White Madonna with Twins is the name of this artwork. The madonna is from New York, the twins from Sudan. She's breastfeeding the twins in this image. Naturally, controversy has ensued.
Someone made a film about the artist's efforts to create this image. Here's an excerpt from the article:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Art Star and the Sudanese Twins simply shows the intense factors surrounding Beecroft as she makes her art – from her obsessive failed attempt to adopt the twins (which nearly breaks up her marriage back in the United States) to her insistence on photographing the children (which upsets Sudanese locals).
In one of the most poignant scenes in the film, women from the orphanage try to stop Beecroft and her photographer (also white) from shooting the twins unclothed in the village church.
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because this is art, or done under the purview of art, are the artist's actions acceptable? does it increase our understanding of our own perceptions of race, motherhood, childhood, etc.?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">White Madonna with Twins is the name of this artwork. The madonna is from New York, the twins from Sudan. She's breastfeeding the twins in this image. Naturally, controversy has ensued.
I get the impression the children are a fashion accesory... I thought that the spanish lady who picked up the sick African child on the beach did a humaniterian act.. this and the salma heyak act does not sit comfortable. .context....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone made a film about the artist's efforts to create this image. Here's an excerpt from the article:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Art Star and the Sudanese Twins simply shows the intense factors surrounding Beecroft as she makes her art – from her obsessive failed attempt to adopt the twins (which nearly breaks up her marriage back in the United States) to her insistence on photographing the children (which upsets Sudanese locals).
In one of the most poignant scenes in the film, women from the orphanage try to stop Beecroft and her photographer (also white) from shooting the twins unclothed in the village church.
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because this is art, or done under the purview of art, are the artist's actions acceptable? does it increase our understanding of our own perceptions of race, motherhood, childhood, etc.?
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Which actions? White women do adapt black children and they are not able to breastfeed them, that is if they are not lactating. But they wouldn't be lactating or they would be in the possession of children their own kind.
Or the nakedness? This stirs in the race factor because it is a true state of infants.
The photography does increase the perception on motherhood primarily because it overturns the context of mother and child that we are used to. It is thought provoking on race.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
didn't you post a quote saying sudanese are caucasians?
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No, I didn't
But me a quote this
"Get yourself a copy of a book on Objectivity"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">White Madonna with Twins is the name of this artwork. The madonna is from New York, the twins from Sudan. She's breastfeeding the twins in this image. Naturally, controversy has ensued.
what's the big deal?
according to sukuna those babies are caucasians (they're from sudan which was nubia/ethiopia of the ancients)
but what's the controversy? it's only art...
the presence of the black madonna all over europe is well documented </div></div>
do you equate this image with that of the black madonna?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">if it was the other way round ????</span></div></div>
do you mean, if a really dark skinned black woman posed with two white babies suckling her breasts?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I get the impression the children are a fashion accesory... I thought that the spanish lady who picked up the sick African child on the beach did a humaniterian act.. this and the salma heyak act does not sit comfortable. <span style="font-weight: bold">.context.... </span></div></div>
i agree that this whole thing is context. salma hayek defended her act of breastfeeding the crying and hungry african baby as the natural reaction of a mother who herself was just weaning her own child.
in the image above, the artist is trying to make a statement. not sure about what - maybe motherhood. however, those were not her children, and they were not even her adopted children. this colours, so to speak, the context. her bared breasts - in this context, are they truly nurturing (because it's highly implausible that she would be lactating), or is it sexual in a subtle way? with the title of the artwork she's trying to place a religious framework around it but is this to diffuse controversy or to challenge it?
she created the artwork over the very real objections of the community from which those children came, likely offending their own religious values. artists who are driven by a particular vision sometimes cause great offence in its execution, but that's the nature of great artists, it's said.
so she wanted to adopt them. why are the innocent children part of her gallery works ? </div></div>
she did not get to adopt them. the children are part of her gallery works because she's an artist. in western values (with very few exceptions), the vision of the artist overrides almost every consideration when executing works.
Which brings us back to wa Gen ask.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">she created the artwork over the very real objections of the community from which those children came, likely offending their own religious values.</div></div>
i see it as nothing more than a study in contrast --> almost like robert mapplethorpe with the very black bull whip inserted in his very white anus make of it what you will
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see it as nothing more than a study in contrast --> almost like robert mapplethorpe with the very black bull whip inserted in his very white anus make of it what you will </div></div>
It`s art....there are no reason why a white woman shouldnt be holding black babies,or vice versa,but things being what they are anyone wishing to make an argument for, or against,then there is enough fodder to stoke the fire.
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