Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

**britisha** · 03-21-2009, 11:47 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="font-size: 20pt">JAMAICA, PRE-1972. </span></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

... no one group would rush to be in in another group including through marriage, unless they have ulterior motives.

for a black man and white woman, or white man and black woman to marry, they have to know each other from waaay back, families know each other and some intermingling did a gwaan...no man black nar white naah go to a party or an event and si any woman and juss ask them to date them soh, they have to have something in common...and the woman naaaah goh juss accept date and ting becozz di man rich, since him white....shi might fool roun him fi get some thing valuable but that is it...USE HIM, USE HIM, USE HIM...him use har and she use him.

I agree, Jamaican women weren't interested in white man more than soh...at least professional and successful black women..I don't know why you make that a big deal; for many of us it was and still IS NOT. </div></div> </div></div>

Yes, pre 1972.

In those days when ppl said they were getting married, they were serious; to the extent that if the marriage was called off [usually viewed as the woman getting "JILTED"] it was a big deal. Nobaddie noh even talk bout "jilted" annimore...

I remember when I used to go to church..."the banns of marriage" would be read for weeks on weeks. An announcement that two people were getting married, and basically asking for those who would oppose [like a current wifey or husband to bawl hout and stop the wedding.] so noh RUSH BIZNIZ CUDDN GWAAN.<span style="font-weight: bold">

So ppl nevah juss seh dem a get married to any Tom, Dick, Harry, Jane or Martha</span> for the sake of getting married....yuh git di driff....such a difference from nowadays whey mi noh even hear Banns of Marriage a read innah church no moah.

How times change...*aye sah*, and if the parson/priest thought the couple were "unfit" to be togeddah, no wedd'n naah gwaan eidah at least nat innah fidem church. <span style="font-style: italic">MARRIAGE, A SACRAMENT</span> was not something to be entered into lightly, remember those VOWS.

**britisha** · 03-21-2009, 11:51 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Respect to you everytime too britisha, we can all agree to disagree without the putdowns and disrespect. I don't always comment I stay on the sidelines and observe. What I like about Tropi threads is that it brings out everyone, I learn alot from the contributer and the contributions.

Tropi!! you one powerful Lady on Ja.com. I don't see any other poster that get so much responses from their threads.

btw Tropi thank you for responding to my questions, even though I still feel if you withhold financially from your son if he marries a white person it kinda tie in with you cutting him off even if you interact with him in other ways. Careful though that the <span style="font-weight: bold">forbidden fruit </span>just don't end up looking sweeter to him. For years I would only choose to interact with races that my Granmere utterly despised. Not saying you per se despise whites.

Another question, if you end up marrying a white guy would you relax your stance on your son marrying a white female will check back for your response later as I got home at 4:00am my time is now almost 7:00am my time so going to get some shet yeye. </div></div>

Yuh bin paawting chile?

good questions for Tropicana Stormey, an yes, Tropicana's thread always bring out the <span style="text-decoration: line-through"> good bad and d uglie</span>...sorrie, mi juss cuddn't resist..

**rufian** · 03-21-2009, 11:52 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

The only reason I used to be thinking was if they were cousins. I remember when a distant cousin of mine was getting married to a cousin of hers everybody min expect that on one a dem Sunday when dem a read out de ban, that somebody wouda a say somn.
Nobody ever did cause i guess wedding na easy fe come by, dem till married.

But husband or wife? dat like some movie

**LiteBlonde** · 03-21-2009, 11:55 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="font-size: 20pt">JAMAICA, PRE-1972. </span></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

... no one group would rush to be in in another group including through marriage, unless they have ulterior motives.

for a black man and white woman, or white man and black woman to marry, they have to know each other from waaay back, families know each other and some intermingling did a gwaan...no man black nar white naah go to a party or an event and si any woman and juss ask them to date them soh, they have to have something in common...and the woman naaaah goh juss accept date and ting becozz di man rich, since him white....shi might fool roun him fi get some thing valuable but that is it...USE HIM, USE HIM, USE HIM...him use har and she use him.

I agree, Jamaican women weren't interested in white man more than soh...at least professional and successful black women..I don't know why you make that a big deal; for many of us it was and still IS NOT. </div></div> </div></div>

Yes, pre 1972.

In those days when ppl said they were getting married, they were serious; to the extent that if the marriage was called off [usually viewed as the woman getting "JILTED"] it was a big deal. Nobaddie noh even talk bout "jilted" annimore...

I remember when I used to go to church..."the banns of marriage" would be read for weeks on weeks. An announcement that two people were getting married, and basically asking for those who would oppose [like a current wifey or husband to bawl hout and stop the wedding.] so noh RUSH BIZNIZ CUDDN GWAAN.<span style="font-weight: bold">

So ppl nevah juss seh dem a get married to any Tom, Dick, Harry, Jane or Martha</span> for the sake of getting marriage....yuh git di driff....such a difference from nowadays whey mi noh even hear Banns of Marriage a read innah church no moah.

