Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

**Stormmey** · 03-21-2009, 10:17 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. I never said I want to date/marry a White man. I couldn't give a <span style="font-weight: bold">HOOT</span> about a man's race as long as he is established, treats me well and we are compatible.
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Tropicana let me say I enjoy your posts, I do not agree with everthing you state but...I get to learn from the sidelines, your comments and the other boardites comments as I don't usually take part or comment in race threads.

Your statement above I am puzzled, see the bolded does this mean that you would date/marry a white male so long as he is established, treats you well and the personalities compatible

Also would you really cut your son off and deny yourself the pleasure of future interaction with your son and possible grandkids if he married a white female. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Also Tropi, Jamaican non-whites are not the only ones to stick to the practice of importing their wives. Back in the day my Mom (she is Swedish) was promised to a Swedish young man (arranged marriage)from she was around six years old. After High school she was sent to Britain to University, the plan was that after University the Swedish young man would come to Canada and they get married.

Guess what!! she met and married a black Jamaican, I am the result of that union. She was given an ultimatum, kick black husband to the curb come back to Canada or we cut you off period. Well she choose the family as life start get ruff (financially) my dad was poor. My grandparents made their money off the backs of Canadians, it did not matter even if she had married a white person of another ethnic background, they wanted her to marry a Swedish person.

Here is the twist to all this, my Grandmother raised me and I think I was not put in a <span style="font-weight: bold">home</span> simply because I do not look black. My granmere had a hatred for black people and aboriginals. For years I carried a hate around for my Mom and Granmere, as a kid I was told to keep out of the sun, my genes predispose me to tanning quickly and I will look black. I can laugh about this now, but we are our environment. Sometimes you just have to let go of certain stuff, I look back and realize my Mom is only nineteen years older than me and for years could not deal with the fact that she ignored me (or so me thought) I now know that I am a constant reminder of my Dad and the love she gave up, mebbe she felt guilty.

Anyway I digress and am waiting on your answer to my questions above. An doan badda come tell me to stick to the topic

btw years later my Mom married Swedish bwoy so granmere did get her wish even tho she ded gone and is she running the family business, I feel if she didn't remarry Swedish they would have disinhereted her. As a sidenote guess who my Granpere remarry an aboriginal lady

**Stormmey** · 03-21-2009, 10:22 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Nobaddie noh sure why ppl choose certain folks for their spouse[s] and nobaddie noh sure why Tropicana start these topics, so before oono pull the noose on either wans, try to UNDERSTAND WHERE THE OTHER GUY IS COMING FROM....try to understand, try to understand,. try to understand an stop drop words on others</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">an duh, mek mi chat mi chat as long as I am not abusing anyboddie...Puhleeze Massa and tenk yuh....</div></div>

britisha!! thank you

**Tropicana** · 03-21-2009, 10:26 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. I never said I want to date/marry a White man. I couldn't give a <span style="font-weight: bold">HOOT</span> about a man's race as long as he is established, treats me well and we are compatible.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tropicana let me say I enjoy your posts, I do not agree with everthing you state but...I get to learn from the sidelines, your comments and the other boardites comments as I don't usually take part or comment in race threads.

Your statement above I am puzzled, see the bolded does this mean that you would date/marry a white male so long as he is established, treats you well and the personalities compatible </div></div>

I have NEVER oppossed interracial dating or marriage (that is blackgiant's stance). I have always licked out against the fact that the playing field is not level for Black women.

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Also would you really cut your son off and deny yourself the pleasure of future interaction with your son and possible grandkids if he married a white female. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face. </div></div>

I never said I wouldn't interact with him. I said I would cut him off FINANCIALLY!! I haven't worked may tail off and put up with so much crap from White folks and rejection from White men to financially support some White woman. No flippin' way.

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Also Tropi, Jamaican non-whites are not the only ones to stick to the practice of importing their wives. Back in the day my Mom (she is Swedish) was promised to a Swedish young man (arranged marriage)from she was around six years old. After High school she was sent to Britain to University, the plan was that after University the Swedish young man would come to Canada and they get married. </div></div>

Yes I know that this is tradition for many first and second generation cultures. It typically doesn't continue for over 100 years after people have migrated though. Strikes me as odd that some "people" have been in Jamaica for over 100, centuries in the case of the Jews, and yet the rate of inter-marriage is still so low. Now the Jews I can more understand because they would typically seek a partner of the same religion. Some of these other groups though, aren't religious so it is strictly racial and, in some cases, financial. Britisha did a good job of explaining that in Jamaica people have traditionally moved in different circles. That helped clarify some of this.

