, Aweil and Renk. <span style="font-weight: bold">The Dinka are one of three groups that gradually developed from the original settlers. Dinka society spread out over the area in recent centuries, perhaps around AD 1500. The Dinka defended their area against the Ottoman Turks in the mid-1800s and repulsed attempts of slave merchants to convert them to Islam. Otherwise they have lived in seclusion</span>.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Identity</span>: The Dinka are one of the branches of the River Lake Nilotes. Though known for centuries as Dinka, they actually call themselves Moinjaang, &quot;People of the people.&quot; The more numerous Southern Luo branch includes peoples throughout central Uganda and neighboring sections of Zaire and the lake area of western Kenya. The Dinka peoples still live near the hot and humid homeland of the River-Lake Nilotes. <span style="font-weight: bold">They are the largest ethnic group in southern Sudan</span>.

http://strategyleader.org/profiles/dinka.html

[rufian]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

So people from Zaire or Congo are Nubians too?

[jah_yout]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So people from Zaire or Congo are Nubians too? </div></div>

no...
that geographic area was not a part of nubia...nubia was and still is egypt's neighbor to the south

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nubia extended along the Nile River from what is now Aswan in Egypt to present-day Khartoum in Sudan</div></div>

[rufian]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So people from Zaire or Congo are Nubians too? </div></div>

no...
that geographic area was not a part of nubia...nubia was and still is egypt's neighbor to the south

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nubia extended along the Nile River from what is now Aswan in Egypt to present-day Khartoum in Sudan</div></div> </div></div>
So your conclusion is that people lived in the Nubia as it was are Nubians?

So Dinkas from Sudan are Nubians but not their relatives in Congo.

[jah_yout]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So people from Zaire or Congo are Nubians too? </div></div>

no...
that geographic area was not a part of nubia...nubia was and still is egypt's neighbor to the south

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nubia extended along the Nile River from what is now Aswan in Egypt to present-day Khartoum in Sudan</div></div> </div></div>
So your conclusion is that people lived in the Nubia as it was are Nubians?

So Dinkas from Sudan are Nubians but not their relatives in Congo. </div></div>

nubia/kush/ethiopia in this sense relates to a country and not a race; nubia was the country to egypt's south that they shared many cultural (and racial) traits with..
one can speak of a nubian/ku****e/ethiopian racially also, but that is not the context we are dealing with here..we are dealing with the kingdom of nubia;
of course dinkas from nubia are nubian, just as dinkas from congo are congolese...ashantis from ghana ara ghanaian &amp; ashantis from senegal are sengalese...
ethnicity is ethnicity &amp; nationality is nationality;

king tahraka of the bible was a nubian pharaoh


<span style="font-style: italic">And he heard say of Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, He has come forth to make war with thee. And when he heard it, he sent messengers to Hezekiah, saying</span>,
Isaiah 37:9

[rufian]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

So you are referring to a place and not even a people. No wonder the confusion when race is thrown in.
And why would you bring photos of those people today to show how they looked yesterday? tisk tisk
Why are you now saying it is the place and not the people?

Co-incidentally, in television there is advertising for Sunday's program on Nefertiti. &quot;There is no evidence just artwork from this world(Egypt)&quot; it says

[jah_yout]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are referring to a place and not even a people. No wonder the confusion when race is thrown in.
And why would you bring photos of those people today to show how they looked yesterday? tisk tisk
Why are you now saying it is the place and not the people? </div></div>

we were talking about nubia but unfortunately you attempted to throw a smokescreen by diverting it to congo &amp; other regions- as if that can change the basic premise of the nubian people...i showed you how they looked yesterday, today and tomorrow...because they depicted themselves in their art and we can see them today and they tell their own history as well; i hope someday you will get the chance to speak to a sudanese and hear it from their own mouth...they were africans then and are still africans now;
it is your right to deny africans of their heritage...but it is my right to refute you at every turn...
you are the one who brought up dinka; yet when i show you that they are sudanese people who have been in the region for thousands of years and have been depicted in ancient egyptian art as well as their own -you play dumb...
carry on;

bless-ed nubia

NOW


&amp; THEN

[rufian]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

me pity you

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

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[jah_yout]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">me pity you </div></div>

no need

if i hear about any egyptian/nubian art appreciation classes i will send you a link

here's a nice one

[Derek]

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[Blackstar*]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"></div></div>
Beautiful photo - thanks for posting it.

[Derek]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

Anyway, I always thought Elizabeth Taylor's mother was English.

[Wahalla]

Re: bbc: &quot;cleoptatra's mother was 'african'&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"></div></div>
Beautiful photo - thanks for posting it. </div></div>

yeah she gat deh greatest face on earth.... Talk bout art.. any picture af ar is art.. complex.. emotively loaded.. You are drawn in.. sophisticated.. unbelielable.. and a black yanqi ooman on here described her as ugli???????

And she walk like a cat.. but shi need fi nyam some more..... i beleive she may have circumsized....I listened to a program one on world service where she was involbved in a campaign agaist female mutilation.. she inna wan movie wid dat Djimon.. four feathers....