How times change...*aye sah*, and if the parson/priest thought the couple were "unfit" to be togeddah, no wedd'n naah gwaan eidah at least nat innah fidem church. <span style="font-style: italic">MARRIAGE, A SACRAMENT</span> was not something to be entered into lightly, remember those VOWS. </div></div>

You are exact in your recollection. The reason why me date it is because me didn't want someone to come in here and call you liar, because things have changed so much in Jamaica and they can't relate.

They really need to bring back those customs because I tell you, people use to laugh, sing and dance more and with more feelings, in those days. THOSE were the good ole days.

**LiteBlonde** · 03-21-2009, 11:56 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only reason I used to be thinking was if they were cousins. I remember when a distant cousin of mine was getting married to a cousin of hers everybody min expect that on one a dem Sunday when dem a read out de ban, that somebody wouda a say somn.
Nobody ever did cause i guess wedding na easy fe come by, dem till married.

But husband or wife? dat like some movie </div></div>

Can you just imagine? Lawks!!!

**kia027** · 03-21-2009, 11:58 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes, many were very very very poor and chat bad so til...so di kwestian now is, would *you* [annie ooman here] want to marry one of these POOR WHITE MEN or a poor black man or it noh mattah?? Me? Gimmie di blacker wan.

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No I definitely would not have wanted one a dem.... The first ones I encountered were at the airport. It was my first trip back. We went to the airport to meet my sister who flew down after we did since she was at camp. It was an elderly couple. I must have been about 18 or so. The lady started "Mi naw go a Canada you know...no sah! Mi son deh a Canada. I COLD inna Canada you know." Then she turned to my Dad and started complaining about the loud speaker "Beg you tell de bwoy fe stop shoutin' inna de ting. 'im boddahin' mi ears." I wanted to just </div></div>

When mi seh chat bad, mi noh mean patois yah know...is how dem emphasize wha dem saying and chatting sinting faar farrin from patois.../[cyaanot membah some a dem now].. things like instead of saying *food/nyamings*, they will say "bikkle" and instead of saying "fish" they would say "salting" actually some of them needed interpreters when they came to town [I kid you not} just to understand what they were saying...some a dem all chat up innah dem nose....so be careful wha yuh wish fah yah hear?

Mi alwasys surmise "bikkle" from "victuals </div></div>

mine u step pon sweetssop toe eno!

~run gawn ~

**britisha** · 03-21-2009, 11:58 AM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you have to be a friend to have a friend

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Seveen it look like the geezer put on a few pounds since de top photo and the bottom one,...looks like yu a feed him up good man. </div></div>

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW on the double. That foot bottam is GROSS!! </div></div>

Stop it DotCom; yuh too bad; that is the foot of someone who a frolic innah dirt a yaawd, not like me whey haffie innah 3 pairs a socks and heavy watah boot...

**LiteBlonde** · 03-21-2009, 12:01 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Seveen]you have to be a friend to have a friend

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Seveen it look like the geezer put on a few pounds since de top photo and the bottom one,...looks like yu a feed him up good man. </div></div>

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW on the double. That foot bottam is GROSS!! </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stop it DotCom; yuh too bad; <span style="font-weight: bold">that is the foot of someone who a frolic innah dirt a yaawd,</span> not like me whey haffie innah 3 pairs a socks and heavy watah boot... </div></div>

You almost got me in trouble. Me was about to say, but wait, Me not talking about her foot, but me caught me self, when me look again.

Bwwwwaaaaaaaa!!!

**britisha** · 03-21-2009, 12:03 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="font-size: 20pt">JAMAICA, PRE-1972. </span></span>

Originally posted by britisha

... no one group would rush to be in in another group including through marriage, unless they have ulterior motives.

for a black man and white woman, or white man and black woman to marry, they have to know each other from waaay back, families know each other and some intermingling did a gwaan...no man black nar white naah go to a party or an event and si any woman and juss ask them to date them soh, they have to have something in common...and the woman naaaah goh juss accept date and ting becozz di man rich, since him white....shi might fool roun him fi get some thing valuable but that is it...USE HIM, USE HIM, USE HIM...him use har and she use him.

I agree, Jamaican women weren't interested in white man more than soh...at least professional and successful black women..I don't know why you make that a big deal; for many of us it was and still IS NOT. </div></div> </div></div>

Yes, pre 1972.

In those days when ppl said they were getting married, they were serious; to the extent that if the marriage was called off [usually viewed as the woman getting "JILTED"] it was a big deal. Nobaddie noh even talk bout "jilted" annimore...