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Guess what!! she met and married a black Jamaican, I am the result of that union. She was given an ultimatum, kick black husband to the curb come back to Canada or we cut you off period. Well she choose the family as life start get ruff (financially) my dad was poor. My grandparents made their money off the backs of Canadians, it did not matter even if she had married a white person of another ethnic background, they wanted her to marry a Swedish person.

Here is the twist to all this, my Grandmother raised me and I think I was not put in a <span style="font-weight: bold">home</span> simply because I do not look black. My granmere had a hatred for black people and aboriginals. For years I carried a hate around for my Mom and Granmere, as a kid I was told to keep out of the sun, <span style="font-weight: bold">my genes predispose me to tanning quickly </span>and I will look black.</div></div>

I love it <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can laugh about this now, but we are our environment. Sometimes you just have to let go of certain stuff, I look back and realize my Mom is only nineteen years older than me and for years could not deal with the fact that she ignored me (or so me thought) I now know that I am a constant reminder of my Dad and the love she gave up, mebbe she felt guilty.

Anyway I digress and am waiting on your answer to my questions above. An doan badda come tell me to stick to the topic </div></div>

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btw years later my Mom married Swedish bwoy so granmere did get her wish even tho she ded gone and is she running the family business, I feel if she didn't remarry Swedish they would have disinhereted her. As a sidenote guess who my Granpere remarry an aboriginal lady </div></div>

**britisha** · 03-21-2009, 10:34 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One thing I didn't point out in the previous post is that not all of these Balck people with Jewish, Lebanese, etc. surnames came about as a result of marriage. So, when I said inter-marriage, this was not entirely accurate.

<span style="font-weight: bold"> Question for Britisha, Dr. Dudd and anyone else who knows about this</span>

We've talked quite a bit about the poor Germans. I have a question about the Lebanese. I do get the fact that 1st generation maybe even 2nd generation, they may go back to the old country to find a wife and the whole arrange marriages and ting. I get that. Some of these families have been in Jamaica over 100 years. Surely they are not still going back to the old country. So, that would not account for the mass shunning of Black women by these affluent non-Black Jamaican men. Based on your observations, what do you think are some of the other factors?
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I don't have the answer to this, and why do you keep saying or talking about "the MASS shunning" as if it is a conspiracy? I don't understand this..

Now, even in North America where there are people from cultures that take marriage seriously to the extent that they will kill and have killed [check the newspapers] their daughters if they marry someone who they disapprove of, it is obvious that the culture is still very much intact after centuries, not 100 years.

That is culture, no matter how negative; and will take years to penetrate and change FOR THE BETTER [from within, not by force from outsiders, unless they want war]...this is why we must try to understand others, why they do things and NOT impose *your values* on them telling them your culture is better than theirs. [like mi si a gwwaan a yaaawd].

**mella72** · 03-21-2009, 10:34 AM

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:<span style="font-size: 20pt">vomit</span>: :<span style="font-size: 20pt">vomit</span>:

**britisha** · 03-21-2009, 10:37 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Nobaddie noh sure why ppl choose certain folks for their spouse[s] and nobaddie noh sure why Tropicana start these topics, so before oono pull the noose on either wans, try to UNDERSTAND WHERE THE OTHER GUY IS COMING FROM....try to understand, try to understand,. try to understand an stop drop words on others</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">an duh, mek mi chat mi chat as long as I am not abusing anyboddie...Puhleeze Massa and tenk yuh....</div></div>

britisha!! thank you </div></div>

Respek Stormey.

Everyone here has so much to offer; if only we take time to hear what the other guy is saying without getting all bent out of shape...especially if their opinion[s] APPEARS not to sync with ours..::LOL::

**Stormmey** · 03-21-2009, 10:54 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

Respect to you everytime too britisha, we can all agree to disagree without the putdowns and disrespect. I don't always comment I stay on the sidelines and observe. What I like about Tropi threads is that it brings out everyone, I learn alot from the contributer and the contributions.

Tropi!! you one powerful Lady on Ja.com. I don't see any other poster that get so much responses from their threads.

btw Tropi thank you for responding to my questions, even though I still feel if you withhold financially from your son if he marries a white person it kinda tie in with you cutting him off even if you interact with him in other ways. Careful though that the <span style="font-weight: bold">forbidden fruit </span>just don't end up looking sweeter to him. For years I would only choose to interact with races that my Granmere utterly despised. Not saying you per se despise whites.

