Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

[rufian]

Taking this personally, locally and then abroad.

The first language I spoke was my dialect, however I felt that I never got to learn the true meanings of these words because of the context and needless to say nobody walk bout wid a - to English dictionary and I grew up amongst *all black* people. I mean there is not much literacy argument in a dialect anyways and I never heard the American N-word either.

Now since me come pan de board and got into some heated debates on the matter after all, how I learned it, it meant people only for the fact that there was 'black' and 'white' adjectives with it

The good thing is, I asked around back home and found out that it did mean the N-word. Talked to ONE Jamaican at home about my surprise how people on the board reacted to nayga, she responded 'some people dont want to be identified'. I went from to

Wait! A how come nobaddi naa say nothn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but neidah Manley nor Golding is white...so is neygah marrying neygah
</div></div>

Is it taken differently when I use it?
Are there some extra sensitivity because one is presently in an environment or grew up in an environment where it is highly offensive?

And Should these word in the Caribbean become obselete?
Like Neg in the French speaking, negga-, etc in the rest

[jah_yout]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

i think perhaps britisha was being tongue-in-cheek;in this time
nyeaga very rarely used to seriously refer to a person of african descent...although sometimes is uses as a dis-word, when people say 'ole nyeaga'...
obviously comes from that word 'negro' which along with it's brother 'nig---' has probably done more to mash up de people dem mind than other forms of mental slavery...and we accepted these words created by others to define us

[rufian]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

Yes, it is only used in a negative context, but me never really notice black people have anything good fe say bout each other.
Interesting, but if you are saying that it means negro which in other places it does, for example neg.
Then which of these words mean the N-word?
Or it means the N-word when me use it?

[Derek]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

I think you two should get a room.

[rufian]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you two should get a room. </div></div>
You have one fe rent?

[Derek]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you two should get a room. </div></div>
You have one fe rent? </div></div>


Yes.

[rufian]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you two should get a room. </div></div>
You have one fe rent? </div></div>


Yes. </div></div>
i dare ask, and me know me putting some things in jeopardy but.
wa kind a room?

[Derek]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I think you two should get a room. </div></div>
You have one fe rent? </div></div>


Yes. </div></div>
i dare ask, and me know me putting some things in jeopardy but.
wa kind a room?

A bedroom of course - what else would you two need?

[rufian]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

yu see, da mek me ask, sake a jah yout meeda say crazy house

[julie*mango]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

In some variations like nayga, they were not used in a derogatory fashion..it simply means black... however, should you call someone an ole nayga that means that the person lacks ambition and has nothign to do with the person's race...but of course in JA wid a 90 odd percent black population then 9 out of 10 times you will be calling a black person that...

with regards to these words becoming obsolete? i don't think so. they do not carry a racist overture IMO such as the american version n___r.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Taking this personally, locally and then abroad.

The first language I spoke was my dialect, however I felt that I never got to learn the true meanings of these words because of the context and needless to say nobody walk bout wid a - to English dictionary and I grew up amongst *all black* people. I mean there is not much literacy argument in a dialect anyways and I never heard the American N-word either.

Now since me come pan de board and got into some heated debates on the matter after all, how I learned it, it meant people only for the fact that there was 'black' and 'white' adjectives with it

The good thing is, I asked around back home and found out that it did mean the N-word. Talked to ONE Jamaican at home about my surprise how people on the board reacted to nayga, she responded 'some people dont want to be identified'. I went from to

Wait! A how come nobaddi naa say nothn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but neidah Manley nor Golding is white...so is neygah marrying neygah
</div></div>

Is it taken differently when I use it?
Are there some extra sensitivity because one is presently in an environment or grew up in an environment where it is highly offensive?

And Should these word in the Caribbean become obselete?
Like Neg in the French speaking, negga-, etc in the rest </div></div>

[britisha]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<span style="font-weight: bold">Good pickup</span> Sukie, mi waiting for someone to duh the &quot;mullatto&quot; thingy....those words today are not politically correct, but sometimes I use them to make my point..

I think Skelley has a handle on what the word means a yaawd, and the differences in connotation...if someone refers to me as a &quot;Neygah or naygah ooman&quot; I cannot be offended, for that is the truth, *I* am regarded as &quot;black&quot; by definition...If dem call mi &quot;OLE NEYGAH&quot; fight agguh bruk...

At the same time, if a Caucasian refers to me by either name, I wouldn't take kindly to it...a juss soh it set wid mi..they are the ones who started this name calling BS to reinforce their vicious racism...so go figgah..

Now, fi donkie years the Manleys and even Bustamante were literally worshiped by Jamaican blacks because of how they looked, [figget bout the politricks of it] ppl thinking seh dem &quot;white&quot; and therefore deserve adoration..when in truth and in fact dem juss as black and even blacker dan some a wi.

[britisha]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think perhaps britisha was being tongue-in-cheek;in this time
nyeaga very rarely used to seriously refer to a person of african descent...although sometimes is uses as a dis-word, when people say 'ole nyeaga'...
obviously comes from that word 'negro' which along with it's brother 'nig---' has probably done more to mash up de people dem mind than other forms of mental slavery...and we accepted these words created by others to define us </div></div>


So true, and so sad.

[rufian]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

I found what you wrote harmless that is why I brought this up. I had to reduce it our of my vocabulary on here because some were taking offense to it because they said that it meant N.
Until this day, I am not convinced that is the meaning unless we believe automatically that a black person is a N. Which makes me wonder why and who would react a certain way to it or would put that meaning on it.

Now for the mulatto thing well they seem to be replacing it with mixed race which doesn't makes much sense. So I think in the end they will refrain from classifying people and just call them person

[rufian]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In some variations like nayga, they were not used in a derogatory fashion..it simply means black... however, should you call someone an ole nayga that means that the person lacks ambition and has nothign to do with the person's race...but of course in JA wid a 90 odd percent black population then 9 out of 10 times you will be calling a black person that...

with regards to these words becoming obsolete? i don't think so. they do not carry a racist overture IMO such as the american version n___r.
</div></div>
Thank you. So wa mek me nafu say nayga again?

[britisha]

Re: Caribbean N-words, neg,negga, nayga, nyaga etc, etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found what you wrote harmless that is why I brought this up. I had to reduce it our of my vocabulary on here because some were taking offense to it because they said that it meant N.
Until this day, I am not convinced that is the meaning unless we believe automatically that a black person is a N. Which makes me wonder why and who would react a certain way to it or would put that meaning on it.

Now for the mulatto thing well they seem to be replacing it with mixed race which doesn't makes much sense. So I think in the end they will refrain from classifying people and just call them person </div></div>

You raise a good point, and I say this to say this...many have been called on the carpet for making statements that others find insulting or derogotary, even in harmless skits.

If you ask me, It all boils down to connotation and the INTENT of the speaker when he/she makes such statements or comments like &quot;msungu&quot;.

It is so awful now that people have to be explaining themselves for every little word or verbal slip...but you know what? It is at the same time all well and good, for it raises our awareness to other people's sensitivities an mek ppl know seh hiff dem seh certain tings to some peeps they can be cruising for a beatdown.,