I remember when I used to go to church..."the banns of marriage" would be read for weeks on weeks. An announcement that two people were getting married, and basically asking for those who would oppose [like a current wifey or husband to bawl hout and stop the wedding.] so noh RUSH BIZNIZ CUDDN GWAAN.<span style="font-weight: bold">

So ppl nevah juss seh dem a get married to any Tom, Dick, Harry, Jane or Martha</span> for the sake of getting marriage....yuh git di driff....such a difference from nowadays whey mi noh even hear Banns of Marriage a read innah church no moah.

How times change...*aye sah*, and if the parson/priest thought the couple were "unfit" to be togeddah, no wedd'n naah gwaan eidah at least nat innah fidem church. <span style="font-style: italic">MARRIAGE, A SACRAMENT</span> was not something to be entered into lightly, remember those VOWS. </div></div>

You are exact in your recollection. The reason why me date it is because me didn't want someone to come in here and call you liar, because things have changed so much in Jamaica and they can't relate.

They really need to bring back those customs because I tell you, people use to laugh, sing and dance more and with more feelings, in those days. THOSE were the good ole days.

Innit the truth?

When two people were getting "tied" together, sometimes all the whole community come out to watch and throw rice..and even rejoice...it was viewed as such a sacred occasion, and even had cultural meaning to it...what di bride did and what d groom did at the reception...a cultural thing...even at Indian weddings...more reason ppl would want to marry within their CULTURE rather than to an outsider...it was like taboo then, if I can use that word.

**kia027** · 03-21-2009, 12:07 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info you brought on the Syrians and so on. Even though it is obvious.
I was always curious why and when Lebanese and Syrians came into the region but not interested enough to go looking. Needless to say I wouldnt get info from my locality is what i think. I never got to checking for information on other islands although I think it might help.

I used to be in a newsgroup years ago that was researching genealogical information in the Caribbean but I lost the email info with it. Anybody know where there is a list of family names for the Jews of Spanish and Portuguese origins in Jamaica?
I have two family names that I cannot find references for through easy sources. </div></div>

www.sephardim.com ?? I think

**britisha** · 03-21-2009, 12:07 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only reason I used to be thinking was if they were cousins. I remember when a distant cousin of mine was getting married to a cousin of hers everybody min expect that on one a dem Sunday when dem a read out de ban, that somebody wouda a say somn.
Nobody ever did cause i guess wedding na easy fe come by, dem till married.

But husband or wife? dat like some movie </div></div>

Yes Sukie, the occasional cousin to cousin marriage wuddah gwaan tuh, and I presume that would be included in the "Banns" as well ::

Nowadays the bigamists wuddah bi hincluded innah dat. ::

**neutral** · 03-21-2009, 12:11 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Serenity82</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are living in a situation that is making you unhappy.

and us tired of these postings! </div></div>

Actually,not all of "us" are tired of these postings,I dont agree with some of the issues tropicana has,and admittedly I do find some of her reasonings on the racial thing a bit eschewed,however,I will defend her right to post,her topics do generate a debate,and evidently judging by the number of pages, a lot of interest.....blugiant is constantly ranting about certain groups but I dont see many people telling *him* to shut up or berating him.

In any case,I find the whole racial intermarriage/dating thing on this board to be a bit hypocritical anyway,some people`s response to it depends on who is doing the dating,and or who is doing the posting....che !

**Dr.Dudd** · 03-21-2009, 01:06 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sagal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">2. This has nothing to do with a fixation.....In countries like Jamaica in which the majority of people are Black, wealth is concentrated in the hands of the Non-Black population. The primary method for transfer of wealth is through marriage and family.</span></div></div>
Your observation is spot-on, but the questions I ask myself are: Why aren't black people better at creating wealth? And when we do create wealth, why do *we* marry other into other ethnic groups, thereby causing the wealth to ultimately leave black hands? </div></div>

<span style="font-size: 11pt"> That's a good question!!! I would love to know myself </div></div> The answer is that nonwhotes are incontrol of the riles and lawmaking machinery. this is by way of ginancing the politicians in return for laws biased towards making it so easy to get control of any black wealth after one or two generations. M grad father use tio say. the skill it takes to aquire money is not the ones it takes to keep it in the family. blacks can always master the skills to make it, but they are usually prevented from keepong it in the family. It laways return to the non-blacks. </span>

**Dr.Dudd** · 03-21-2009, 01:22 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ceabee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Originally posted by Diabolical_Tanya

Golding, Manley </div></div>

seaga u mean? </div></div>No I meant Beverly Manley and Bruce's wife is also black </div></div>

but neidah Manley nor Golding is white...so is neygah marrying neygah

Sorry michael manley iwasn't really 'neygah'
Hwe of Indian and European ancestry.
Now mr Golding,s father, Tacious Golding, was on th eother hand, probably darker than the average Jamaican.

**ohliz** · 03-21-2009, 01:26 PM

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What woman in her right mind would choose the stress of raising kids on her own over being married to a good provider?</div></div>

Me.

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