Another question, if you end up marrying a white guy would you relax your stance on your son marrying a white female will check back for your response later as I got home at 4:00am my time is now almost 7:00am my time so going to get some shet yeye.

**LiteBlonde** · 03-21-2009, 11:05 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you have to be a friend to have a friend

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Seveen it look like the geezer put on a few pounds since de top photo and the bottom one,...looks like yu a feed him up good man. </div></div>

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW on the double. That foot bottam is GROSS!!

**Shine_Eye_Girl** · 03-21-2009, 11:06 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tropi!! you one powerful Lady on Ja.com. I don't see any other poster that get so much responses from their threads.
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For all the wrong reasons...yu nuh seet.....

**halfwaytree** · 03-21-2009, 11:11 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Respect to you everytime too britisha, we can all agree to disagree without the putdowns and disrespect. I don't always comment I stay on the sidelines and observe. What I like about Tropi threads is that it brings out everyone, I learn alot from the contributer and the contributions.

Tropi!! you one powerful Lady on Ja.com. I don't see any other poster that get so much responses from their threads.

btw Tropi thank you for responding to my questions, even though I still feel if you withhold financially from your son if he marries a white person it kinda tie in with you cutting him off even if you interact with him in other ways. Careful though that the <span style="font-weight: bold">forbidden fruit </span>just don't end up looking sweeter to him. For years I would only choose to interact with races that my Granmere utterly despised. Not saying you per se despise whites.

Another question, if you end up marrying a white guy would you relax your stance on your son marrying a white female will check back for your response later as I got home at 4:00am my time is now almost 7:00am my time so going to get some shet yeye. </div></div>

I have witnesses a lot of this "you can't marry this one or that one" parental stance before. When the offspring go against their parents wishes and marry "outside" and raise a fine loving family with kids of their own, the whole family looks back (including grandpa and grandma) and <span style="font-style: italic">wonder what the heck the big deal was all about?</span>

We can project our preferences all we want onto our children but in the end all we can hope for is that they marry someone who genuinely LOVES them for who they are and who will add to their life (not subtract), regardless of colour.

**LiteBlonde** · 03-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="font-size: 20pt">JAMAICA, PRE-1972. </span></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

... no one group would rush to be in in another group including through marriage, unless they have ulterior motives.

for a black man and white woman, or white man and black woman to marry, they have to know each other from waaay back, families know each other and some intermingling did a gwaan...no man black nar white naah go to a party or an event and si any woman and juss ask them to date them soh, they have to have something in common...and the woman naaaah goh juss accept date and ting becozz di man rich, since him white....shi might fool roun him fi get some thing valuable but that is it...USE HIM, USE HIM, USE HIM...him use har and she use him.

I agree, Jamaican women weren't interested in white man more than soh...at least professional and successful black women..I don't know why you make that a big deal; for many of us it was and still IS NOT. </div></div>

**Stormmey** · 03-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TLC_Beauty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tropi!! you one powerful Lady on Ja.com. I don't see any other poster that get so much responses from their threads.
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For all the wrong reasons...yu nuh seet..... </div></div>

TLC we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Whatever the reason she still get the responses, personally if I detest someone <span style="font-weight: bold">board persona </span>I just stay out of their threads. Me gone

**Shine_Eye_Girl** · 03-21-2009, 11:15 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TLC_Beauty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tropi!! you one powerful Lady on Ja.com. I don't see any other poster that get so much responses from their threads.
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For all the wrong reasons...yu nuh seet..... </div></div>

TLC we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Whatever the reason she still get the responses, personally if I detest someone <span style="font-weight: bold">board persona </span>I just stay out of their threads. Me gone </div></div>

That's cool

However, the majority says otherwise......

And if we all stayed out, this would no longer be a board.....no troo....

**mella72** · 03-21-2009, 11:26 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

but den di madness jus a continue

**LiteBlonde** · 03-21-2009, 11:42 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TLC_Beauty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tropi!! you one powerful Lady on Ja.com. I don't see any other poster that get so much responses from their threads.
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For all the wrong reasons...yu nuh seet..... </div></div>

TLC we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Whatever the reason she still get the responses, personally if I detest someone <span style="font-weight: bold">board persona </span>I just stay out of their threads. Me gone </div></div>

YOU need to get out from the sideline and participate MORE! So WISE beyond your years. It is a shame that the OLDER ones here are so stubborn, them refuse to learn.

Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

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